Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

Spook_ie

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

In January, Barnier said that the EU is willing to reopen talks if May dropped some of her red lines. Article

Listen to the words 2 weeks later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTtOZt_2EOg

Are Yaxley-Lennon's crowd going to kick off tonight?

prawnsambo

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

The Loyalist flute band on the leave march today are from Scotland and it looks like Wetherspoons sorted them out for expenses. Their founding member was on Question Time on four different ocassions over the years asking questions and posing as a 'random member of the public', he is a failed UKIP candidate

https://twitter.com/YesDayScotland/status/1111692110296682496

This guy was there and a self described brexiter. Didn't like it he says.

A Dub in Glasgo

Deleted User wrote: »

Are Yaxley-Lennon's crowd going to kick off tonight?

Probable

https://twitter.com/georginafstubbs/status/1111715367615901701

volchitsa

One of the Leave protesters, a woman, interviewed on BBC news tonight was obviously Irish.
Fking eejit. :mad:

boggerman1

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Probable

https://twitter.com/georginafstubbs/status/1111715367615901701

What has been unleashed by brexit will be hard to put back into the box

Laois_Man

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Until there is a general election in which case the confidence and supply agreement ends for this current parliament they unfortunately do have power which they don't really deserve to have and it's only by political naivety from Theresa May when she really shouldn't have been naive.

Once the WA agreement is over the line, Theresa May is gone - so she doesn't have to give a hoot about throwing the DUP under a bus to get it!

Mr.Nice Guy

The DUP letting the ERG know if they're thrown under a bus, they may throw Brexit under their flute band. You couldn't write a script this good.

It looks to me like the prospects of a hard or no-deal Brexit are now vanishing. The indicative votes showed the appetite is more towards a customs union or a second referendum. The question is can May come up with some way of getting Brexiteers to realise her deal is as hard as it's going to get, or are the Tories hoping a general election will help them realign the numbers.

My sense is we're looking at a longer extension due to another general election but I've no idea what new mess that will throw up. I don't think that will alter the dynamic much at all.

boggerman1 wrote:

What has been unleashed by brexit will be hard to put back into the box

Agreed. Someone was telling me a few days back that revoking Article 50 without a mandate to do so would be no big deal on the basis that Farage's march had few people on it. As I said at the time that little parade was the tip of the iceberg. There's a very nasty, sinister underbelly on the far right that are just waiting for a good excuse to kick off. If even a tiny percentage of that 17.4 million are willing to go beyond purely democratic methods they can do enormous damage.

I really think the UK is on its last legs at this point. There is no quick fix solution and every possible pathway is fraught with danger and negative consequences.

The Scots would be mad to choose this version of the UK over the EU on a second referendum. Same goes for NI in the inevitable border poll down the line.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/03/humbling-britain

"The Humbling of Britain"

A very nicely put together account of the whole sordid affair

briany

SNIP.

Strazdas

The WitchKing of Angmar wrote: »

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/03/humbling-britain

"The Humbling of Britain"

A very nicely put together account of the whole sordid affair

Brilliant article. The cast of villains on the Brexit side is huge. The country couldn't be undergoing such a calamity, not without a significant swathe of their public figures, media and population going rogue.

An Ciarraioch

SNP saying they voted against the CU on Wednesday because it didn't offer the Single Market, but I would be amazed if they didn't either vote for it on Monday, or support Common Market 2.0:

http://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1111646559693877250

Itssoeasy

The WitchKing of Angmar wrote: »

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/03/humbling-britain

"The Humbling of Britain"

A very nicely put together account of the whole sordid affair

I read that last night. It’s a very good summing up of an utterly mental time period.

20silkcut

Strazdas wrote: »

Brilliant article. The cast of villains on the Brexit side is huge. The country couldn't be undergoing such a calamity, not without a significant swathe of their public figures, media and population going rogue.

Did some of them think the brexit vote was indicative of a sea change in public opinion and a shift to populism??

An Ciarraioch

20silkcut wrote: »

Did some of them think the brexit vote was indicative of a sea change in public opinion and a shift to populism??

That was probably the least of their errors, given events in Spain, Holland and Italy recently, but the British political system tends to draw parties back to the centre eventually, even if they can go off the rails for up to a decade at times.

Strazdas

20silkcut wrote: »

Did some of them think the brexit vote was indicative of a sea change in public opinion and a shift to populism??

Many probably thought a vote to leave could somehow transform Britain into a utopia, almost overnight. Fintan O'Toole makes the interesting point that Brexit was doomed from the outset as it was trying to solve a "problem" (EU membership) that didn't even exist - it was impossible there ever could have been a tangible benefit to it, as they were doing just fine in the EU.

It would be akin to a team sacking their manager who is winning every match for them and convincing themselves they could do even better without him.

The shift to right wing populism would probably have happened anyway, even if the UK wasn't an EU member.

https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1111734072408199168?s=20


And how many arrests at the much bigger march a few days ago?

Sam Russell

Deleted User wrote: »

https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1111734072408199168?s=20


And how many arrests at the much bigger march a few days ago?

There was one arest - the red brexit bus!

joe40

The WitchKing of Angmar wrote: »

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/03/humbling-britain

"The Humbling of Britain"

A very nicely put together account of the whole sordid affair

You're right that article sums up the Brexit mess nicely.
I like the way it acknowledges how the British press constantly pushed the narrative of the EU as an homogenous other, controlling Britain while in reality Britain was a strong influential part of the EU.
Hopefully there are enough good people in Britain to get over this mess, but it is a mess of epic proportions.

Franz Von Peppercorn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1111734072408199168?s=20


And how many arrests at the much bigger march a few days ago?

It’s still pretty minor stuff.

Any deal to stay in the CU or Norway+ (which aren’t really Brexit) need to be put to a referendum for legitimacy.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Apparently Jon Snow said it was the whitest group of people he ever saw.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It’s still pretty minor stuff.

Any deal to stay in the CU or Norway+ (which aren’t really Brexit) need to be put to a referendum for legitimacy.

Pretty minor stuff, but it is disgusting to a few leavers on Twitter.

It's like a shock to them that there's some bad apples that support the Leave campaign

syngindub

Each party just wants their cake and eat it..it aint possible

Leroy42

A CU won't solve the backstop, or would it?

Frank Bullitt

Imagine the scenes if Brexit was cancelled or A50 revoked? They are bad when its only delayed!

Now is the time B day should have happened, but it hasn't.

The next 14 days will be very interesting, it is really not possible predict what will happen

FrancieBrady

Gintonious wrote: »

Imagine the scenes if Brexit was cancelled or A50 revoked? They are bad when its only delayed!

I think the pro-Brexit marches show that the pro Brexit crowd aren't that bothered tbh. Vocal on social media and on camera, but when it comes to making a physical effort...hmmmm.

road_high

So this was the big amazing day they’ve been ****eing on about for two plus years. Turns out it’s a damp squib and they still remain. Business in the U.K. must be at their whits end, especially any depending on Eu trade.

road_high

Pure nutcases on that march, English football thuggery leftovers

Water John

CU won't solve the Border completely, I think that needs some parts of SM as well.