Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

seamus

Tell me how wrote: »

BBC, SKY both have covered this. I think Sky broke it, and BBC had a piece on it this morning.

I wouldn't necessarily hold Corbyn up as a beacon for advancing the cause of the left at this point given his outright resistance to a peoples vote.

Sure, but nevertheless there is a popular perception of him as a crusty socialist desperate to nationalise everything and demolish big business.

Tbh, I expect any explanation behind the video is relatively innocent, it's just the optics that are appalling.

A handful of braindead squaddies having a laugh rather than some deep and meaningful political statement.

Falls into the, "I can't believe they were dumb enough to film themselves doing this" category, a category which is expanding by the minute.

Still though, coupled with the international joke that is now Westminster, this video just serves to create suspicion that the rot is expanding across the public services.

Sardonicat

SNIP.

robinph

Another resignation:

https://twitter.com/chhcalling/status/1113456229232381953

Although it was the person in charge of making sure the disaster scenario wasn't too disastrous so no real loss.

charlie14

An Claidheamh wrote: »

The shocking disrespect aimed at Corbyn, considering he's doing them a favour- I don't mean disagreement with his politics or beliefs - but hatred directed at him from the British hard right - shows there are two Britain's batting it out.

Furthermore, this has appeared on the Internet.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/04/03/world/europe/uk-soldiers-jeremy-corbyn-shooting-range.amp.html

BBC were slow to report it.

British army spokesperson : "This behavior is totally unacceptable and falls well below the high standards the army expects"

British army standards.....


It's like Russia or some dictatorship where the army backs the far right politicians.

It being the third parachute regiment, by past British army standards had they being firing live rounds at Corbyn, rather than paint balls at his image there would be no investigation.

10000maniacs

Hurrache wrote: »

Look at this bull****.
https://twitter.com/DamianGreen/status/1113394935686946817

A "whos who" of truth botherers, charlatans and liars. And Michael Fabricant.

Shelga

Haha, Eddie Mair on LBC is currently having a phone in on people who are obsessed with Brexit, while simultaneously being completely sick of it. I think a few of us on here could contribute

Robert McGrath

MrMusician18 wrote: »

They didn't try to derail the train. They put a cable between the rails to trick the signalling system into thinking that there was a train in the block, essentially leaving the "traffic light" stuck on red. The protesters wanted to cause delays.

I believe that the line that this protest was attempted on uses an upgraded signalling system and detected the interference on the line with minimal disruption.

And apparently that upgraded signalling system was necessary due to EU safety standards, which is just a delicious irony

AdamD

robinph wrote: »

Another resignation:

https://twitter.com/chhcalling/status/1113456229232381953

Although it was the person in charge of making sure the disaster scenario wasn't too disastrous so no real loss.

These resignations are all bizarre. What are we missing here? Why do so many MPs want no-deal Brexit? Its a shocking outcome

An Ciarraioch

Dead heat, reportedly, on Benn amendment.

Professor Moriarty

AdamD wrote: »

These resignations are all bizarre. What are we missing here? Why do so many MPs want no-deal Brexit? Its a shocking outcome

Because they represent constituencies that voted strongly for Leave. Or they're deluded. Or both.

marno21

AdamD wrote: »

These resignations are all bizarre. What are we missing here? Why do so many MPs want no-deal Brexit? Its a shocking outcome

Liam Fox told them Britannia will rule the waves of global trade after he has negotiated all these wonderful trade deals with the world and global Britain will be the envy of the post-EU world.

On a serious note, it's difficult to understand. These people are the most informed of any MPs and while the likes of Fox are expected to hold this view, seeing remainers like Javid going down this road is daft.

Schnitzler Hiyori Geta

What is going on? This is almost comedic at this stage and if it is a tie, what do they do?

woohoo!!!

A sight to behold. The Irish are fine once they know their place. There's a large section of society over there who feel this way. The inherent superiority complex.

A deal has to side line these sorts and I rate the chances at 20% cos this move is so late in the day. It's as if it's designed to fail and blame Corbyn. Outraged Brexiteers are playing their role very well.

Harry Palmr

The Ties have it!

Schnitzler Hiyori Geta

Bercow breaks tie for no.

An Ciarraioch

Schnitzler Hiyori Geta wrote: »

What is going on? This is almost comedic at this stage and if it is a tie, what do they do?

If it was the Dáil, Ceann Comhairle would vote with the Government, and it would be rejected - based on the original Westminster rule, I believe.

Schnitzler Hiyori Geta

So no more indicative votes and no more meaningful votes, so...

Purgative

AdamD wrote: »

These resignations are all bizarre. What are we missing here? Why do so many MPs want no-deal Brexit? Its a shocking outcome

I don't get it either.


But then I never really understood what was so bad with the back stop. Once you have the GFA there's no alternative - to my mind at least.


And I don't understand what Cox is going on about either.


I'm a remainer, aside from purely selfish - Brit citizen living in RoI very happily until 2016 - I really do think the UK is better off in. All this guff about soveriegnty - you do what the next big guy (Russia, China, USA) tells you to or you lose your lunch money.


Sorry just a rant

Hurrache

So it looks like it's down to May and Corbyn.

A Dub in Glasgo

Robert McGrath wrote: »

And apparently that upgraded signalling system was necessary due to EU safety standards, which is just a delicious irony

It would be if it was true but it is not

Itssoeasy

If a vote summed things up then this one is it.

Schnitzler Hiyori Geta

This vote for the extension will now pass I'm sure, and the EU will be left with no option but to say "no" unless May and Corbyn can come to an agreement (IMO) by close of play on Friday.

BonnieSituation

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

If it was the Dáil, Ceann Comhairle would vote with the Government, and it would be rejected - based on the original Westminster rule, I believe.

Precedence states that any vote to be carried should have a majority of the house so the Speaker, as is right, casts a vote to keep the "status quo" as it were.

volchitsa

robinph wrote: »

Another resignation:

https://twitter.com/chhcalling/status/1113456229232381953

Although it was the person in charge of making sure the disaster scenario wasn't too disastrous so no real loss.

So that means the Tories are just one more resignation away from losing their majority, even with the DUP, amirite?

Imreoir2

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Precedence states that any vote to be carried should have a majority of the house so the Speaker, as is right, casts a vote to keep the "status quo" as it were.

Can I assume that we will be hearing a string of FG ministers blame SF for this, dispite this particuar vote going one way or the other not being all that important in any case?

gooch2k9

volchitsa wrote: »

So that means the Tories are just one more resignation away from losing their majority, even with the DUP, amirite?

No, he only resigned as minister. He'll now be a backbench Conservative.

Imreoir2

volchitsa wrote: »

So that means the Tories are just one more resignation away from losing their majority, even with the DUP, amirite?

No, he has resigned from his position, not from the party. He is still a conservative MP, just a backbench one now.

BonnieSituation

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Can I assume that we will be hearing a string of FG ministers blame SF for this, dispite this particuar vote going one way or the other not being all that important in any case?

Unlikely, but you'll definitely hear the usuals on here having their daily SF moan when they get home from work.

Imreoir2

Can someone outline what the nature of the current vote is? What is the motion now?

Schnitzler Hiyori Geta

312 to 311 approving a debate on the Cooper Bill. Shocking.