Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

An Ciarraioch

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Can someone outline what the nature of the current vote is? What is the motion now?

Whether or not the actual Cooper motion to override no deal is debated in the House, and later voted upon.

Schnitzler Hiyori Geta

I don't think May has any choice now but to agree to a confirmatory vote, it's either that or she'll have to ask for a very long extension and take part in MEP elections.

Spanish Eyes

Hi, just wondered if some kind soul could summarise today's events. Am out and about, long day, and cannot figure out what's happening. (If anything!).

ShooterSF

This bill seems absurd. The PM wants a short extension to pass her deal. If this bill passes they can force her to go to the EU and ask for a long extension but the EU has already said a solid plan needs to be in place and how can it grant an extension knowing not only is no plan in place but the person coming asking for it doesn't even want it. How can they expect a plan to form from that.

Edit even the guardian (rather anti-brexit) is calling this a dangerous distraction

10000maniacs

Schnitzler Hiyori Geta wrote: »

312 to 311 approving a debate on the Cooper Bill. Shocking.

Bercow had no choice. A draw is always a rejection.

Enzokk

10000maniacs wrote: »

Bercow had no choice. A draw is always a rejection.

He is already being accused of being a Remainer and plotting against Brexit, can you imagine if he voted yes. As with previous decisions he explained his reasons and it seems reasonable even if you don't want to agree with it.

An Ciarraioch

Gavan Reilly says the last tie in the Dáil was in January 2017.

Horsebox9000

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Unlikely, but you'll definitely hear the usuals on here having their daily SF moan when they get home from work.

Empahsis on the home from work part.

Unlike the average SF voter...

Hurrache

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Gavan Reilly says the last tie in the Dáil was in January 2017.

I think it may have happened twice here in reasonably quick succession.

MikeSoys

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An Ciarraioch

Writ to be laid for European elections next week:

http://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1113502892361703431

An Ciarraioch

Higher margin for Cooper on second reading than first (315-310), suggests it'll pass later.

prawnsambo

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Writ to be laid for European elections next week:

http://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1113502892361703431

This is pathetic. It causes a massive headache for the EU because of seat allocations. As it is, around 50 seats have been dropped and now they have to reinstate them again?

ShooterSF

https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1113502434507333632

No demand for a confirmatory vote from the head of the opposition in negotiating a compromise.

Joe_ Public

ShooterSF wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1113502434507333632

No demand for a confirmatory vote from the head of the opposition in negotiating a compromise.

He says he raised it as an issue so it wasn't ignored, but certainly nowhere near a "demand" which, anyway, might just have stopped the talks dead in their tracks so not sure he can win either way in this scenario.

Capt'n Midnight

MadYaker wrote: »

It's just a ploy so she can blame a no deal brexit on the labour party. When you realise that she values the survival of the tory party above all else then her moves start to make a bit more sense.

Crobyn had said permanent customs union and preserving workers rights.

The first is a red line on rule taking. The second is a red line for any true Tory.

So I can't see a compromise. Maybe for a GE but that's not going to be done in the next 11 days.



But the thing that also stands out, or rather doesn't , is the Lib Dems.
They too appear to be split by Brexit. Some of the recent votes had only 5 voting and they've missed key Brexit votes before. Say what you want about the DUP , they are a voting bloc.

All three of the big historic English parties have problems getting their MP's to vote on party lines.

Frank Bullitt

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1113508546015055877

MadYaker

The U.K is still massivley divided on brexit as a whole and parliament can't help but reflect that. If you look at opinion polls or even read comments on various social media they all want something different. Some want a hard brexit, some want a soft brexit, some want no brexit at all.

L1011

prawnsambo wrote: »

This is pathetic. It causes a massive headache for the EU because of seat allocations. As it is, around 50 seats have been dropped and now they have to reinstate them again?

The reallocated seats will still be voted for but the recipient (so the last MEP elected in Dublin and South) will be furloughed until the UK does leave, if ever.

Spanish Eyes

L1011 wrote: »

The reallocated seats will still be voted for but the recipient (so the last MEP elected in Dublin and South) will be furloughed until the UK does leave, if ever.

Command and control from the UK again. It is just unreal.

marno21

MadYaker wrote: »

The U.K is still massivley divided on brexit as a whole and parliament can't help but reflect that. If you look at opinion polls or even read comments on various social media they all want something different. Some want a hard brexit, some want a soft brexit, some want no brexit at all.

The only specific option that commands a majority is remain. If people knew the actual ins and outs of the other options, the majority would likely be even more remain.

I would argue the majority of people supporting "no deal" are unaware of the ramifications of such an endeavour.

prawnsambo

marno21 wrote: »

I would argue the majority of people supporting "no deal" are unaware of the ramifications of such an endeavour.

Some do. But most just don't want to know. They just want to collect their 'prize'.

MadYaker

I've been reading a few Facebook groups for supporters of various brexiteers, Mogg, Johnson etc and the oddest thing I've seen so far is that none of the people in these groups seem to be able to explain why they want to leave the E.U and why they hate the E.U so much. Are their lives such a misery now that brexit is somehow goiing to make things better? How could you want something so badly but not have reasons why?

Sam Russell

L1011 wrote: »

The reallocated seats will still be voted for but the recipient (so the last MEP elected in Dublin and South) will be furloughed until the UK does leave, if ever.

It is not as simple as that.

If there are three seats, hen the quota is 25% of the valid poll, while it is 20% for four seats. So a different quota will affect the counting, and possibly the third and fourth seats. There would have to be two separate counts, one for three seats and one four four seats.

Obviosly, this is a nightmare.

Laois_Man

MadYaker wrote: »

I've been reading a few Facebook groups for supporters of various brexiteers, Mogg, Johnson etc and the oddest thing I've seen so far is that none of the people in these groups seem to be able to explain why they want to leave the E.U and why they hate the E.U so much. Are their lives such a misery now that brexit is somehow goiing to make things better? How could you want something so badly but not have reasons why?

I was on the BBC website yesterday - looking at the comments secion where one user begged another to specify one, just one benefit of Brexit. His/her reply.....the huge opportunities presented by a Trade deal with the likes of Japan and the EU :eek:

road_high

MadYaker wrote: »

I've been reading a few Facebook groups for supporters of various brexiteers, Mogg, Johnson etc and the oddest thing I've seen so far is that none of the people in these groups seem to be able to explain why they want to leave the E.U and why they hate the E.U so much. Are their lives such a misery now that brexit is somehow goiing to make things better? How could you want something so badly but not have reasons why?

It’s basically an anti European ethnic distaste. They hate the French and Germans with a passion and most of these are still
reliving WW1 and 2 in their daily lives.
Yet they drive German and French car, guzzle french wine, holiday in Benidorm and the Canaries! None of Brexit is based on any rationality so it’s pointless looking for ones

road_high

Read in the Indo there Juncker isn’t going to allow yet another extension- is this true?

prawnsambo

Sam Russell wrote: »

It is not as simple as that.

If there are three seats, hen the quota is 25% of the valid poll, while it is 20% for four seats. So a different quota will affect the counting, and possibly the third and fourth seats. There would have to be two separate counts, one for three seats and one four four seats.

Obviosly, this is a nightmare.

I think what he's saying is that the seats are all voted for, but the last one that's allocated is put on furlough. So if it's a four seater (up from three), the four are voted on and allocated, but number four puts their feet up until the brits leave.

Sam Russell

road_high wrote: »

It’s basically an anti European ethnic distaste. They hate the French and Germans with a passion and most of these are still
reliving WW1 and 2 in their daily lives.
Yet they drive German and French car, guzzle french wine, holiday in Benidorm and the Canaries! None of Brexit is based on any rationality so it’s pointless looking for ones

Wel, at least when they hoiday in the Canaries, they aare outside the EU. They probably do not realise it though.

road_high

Sam Russell wrote: »

Wel, at least when they hoiday in the Canaries, they aare outside the EU. They probably do not realise it though.

Didnt realize that one myself! I knew it had different arrangements from mainland Spain didn’t know it’s outside