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Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

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    #6512
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    I think what he's saying is that the seats are all voted for, but the last one that's allocated is put on furlough. So if it's a four seater (up from three), the four are voted on and allocated, but number four puts their feet up until the brits leave.

    If the Brits leave. There is a difference, and it shoud be checked, because the third and fourth seats could change order, and possibly the fifth place might be further up the list.

    Multiseat STV is complicated to count.


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    #6513
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    Wel, at least when they hoiday in the Canaries, they aare outside the EU. They probably do not realise it though.

    Are they? It's still EU I think, they are only exempt from VAT?


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    #6514
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    Laois_Man wrote: »
    I was on the BBC website yesterday - looking at the comments secion where one user begged another to specify one, just one benefit of Brexit. His/her reply.....the huge opportunities presented by a Trade deal with the likes of Japan and the EU :eek:

    Surely a joke?


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    #6515
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    road_high wrote: »
    Read in the Indo there Juncker isn’t going to allow yet another extension- is this true?

    He is not going to allow a short extension unless the deal is passed. If the deal is not passed by the 12th, then the only possible extension is a long extension if the UK can propose a workable plan to justify receiving such an extension.


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    #6516
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    Wel, at least when they hoiday in the Canaries, they aare outside the EU. They probably do not realise it though.
    road_high wrote: »
    Didnt realize that one myself! I knew it had different arrangements from mainland Spain didn’t know it’s outside
    strandroad wrote: »
    Are they? It's still EU I think, they are only exempt from VAT?

    They are inside the EU - my mistake. I thought because Duty Free was available, I was under the impression they were outside the EU. Sorry for the miss information.

    I thought it was like the Isle of Man.


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    #6517
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,415 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    A Soft Brexit might be the best all round. WA + CU + part SM, whether the battle for a Ref is worth it, not really. It would be this type of Deal against No Brexit.
    IWT that Deal would get a majority.
    Corbyn was saying that TM must accept TM Deal is dead. Though I think that means the alt above so changes the WA that it no longer reflects TM's aspiration. It becomes a LB Deal.
    TM can take the WA as is V 2nd Ref
    or the Alt Deal above with no 2nd Ref.
    Both get a majority in HOC.


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    #6518
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,782 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    If the Brits leave. There is a difference, and it shoud be checked, because the third and fourth seats could change order, and possibly the fifth place might be further up the list.

    Multiseat STV is complicated to count.

    What has been said is that we count as 4/5 regardless and just furlough the last - they're going to be the holder of that seat should it get reinstated anyway.

    The scenarios where the higher up seats change substantively are rare enough and could really only result from a disasterous vote split by a party with too many candidates - and it'd look particularly ridiculous to have to remove a sitting MEP to replace them as well as add the furloughed one in.


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    #6519
    Mr.Wemmick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭Mr.Wemmick


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    Surely a joke?

    A dumb joke. In Ireland you never quite get how watered down the UK education system is and how misinformed and insular people can be. Follow that with the daily feeding of anger and belligerence by the tory rags. Prince Harry's Mrs must be delighted by Brexit, she has a respite from all the hate.

    Recently the daily flap had stories about rich homeless beggars earning a great salary on the streets. Pure sh!te.. 'tis no wonder we are where we are.


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    #6520
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,067 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    road_high wrote: »
    Read in the Indo there Juncker isn’t going to allow yet another extension- is this true?

    We have told you before about reading the Indo. No point in using that as a reference point and then asking us for clarification or affirmation.


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    #6521
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,415 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    RTE and SKY are the two good sources, rest are crap.


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    #6522
    MikeSoys
    Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭MikeSoys


    Water John wrote: »
    RTE and SKY are the two good sources, rest are crap.
    what about the guardian...?


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    #6523
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users Posts: 4,902 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    road_high wrote: »
    Read in the Indo there Juncker isn’t going to allow yet another extension- is this true?

    Presume he is giving Commission view on it.
    The UK are out of the EU end of next week unless agreement is passed regardless of all the shenanigans and procedural theatrics that goes on in the UK parliament.

    It is up to the heads of state (Council of Ministers) to come to a decision to change this to "something else" (a new extension of some type pending request from UK PM??) before the 12th the prevent that as far as I understand.


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    #6524
    Headshot
    Registered Users Posts: 54,288 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Channel 4?


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    #6525
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    So Juncker said today there will be no further short extension. The WA will be ratified by the 12th or they're out.
    Why is everyone acting so normal? Parliament and media and everyone acting as if the UK had all those options?
    What am I missing?


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    #6526
    Mr.Wemmick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭Mr.Wemmick


    MikeSoys wrote: »
    what about the guardian...?

    Yeah, but sometimes it's all wooly cardigans and soft slippers. They play it safe and talk to themselves far too much in their opinion pieces. Again the same problem of not holding people to account or being rigorous with the facts.

    The FT is a better paper.


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    #6527
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,067 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Mr.Wemmick wrote: »
    A dumb joke. In Ireland you never quite get how watered down the UK education system is and how misinformed and insular people can be. Follow that with the daily feeding of anger and belligerence by the tory rags. Prince Harry's Mrs must be delighted by Brexit, she has a respite from all the hate.

    Recently the daily flap had stories about rich homeless beggars earning a great salary on the streets. Pure sh!te.. 'tis no wonder we are where we are.

    Well we always had a fair idea with the haphazard consideration of geography and knowledge of anything outside the mainland.

    And if we didn't before now, we do now!


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    #6528
    Shelga
    Registered Users Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Shelga


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    So Juncker said today there will be no further short extension. The WA will be ratified by the 12th or they're out.
    Why is everyone acting so normal? Parliament and media and everyone acting as if the UK had all those options?
    What am I missing?

    I was thinking that too. No Deal seems to have vanished off the table again.

    I think it’s because Theresa May decided to talk to Jeremy Corbyn. As usual internal UK media and political news outlets are acting like they are in charge of their own fate, when that stopped being the case the second they triggered article 50.


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    #6529
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,410 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    We have told you before about reading the Indo. No point in using that as a reference point and then asking us for clarification or affirmation.

    Be the first to agree it’s absolute toilet paper and had recently taken an extremely anti Irish govt viewpoint lately by continually scaremongering and the EU supposedly about to sell us out every day.
    I tebd to use it as a reference out of historical default, I should read the Times instead


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    #6530
    BobbyBobberson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭BobbyBobberson


    https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1113535648688951296

    Bit of honesty from Nick Boles.


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    #6531
    theguzman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    May has played a blinder, she has lured Corbyn in knowing a crashout on April 12th is happening. The blame game can then begin, May will resign and Borris will be PM, a Snap Election and Labour in dissaray and the Tories think they will walk it in again, which they will if they honour and deliver a real true Hard Brexit. Corbyn is willing to go along as he himself is anti-EU and wants to get into power so he can go about with his programmes of Nationalisation and Socialist Agenda. Both sides think they will win, however the spot price of gold and markets are hedging for the hardest of hard Brexits. A crash out is going to happen, patriots will be happy that the Empire has enough again defeated the Gerrys.


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    #6532
    BobbyBobberson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭BobbyBobberson


    Important to point out Gibb is a former editor of Daily Politics and Sunday Politics too.


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    #6533
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,415 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Good to see the outing of a Machievellan.


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    #6534
    [Deleted User]
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    It's such a soap opera

    https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1113535648688951296?s=09


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    #6535
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,410 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    theguzman wrote: »
    May has played a blinder, she has lured Corbyn in knowing a crashout on April 12th is happening. The blame game can then begin, May will resign and Borris will be PM, a Snap Election and Labour in dissaray and the Tories think they will walk it in again, which they will if they honour and deliver a real true Hard Brexit. Corbyn is willing to go along as he himself is anti-EU and wants to get into power so he can go about with his programmes of Nationalisation and Socialist Agenda. Both sides think they will win, however the spot price of gold and markets are hedging for the hardest of hard Brexits. A crash out is going to happen, patriots will be happy that the Empire has enough again defeated the Gerrys.

    Defeated the Gerrys by cutting off your markets to them....there’s Brexit logic in all its glory


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    #6536
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Water John wrote: »
    RTE and SKY are the two good sources, rest are crap.

    Channel 4 have been excellent


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    #6537
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users Posts: 4,902 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Shelga wrote: »
    I think it’s because Theresa May decided to talk to Jeremy Corbyn. As usual internal UK media and political news outlets are acting like they are in charge of their own fate, when that stopped being the case the second they triggered article 50.

    It's ridiculous. It is much too late now. Maybe Theresa May should have gone to the parliament & Corbyn to ask "what will we do about this Brexit thing?" straight after her bad result in that snap general election.


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    #6538
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    BobbyBobberson wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1113535648688951296

    Bit of honesty from Nick Boles.

    Hmmm. I admire Boles in many ways but there's something unsavoury about that.


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    #6539
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Hmmm. I admire Boles in many ways but there's something unsavoury about that.

    It's a national emergency. No point pulling your punches or being polite now


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    #6540
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    It's a national emergency. No point pulling your punches or being polite now

    True. But it paints him as that little bit less honourable.


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    #6541
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,415 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    When you'll hear Laurs spouting something at 10 on BBC, you now know where it's coming from and the angle.
    This is an unelected stooge seeking to pursue his personal agenda over the one of the person he's supposed to be working for. If he disagrees with her, he resigns his job. That's where the honour question lies.


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