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Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

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    #6542
    BobbyBobberson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭BobbyBobberson


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Hmmm. I admire Boles in many ways but there's something unsavoury about that.

    I do get what you mean but I would have Gibb, his actions and a hard Brexit as more unsavoury than Boles blowing the whistle on him.


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    #6543
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    True. But it paints him as that little bit less honourable.

    What Britain needs now is whistleblowers - the right kind of whistleblowers mind you.


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    #6544
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    True. But it paints him as that little bit less honourable.
    Still expecting except honor amongst thieves at this stage?

    I'm not sure if I should admire your continued faith in your fellow man or be worried about your naivety ;)


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    #6545
    Infini
    Registered Users Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    True. But it paints him as that little bit less honourable.

    To be honest the current conservative's have no honor to begin with they're infested with idiot's and kipper infiltrators. Were basically 9 day's away from a potential car crash situation brought on purely by arrogant delusional gobshíte's who are seemingly intent on getting their jollies from causing as much needless misery for as many people as possible purely for their own selfish interest. At least he had the decency to first try and make a workable solution and then quit publically and for perfectly reasonable and understandable reasons. Can't blame him either for cutting out the discretion at this stage and so close to a needless national disaster and saying the truth.


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    #6546
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    BobbyBobberson wrote: »
    I do get what you mean but I would have Gibb, his actions and a hard Brexit as more unsavoury than Boles blowing the whistle on him.

    Well, it's Boles's opinion, to which he's entitled. However, as an employee, Gibb won't get the same limelight as Boles and probably won't even be asked for his opinion on Boles's comment. It is quite possibly is true that he is a Brexiteer trying to frustrate the talks. But we'll probably never hear his side of the story - we just have Boles's opinion on one of May's employees who may well have trusted Boles and spoken confidentially with him.


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    #6547
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    MPs are debating a bill that would require the PM to seek an extension to Article 50 But Tories may filibuster it.
    Eleanor Laing - the chair of the proceedings - suggests that "the way things are going" MPs will not get to third reading tonight (that is complete its House of Commons stage) because "the committee stage is likely to take the whole of the time available".

    She says that if people limit themselves to short speeches, it will be possible for all stages of the bill to be completed.

    However Conservative MP Bill Cash is reluctant to limit his contribution.

    "This bill has been rushed through," he says, adding "it is not only an abomination in its own right, it is gravely unconstitutional."

    "I am not going to fail to make the points that need to be made," he says.


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    #6548
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,931 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Well, it's Boles's opinion, to which he's entitled. However, as an employee, Gibb won't get the same limelight as Boles and probably won't even be asked for his opinion on Boles's comment. It is quite possibly is true that he is a Brexiteer trying to frustrate the talks. But we'll probably never hear his side of the story - we just have Boles's opinion on one of May's employees who may well have trusted Boles and spoken confidentially with him.

    Sorry but that's a bit naive.

    Have you been on here the last three years ?

    I expect more people to stop pulling punches tbh. We wouldn't be in the mess if they had. All this nonsense of honour and other rubbish has given us brexit.


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    #6549
    Infini
    Registered Users Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    listermint wrote: »
    Sorry but that's a bit naive.

    Have you been on here the last three years ?

    I expect more people to stop pulling punches tbh. We wouldn't be in the mess if they had. All this nonsense of honour and other rubbish has given us brexit.

    Agreed. Honor is not something given by a title it's earned through actions and respect for others. Many of those like Mogg's and most certainly Boris are anything but honorable they are literal snakes and subversives who are there purely and entirely for THEIR own benefit. The other problem is allowing those spewing utter bullshít and lies to go unchallenged and that's only made the situation worse. Everyone is entitle to their opinion but when they start pushing causes without any FACTUAL backup or worse start pushing outright lies and untruths to get their way for no benefit but to themselves they're a liability.


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    #6550
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Still expecting except honor amongst thieves at this stage?

    I'm not sure if I should admire your continued faith in your fellow man or be worried about your naivety ;)

    Naive isn't a word those who know me would use to describe me. One can but hope for decent politicians. When you see the hypocritical liars like Jacob, Boris, Francois & Co, you look for some decency to counteract them. Of course politics is a dirty game, but not all politicians across the House are unprincipled. Such is my regard for Boles, a man who has stood up against the Brexiteers while going through cancer treatment, I expected better from him.


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    #6551
    Irish Praetorian
    Registered Users Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's such a soap opera

    https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1113535648688951296?s=09

    Pity, I loved his work as one of the Bee Gees.


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    #6552
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,215 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's such a soap opera

    https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1113535648688951296?s=09

    It's the best! Way better than House of Cards or any of them.


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    #6553
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Amendment 21 to the Noes.

    Eustice amendment.


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    #6554
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Cooper's bill shot down.


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    #6555
    MikeSoys
    Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭MikeSoys


    Mr.Wemmick wrote: »
    MikeSoys wrote: »
    what about the guardian...?

    Yeah, but sometimes it's all wooly cardigans and soft slippers. They play it safe and talk to themselves far too much in their opinion pieces. Again the same problem of not holding people to account or being rigorous with the facts.

    The FT is a better paper.
    ft is good alright ..pitty website subscription keeps popping up !


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    #6556
    MikeSoys
    Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭MikeSoys


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Cooper's bill shot down.
    looking at putting decision on EU.. to accept a long delay...


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    #6557
    Thargor
    Registered Users Posts: 17,935 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Everything is a no, they're not going to be able to reach consensus on anything, if it looks like they are coming to a consensus on anything the government will probably collapse. This is true not just for the current negotiations but even if by some miracle they do agree something then the real negotiations will just be worse, they're completely screwed...


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    #6558
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    MikeSoys wrote: »
    looking at putting decision on EU.. to accept a long delay...

    The choices are gone now. The May-Corbyn talks won't work. There will be no binding indicative votes. The WA won't pass. It's crash out or a long extension.


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    #6559
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,415 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    No the Cooper Bill survives, Eustice amendment defeated.


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    #6560
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Water John wrote: »
    No the Cooper Bill survives, Eustice amendment defeated.

    That's what I thought too.


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    #6561
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Cooper's bill shot down.

    The Guardian just made a serious mistake. This from their live feed:

    I just made an error: the vote hasn’t failed, an amendment by the former minister George Eustice was just defeated by 304 ayes to 313 noes.

    The amendment would have prevented the government from being forced to hold a vote if the European Council proposes an extension date different than that requested by parliament.

    Profuse apologies. The previous post has been delete

    Ignore my bit of news. For now.


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    #6562
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    22nd of May extension limit , defeated by 220 to 400


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    #6563
    Rain Ascending
    Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭Rain Ascending


    Water John wrote: »
    No the Cooper Bill survives, Eustice amendment defeated.


    I see that we are all following the Guardian's Politics Live feed. :D


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    #6564
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,838 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Goodness, such an unwieldy system, could they not vote on all these amendments at once? Ken Clarke has even given up with the in and out.


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    #6565
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Goodness, such an unwieldy system, could they not vote on all these amendments at once? Ken Clarke has even given up with the in and out.

    The British political system is being exposed as utterly unsuitable for a modern country.


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    #6566
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,805 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    If my maths is correct (allowing 15 minutes for voting on every amendment), the result of the Cooper bill would only be known at about half twelve.


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    #6567
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Have Sky News given up on covering Brexit?

    They've been excellent the last few weeks but it's ultra weird they are not even covering tonights votes?


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    #6568
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Is there anywhere I can find a list of amendments and votes so far tonight?


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    #6569
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    The British political system is being exposed as utterly unsuitable for a modern country.
    Perfectly suited to a country that's rapidly reversing into the middle of the twentieth century.


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    #6570
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,805 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    devnull wrote: »
    Is there anywhere I can find a list of amendments and votes so far tonight?

    Parly on Twitter is excellent:

    http://twitter.com/ParlyApp


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    #6571
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Perfectly suited to a country that's rapidly reversing into the middle of the twentieth century.

    Guided by procedures from the 19th century.


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