Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

kuro68k

I wonder when the People's Vote campaign intends to submit their motion. Running out of time now. Maybe as an amendment to the bill to delay brexit?

Inquitus

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Big hate campaign against Bercow in the British press tomorrow. The Sun and Telegraph leading the way.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs/the_papers

ancapailldorcha

They've called MP's traitors and Judges "Enemies of the people". Can't say that this comes as a shock.

Professor Moriarty

kuro68k wrote: »

I wonder when the People's Vote campaign intends to submit their motion. Running out of time now. Maybe as an amendment to the bill to delay brexit?

There was the Kyle Wilson amendment which, if passed, would mean that if the WA passed then there would have to be a referendum with the WA on the ballot. No reason why this amendment can't still be put forward if there is a WA3 vote. But this idea may be already redundant given the state of flux.

Hurrache

Not sure how many saw Liam Fox's tweet yesterday heralding great news on Brexit,
https://twitter.com/LiamFox/status/1107720401512206336

Well it turns out he was not quite so forthcoming with the details.

https://twitter.com/stigeidi/status/1107742222739558407
https://twitter.com/stigeidi/status/1107775152593534984

Professor Moriarty

Hurrache wrote: »

Not sure how many saw Liam Fox's tweet yesterday heralding great news on Brexit,
https://twitter.com/LiamFox/status/1107720401512206336

Well it turns out he was not quite so forthcoming with the details.

https://twitter.com/stigeidi/status/1107742222739558407

He's lying or he's incompetent. Or both.

josip

"..This is on top of the agreement we’ve signed with Liechtenstein.."


What is the value of trade with the tax haven of Liechtenstein?
I assume it's mainly financial services?

Hurrache

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

He's lying or he's incompetent. Or both.

I tuned into James O'Brien just after I posted that and it looks like they also enquired about it to his department. I think the response was that they need to get more information from the trade team involved. Brexitshambles.

Joe_ Public

That’s the big challenge for social media, isn’t it? How can it become a space where people in responsible positions can’t just see it as a place they can load with any old guff or blatant falsehoods without any consequences whatsoever. Beyond shame some of these people.

Igotadose

josip wrote: »

"..This is on top of the agreement we’ve signed with Liechtenstein.."


What is the value of trade with the tax haven of Liechtenstein?
I assume it's mainly financial services?

What, no agreement yet with the Duchy of Fenwick?!

Hurrache

German ministers at any moment about to come under pressure from their car manufacturers. As entertaining, but exasperating, as we're finding it, the frustration and annoyance must be boiling over in private in the EU.

https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/1107932459059027969

Joe_ Public

Hurrache wrote: »

German ministers at any moment about to come under pressure from their car manufacturers. As entertaining, but exasperating, as we're finding it, the frustration and annoyance must be boiling over in private in the EU.

https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/1107932459059027969

Feel his pain but aren’t those tweets sweet music to hard brexiteer ears?

Hurrache

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Feel his pain but aren’t those tweets sweet music to hard brexiteer ears?

I don't think so. He points correctly to everything been in the UKs hands, and the clock that's ticking is the clock that they themselves started, they're up against their own deadline.

lawred2

Hurrache wrote: »

German ministers at any moment about to come under pressure from their car manufacturers. As entertaining, but exasperating, as we're finding it, the frustration and annoyance must be boiling over in private in the EU.

https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/1107932459059027969

I presume you're reading between the lines there

Joe_ Public

Hurrache wrote: »

I don't think so. He points correctly to everything been in the UKs hands, and the clock that's ticking is the clock that they themselves started, they're up against their own deadline.

He says german gov priority is to prevent no deal brexit so does suggest they can somehow be proactive in that aim. That may be over interpreting it, but if I’m a brexiteer reading that, I know I’m saying, look they’re wavering, we’ve got to make sure we keep no deal live right to the last minute. Maximum leverage!!![/quote]

Seth Brundle

Bercow was doorstepped by the BBC on his way to work and handled it perfectly...

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1107937994051223555

Leroy42

So we can add the speaker to the institutions that need to be got rid off as part of Brexit.

So we have GFA, the Lords, the Judiciary, any MP not voting the way the people want, the civil service, experts, the Irish, the Europeans, committees and now the speaker. (I am missing many from that list but off the top of my head cannot think of them at the moment).

Junkyard Tom

The BBC acting like some blowhard radio show host. How far they done fell.

ancapailldorcha

As an aside, I think that it's a wonderful thing that people like Bercow and MP's are so accessible to the British public. It'd be tragic if they started having to have armed security escorts for their own safety.

Sparko

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The BBC acting like some blowhard radio show host. How far they done fell.

I'm actually surprised they uploaded that themselves, total gutter press material.

Dyr

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The BBC acting like some blowhard radio show host. How far they done fell.

They didn't fall that far, People never noticed the BBCs lack of impartiality until their paymasters went off the reservation and took them along for the ride.

Itssoeasy

I did see a headline somewhere claiming that John Bercow has derailed brexit. That implies it was going so well up until yesterday when it's clear it hasn't been. Brexit has been the equivalent of a derailed train trying to keep moving and all that happened yesterday was that the locomotive derailed and fell over. Some(and it is some, it's not all people or politicians) in the UK have some really strange opinions of themselves and of their place in the world.

Laois_Man

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Bercow was doorstepped by the BBC on his way to work and handled it perfectly...

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1107937994051223555

Why does the "impartial" BBC keep saying it is a precedent from 1604?

It's not - it is a rule CREATED in 1604 - The precedence occurred 12 times, the latest in 1920 and hasn't been invoked since because, and as a subtle dig to the present government, Barcow yesterday noted that pretty much that every Governments since 1920 have been competent and this one isn't effectively! He also emphasized that the public bill office has often disallowed Bills even since 1920

Furthermore, he referenced the rule as it was presented in the 24th edition of Erskine May which was published only in 2011

Bercow also pointed out yesterday that on March 13th, he hinted that this ruling will be made if it was required at some point in the future. The fact that they didn't pay heed isn't being highlighted either!

Hurrache

lawred2 wrote: »

I presume you're reading between the lines there

It's an ongoing joke since some in the UK said it at the outset of negotiations.

PropJoe10

Leroy42 wrote: »

So we can add the speaker to the institutions that need to be got rid off as part of Brexit.

So we have GFA, the Lords, the Judiciary, any MP not voting the way the people want, the civil service, experts, the Irish, the Europeans, committees and now the speaker. (I am missing many from that list but off the top of my head cannot think of them at the moment).

Why do you feel that the speaker needs to be gotten rid of, just out of interest?

lawred2

Hurrache wrote: »

It's an ongoing joke since some in the UK said it at the outset of negotiations.

ah ok - failed to detect the sarcasm

ancapailldorcha

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Why do you feel that the speaker needs to be gotten rid of, just out of interest?

I think he's speaking for the Brexiters.

Professor Moriarty

Just a simple example of how the Telegraph spins a hard Brexit. Here's the screaming headline:

No deal is better than Brexit delay, say voters – exclusive Telegraph poll

So more people want a hard deal than an extension. Okay, got that.


Then the first two paragraphs, which are very clear:

Nearly half of the British public is confident that the UK will ultimately thrive if it leaves the EU without a deal, according to a new poll.

The exclusive ComRes survey for The Daily Telegraph found that 46 per cent of adults think leaving without a deal would “briefly cause some uncertainty but ultimately work out OK”, compared with 40 per cent who support extending Article 50.

So leaving with no deal be fine compared to an extension. Seems legit.


But then, if you scroll down, there is this paragraph:

Three in 10 adults (30 per cent) think leaving the EU without a deal on March 29 will be the best possible outcome, according to the poll, compared with more than two in five who disagree (43 per cent).

So, in actual fact, only 30% of people would have no deal on March 29th has their preferred option. I'm sure the Telegraph didn't mean to muddy the waters.

PropJoe10

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I think he's speaking for the Brexiters.

Ah, that was lost on me. Haven't had much sleep

Bercow handled that great. Especially when he pointed out what a nice bobble hat one of them was wearing.

Joe_ Public

I see where a highest employment rate has been recorded in uk since the records began. Cue Boris and his merry chums using this as a boost for brexit again and having to be reminded, once again, that all this has been achieved while IN the EU.