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mrcheez

fenris wrote: »

I have the Anker cable, works grand, just remember to enable the PC link on the Oculus settings!
Mostly using VR Desktop wirelessly these days, the missing piece for me was to setup a dedicated 5ghz hotspot from my laptop with the Quest as the only client, nice and simple with a powerline adaptor going back to the router for internet.

What latency are you getting on that? I found my powerline adaptors were shooting up around the 30ms+ mark in Virtual Desktop when looking at the streamer app through the headset

Glebee

mrcheez wrote: »

yeah the Anker one

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Anker-PowerLine-Durability-Devices-Including/dp/B01M5GMZ6X/

or they have a longer version afaik

Thats the one im using, going to mess around with developer mode to see can I get it working. From what I remember it was not just a tab switch, they asked me to register or something.. Its asking me to become a developer- Goto Ocul.us/start creating to register. When I go there its on about creating an organization which they then approve.

fenris

Around 7 to 9ms
Powerline adaptor for the internet / house network connection, direct wifi between the Quest and the laptop so the Quest <-> laptop traffic does not have to cross the powerline adaptor at all
Configuring the dedicated 5Ghz hotspot on Windows10 was a complete pain in the hole, as there was a W10 bug at the time (September) to do with powersaving that kept knocking out the wifi hotspot bridge mode after a few minutes while a wired network connection was active, despite the correct settings being in place on screen. Apparently it is fixed now as part of the regular windows updates.

mrcheez

Glebee wrote: »

Thats the one im using, going to mess around with developer mode to see can I get it working. From what I remember it was not just a tab switch, they asked me to register or something.. Its asking me to become a developer- Goto Ocul.us/start creating to register. When I go there its on about creating an organization which they then approve.

I had to create a new organisation for my Quest 2 when using the Facebook account.

That's what you need to do now in order to get all the Sidequest loveliness, so definitely worth it.

To me, Brutal Doom in VR is the single greatest thing on the Quest 2... pure bliss especially when you hold guns with both hands for full immersion.

mrcheez

fenris wrote: »

Around 7 to 9ms

7 - 9ms latency? Pics or GTFO

The usual good latency for Virtual Desktop is around 18-23ms... you sure it says 7-9ms when you look at the VD Streamer app?

mrcheez

Heads up that today is last day to grab Doom 3 on Steam for the discount price.

Doom 3 VR is due to be released on Sidequest in a week or two

Note that the BFG version will not work, has to be the original

Glebee

Thanks folks, think im sorted. Developer mode setting seems to have done the trick. Quest working from PC via cable and wirelessly on Virtual Desktop.

Can't wait to get my own. Due 14th

fenris

No, that is the latency from a ping, normally stabilised about 7 to 9ms unless I am right beside the laptop.
Just checked VD streamer, that is more like 18 - 22ms

Dropped nicely when I got Bitdefender to stop interfering, until I put in a rule I was having connection problems

mrcheez

fenris wrote: »

Just checked VD streamer, that is more like 18 - 22ms

Cool, I was getting around 30-40ms running network through powerline adapters, but direct Cat 7 cable connection run down the stairs brought it down to 18.

Thankfully resolved it all now though with the new router and can keep everything upstairs, but play downstairs at the 18-22ms range.

Dr Bob

Anyone have a problem with the microphone randomly not working over link? mine will sometimes work , but more often than not just shows volume is at 50% but doesn't pick anything up . (PC /oculus are all set to use the virtual oculus headset as default device)as far as I can see its a known issue with link.

Glebee

Glebee wrote: »

Thanks folks, think im sorted. Developer mode setting seems to have done the trick. Quest working from PC via cable and wirelessly on Virtual Desktop.

Still think I have issues. Something just not right. Seems I can only connect to Steam VR through Virtual Desktop instead of directly when I plug in cable. Game performance not great over virtual desktop. If I connect headset to PC direct with cable should performance be good. PC is not great but has passed all graphics tests..

Richard tea

Glebee wrote: »

Still think I have issues. Something just not right. Seems I can only connect to Steam VR through Virtual Desktop instead of directly when I plug in cable. Game performance not great over virtual desktop. If I connect headset to PC direct with cable should performance be good. PC is not great but has passed all graphics tests..

Got mine sorted this evening. I had to roll back the update on my and Radeon rx480. Anything above 20.11.1 causes issues.

mrcheez

Glebee wrote: »

Game performance not great over virtual desktop.

What's your setup with Virtual Desktop?

If you can, list every item in the chain...

e.g. PC -> Cat 7 cable -> Router (5GHz) ...wifi... Quest 2

Glebee

Richard tea wrote: »

Got mine sorted this evening. I had to roll back the update on my and Radeon rx480. Anything above 20.11.1 causes issues.

Ill try that, i have an rx480.

Glebee

Richard tea wrote: »

Got mine sorted this evening. I had to roll back the update on my and Radeon rx480. Anything above 20.11.1 causes issues.

That seems to have worked. Thanks. Defo something wrong with my 3.0 usb ports so will have to make do with 2.0 ports when on link. Although when im plugged into the 3.0 port my headset detects it and says connected to 3.0. Strange. How brilliant is the opening intro scene of "I expect you to die"??

Glebee

Glebee wrote: »

Still think I have issues. Something just not right. Seems I can only connect to Steam VR through Virtual Desktop instead of directly when I plug in cable. Game performance not great over virtual desktop. If I connect headset to PC direct with cable should performance be good. PC is not great but has passed all graphics tests..

Have you develop set in oculus also?

Glebee

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you develop set in oculus also?

Yes, have that done. Think im getting places now though.

mdwexford

Downloaded The Thrill of The Fight earlier.

It is quite the workout to say the least!!
Very enjoyable so far though.

druss

mdwexford wrote: »

Downloaded The Thrill of The Fight earlier.

It is quite the workout to say the least!!
Very enjoyable so far though.

Downloaded that, FitXR and Creed as my quasi fitness games.

Creed is probably more graphically polished, but I'm preferring Thrill of The Fight. I'm still just on three round fights. Not sure that I'm prepared to go for a longer fight!

mdwexford

druss wrote: »

Downloaded that, FitXR and Creed as my quasi fitness games.

Creed is probably more graphically polished, but I'm preferring Thrill of The Fight. I'm still just on three round fights. Not sure that I'm prepared to go for a longer fight!

Yeah I just did a couple of three round fights and I was sweating.
Can’t imagine what a twelve rounder is like!!

Is FitXR good?
Tempted to give it a go.

druss

mdwexford wrote: »

Yeah I just did a couple of three round fights and I was sweating.
Can’t imagine what a twelve rounder is like!!

Is FitXR good?
Tempted to give it a go.

I'm still working my way into FitXR. I haven't (and may never!) try a dance workout on it, unless I'm sure that the house is completely abandoned. So it's mainly boxing stuff I've been trying in FitXR too.

I've done a few classes, varying from 10 to 20 minutes in duration. It does require more squats, lunges and variations in movement when compared to the full-on boxing titles. That's to be expected, but is a positive.

I started by throwing punches as I would do in the fighting games and that hasn't worked, when I tried it on even medium difficulty. To hit targets, I've found I have to punch much faster and in a more slappy motion. Not sure if I'm doing it right. There is a balance to be struck and I'm lucky to finish half way up my virtual class.

Still seems a worthy purchase though.

mrcheez

druss wrote: »

Downloaded that, FitXR and Creed as my quasi fitness games.

Creed is probably more graphically polished, but I'm preferring Thrill of The Fight. I'm still just on three round fights. Not sure that I'm prepared to go for a longer fight!

Thrill of the Fight actually makes me flinch when I get punched, it's that effective.

Great workout in the garden if you sweat like a pig :pac:

RonnieL

I stumbled into echo VR the other night. I'm still new to the whole oculus thing, but it seemed like a very polished game considering it's free. I only got to play one actual match, and was on the receiving end of a pasting, but I can imagine it would be good if you were competitive.

mrcheez

RonnieL wrote: »

I stumbled into echo VR the other night. I'm still new to the whole oculus thing, but it seemed like a very polished game considering it's free. I only got to play one actual match, and was on the receiving end of a pasting, but I can imagine it would be good if you were competitive.

Yeah it's a spin-off of Lone Echo (which I've just started playing).

They created this whole movement system which is highly immersive and I can imagine they were thinking it would be completely wasted if it was only used in the paid game, so why not extend it to be used in a free game which more people will get exposure to (can also be used as free advertising for Lone Echo!)

mrcheez

ok so Star Wars Squadrons is legit incredible with Quest 2 and Virtual Desktop.

I don't have a HOTAS, rather I was using an Xbox One S controller but in a way this is better as it's Bluetooth and I can sit down in my couch and "be" in the X-Wing, and no wires attached.

It was like one of those ads you see where the guy is sitting in his room, then puts on the headset and is suddenly transported to another universe without having to move a muscle. Fantastic stuff.

Glebee

Games ran in my Virtual Desktop setup are running very poorly. Im getting massive latency which is killing me. Any suggestions how to get this down. My router( standard F2000 Eir router) is in an upstairs room and I have a few TP Link sockets areound the house to extend wifi and provide sockets for main PC. Oculus preforms great by its self when apps are loaded directly onto it and im connected to wifi.

mrcheez

Glebee wrote: »

Games ran in my Virtual Desktop setup are running very poorly. Im getting massive latency which is killing me. Any suggestions how to get this down. My router( standard F2000 Eir router) is in an upstairs room and I have a few TP Link sockets areound the house to extend wifi and provide sockets for main PC. Oculus preforms great by its self when apps are loaded directly onto it and im connected to wifi.

Are you on the 5GHz wifi network?

In most cases the router would need to be a couple of metres at most from where you are playing.
In my case the router I have is shooting the signal through the floor (antennae pointing down through floor) but it's probably max 2-3 metres from me in a straight line.

Also make sure your router is plugged directly into the computer. This is key.
I use a Cat7 cable to ensure max bandwidth.

Try out the suggestions in this video as it's what I used: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm4kbHeXGrg

I was getting 14ms latency last night but if you get between 18-22ms you're golden.

Glebee

mrcheez wrote: »

Are you on the 5GHz wifi network?

In most cases the router would need to be a couple of metres at most from where you are playing.
In my case the router I have is shooting the signal through the floor (antennae pointing down through floor) but it's probably max 2-3 metres from me in a straight line.

Also make sure your router is plugged directly into the computer. This is key.
I use a Cat7 cable to ensure max bandwidth.

Try out the suggestions in this video as it's what I used: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm4kbHeXGrg

I was getting 14ms latency last night but if you get between 18-22ms you're golden.

Cheers for that, ill mess around with it. I can connect to 5Ghz alright. Connecting PC direct to router might be my problem and will be an issue if I have to connect directly. Currently PC is connected to wall socket which in turn connects to router. It give me good speed and pings though.

mrcheez

Glebee wrote: »

Cheers for that, ill mess around with it. I can connect to 5Ghz alright. Connecting PC direct to router might be my problem and will be an issue if I have to connect directly. Currently PC is connected to wall socket which in turn connects to router. It give me good speed and pings though.

fenris said he was getting good rates using Powerline Adaptors but when I used my own to connect to the router the latency was up around 30+ and was severely jumping about the place.

My home network is all Powerline Adaptors and normally I have no issues with any other hardware.

I did a test by purchasing a 10m CAT 7 cable which I used to connect my computer direct to the 5Ghz router. The latency dropped to 18ms and I played the hell out of Half Life Alyx (with a bloody huge cable running down the stairs all month).

Then I came up with the 3rd option which was to add another router to the mix which solved all the issues...

1. PC connects to new 2nd router (using the Cat 7 cable)
2. 2nd router connects to powerline adaptor (using standard ethernet cable)
3. Powerline adaptor connects to old 1st router downstairs

I then connect the Quest 2 to the 2nd router, rather than the 1st router.

The fact that the computer and 2nd router are connected directly rather than through the powerline lowers the latency to the 14-18ms I'm getting now.


This is the router I got:

https://www.currys.ie/ieen/computing-accessories/networking/network-routers-and-switches/routers/asus-rt-ax56u-wifi-cable-fibre-router-ax-1800-dual-band-10206054-pdt.html

It's actually the cheapest price these have been for a while, so worth possibly investing as it is also WiFi6 and more futureproof.

mrcheez

Just to be sure... you can see the "latency" value when you are looking at the Streamer app on your desktop through Virtual Desktop in your headset

see the bottom left numbers in the image below (this is one I grabbed off the web)



You want to get that value down to around 20ms

Glebee

Thanks for all the help lads, my latency is currently at 172

mrcheez

Glebee wrote: »

Thanks for all the help lads, my latency is currently at 172

ok I'd say it might be the router. Try temporarily connecting the PC direct if you can. Your ISP might also provide a faster router for free. Pain I know If it's still bad when your PC is plugged in then you'd know for sure.

mrcheez

Doom 3 out now (all run from the headset, doesn't require connected PC)

https://www.doom3quest.com/

Make sure you have the original Doom 3 installed on Steam (not the BFG edition)

copperspock

mrcheez wrote: »

Doom 3 out now (all run from the headset, doesn't require connected PC)

https://www.doom3quest.com/

Make sure you have the original Doom 3 installed on Steam (not the BFG edition)

The cheapest at the moment is €1.28 on Voidu

https://gg.deals/game/doom-3/

fenris

mrcheez wrote: »

fenris said he was getting good rates using Powerline Adaptors but when I used my own to connect to the router the latency was up around 30+ and was severely jumping about the place.

My setup is for Virtual Desktop is:

Router <- Powerline -> Laptop <- 5ghz Hotspot running on laptop-> Quest (quest is the only device on the hotspot)

I get a ping of between 2 and 9 ms between the laptop and the Quest depending on proximity, so that is lowest possible latency on the connection, then you have the overhead from the VR desktop protocol running across that connection which in my case gives a VR Desktop streamer reported latency best case of about 18ms and an average of about 25ms, moving further away from the laptop sees that rise dramatically (I suspect that there is a very low tolerance for errored / late packets with VR Desktop and that it slows right down before trying to rebuild speed to a stable level again), so the performance takes a nose dive rather than a smooth slowing, it is a two way process taking your movement info back then returning the updated screen info, so you can double the impact of disruption compared to simple video streaming.

So in my case I am minimising the amount of hops that the VR Desktop protocol has to traverse by keeping it to a single hop.
Every hop will add latency as there is processing involved even with the most basic forwarding, processing takes time, not a lot but it adds up and is often doubled as there is a there and back element.

It may be worth pinging your router and Quest to see what the base level of latency is, it should be really low as in a couple of ms for powerline / wired connections (although dirty electrical devices can impact powerline adaptors in the same way that cheap microwave ovens/ video senders can hammer wifi), if it is high then you need to sort that before doing any heavy lifting across those connections, otherwise you are driving your Ferarri along a dirt track.

mrcheez

fenris wrote: »

Router <- Powerline -> Laptop <- 5ghz Hotspot running on laptop-> Quest (quest is the only device on the hotspot)

ah right, I thought your setup was

Router <- Powerline -> Laptop

Router -> Quest


That's the setup I had and was pretty woeful. Good to hear the hotspot method works well from the laptop!

Mickeroo

My set up is:
PC----<powerline adapters>---bog standard vodafone Router

---

<5Ghz wifi>----Quest

Never any issues the few times I've used it, have probably used the cable more though.

fenris

mrcheez wrote: »

Good to hear the hotspot method works well from the laptop!

It can be a bit of a pain to setup initially, as the bridging from the wired connection to a hotspot was bugged in Windows10 last autumn but is apparently fixed now, you could connect but not get assigned an IP address, I sorted it after finding a solution online (nothing to do with DHCP/ fixed addresses as you would think) and am not going to mess with it for the time being!
The other possible problem area is your AV/Firewall being a bit smartarse/pro-active and blocking the connection based on behaviour, I had that last week and just had to put a rule in place to tell it to leave the hotspot alone, really simple once you know where to look.

mrcheez

mrcheez wrote: »

Doom 3 out now (all run from the headset, doesn't require connected PC)

https://www.doom3quest.com/

Make sure you have the original Doom 3 installed on Steam (not the BFG edition)

fyi, the version they shipped has somewhat downgraded graphics from what are supposed to be on display, so an update will be coming along in a few days with all the correct config settings

https://www.reddit.com/r/OculusQuest/comments/kvgsdy/massively_improved_textures_for_doom_3_without/


I'm personally gonna hold off on playing this for a few weeks until all the kinks are ironed out, and going to press on with my huge haul of VR games I got in the last 2 months

Richard tea

Ive ordered a wifi6 router and cat 7 cable. I report back with figures as soon as possible. https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-Wifi-AX1500-Smart-Router/dp/B07ZSDR49S

brav

Richard tea wrote: »

Ive ordered a wifi6 router and cat 7 cable. I report back with figures as soon as possible. https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-Wifi-AX1500-Smart-Router/dp/B07ZSDR49S

Just an FYI for future people, Cat5e is plenty for home use and much easier to work with, if you can get cat6 for same price then work away, cat7 is beyond over kill and you will get same result on all types.
Cat5e can do gigabit speed easy. Cat 6 handy if you plan on upgrading to 10gigabit in the future, cat7 is pointless, unless for some odd reason you get it at same price, but even then it’s harder to work with so no point.

Dr Bob

mrcheez wrote: »

fyi, the version they shipped has somewhat downgraded graphics from what are supposed to be on display, so an update will be coming along in a few days with all the correct config settings

https://www.reddit.com/r/OculusQuest/comments/kvgsdy/massively_improved_textures_for_doom_3_without/


I'm personally gonna hold off on playing this for a few weeks until all the kinks are ironed out, and going to press on with my huge haul of VR games I got in the last 2 months

Even as is its bloody great , better than the BFG fully possessed VR version from a few years ago.

mrcheez

brav wrote: »

but even then it’s harder to work with so no point.

Weird, what do you mean "harder to work with"? You mean the cable is thicker?


Also for those who want to see their latency in VR while using Virtual Desktop, I found under the "Streaming" option in the Virtual Desktop menu (in headset) there is a checkbox to "Show Performance overlay"

Very handy to have this enabled. I found I was able to use "High" settings for some games, but then had to tune it down a bit for more demanding games.

So no more need to rely on just the Streamer app for the latency reading.


I also spoke to Guy Godin (the dev of Virtual Desktop) and he suggested a good latency within VR is: 30-40ms
as there is more processing power involved than just looking at the desktop itself.

.

brav

mrcheez wrote: »

Weird, what do you mean "harder to work with"? You mean the cable is thicker?
.

Yes thicker, so pulling runs is little harder, plus if making off your own connections, Cat6's thickness(AWG) is more finicky/takes more patience than Cat5e.
In this day and age with the price of Cat6 its prob easier to just go with that, but for speed wise, since CAt5e can do 2.5Gbit/s and since your router etc prob have max 1Gbit/s ports, there is no need for more really. Cat7 brings better shielding so can do 100m runs of 10Gbit/s instead of Cat6 50m runs of 10Gbit/s.

*Note I say all this but in my own house I even have a few runs of fibre and DAC between my router and switches so I understand the desire to overkill

mrcheez

brav wrote: »

Yes thicker, so pulling runs is little harder, plus if making off your own connections, Cat6's thickness(AWG) is more finicky/takes more patience than Cat5e.
In this day and age with the price of Cat6 its prob easier to just go with that, but for speed wise, since CAt5e can do 2.5Gbit/s and since your router etc prob have max 1Gbit/s ports, there is no need for more really. Cat7 brings better shielding so can do 100m runs of 10Gbit/s instead of Cat6 50m runs of 10Gbit/s.

*Note I say all this but in my own house I even have a few runs of fibre and DAC between my router and switches so I understand the desire to overkill

Interesting. Yes I did notice it was pretty thick, though I put this down to better construction.

The price of my Cat7 wasn't particularly more expensive than the equivalent Cat5/6 so I just went with that in order to futureproof it. I don't usually buy ethernet cables so this will probably last me for the next 15 years by which stage it might be better to be using Cat7

For a short ethernet cable between router and PC the thickness probably doesn't matter so I guess go for whatever you can afford, I was just basing it on my own experience as I found it was slow compared to my old Cat5.

Richard tea

Cat 7 cable arrived today. It's actually a flat cable. Thought it would be round. Waiting on router now.

JJayoo

mrcheez wrote: »

I'm personally gonna hold off on playing this for a few weeks until all the kinks are ironed out, and going to press on with my huge haul of VR games I got in the last 2 months

What games did you get?

Glebee

I was able to get virtual desktop working last night by dropping all the graphics settings to the lowest and connecting to 5ghz wifi. My latency was still bouncing from 60-100 but its an improvement from 300+. Going to see about getting a spare router and connect to PC and then to powerline adaptor as well as get a long (25m) Cat5e cable to connect direct to router. Have to talk nice to one of the lads in Telecoms department in work to swindle these..:D

My Anker cable still wont let me connect Oculus Link over 3.0 USB even though it works for Side Quest. Something strange there.. As well as that headset is charging over cable connected to 3.0 USB

emmalynn19

Glebee wrote: »

I was able to get virtual desktop working last night by dropping all the graphics settings to the lowest and connecting to 5ghz wifi. My latency was still bouncing from 60-100 but its an improvement from 300+. Going to see about getting a spare router and connect to PC and then to powerline adaptor as well as get a long (25m) Cat5e cable to connect direct to router. Have to talk nice to one of the lads in Telecoms department in work to swindle these..:D

My Anker cable still wont let me connect Oculus Link over 3.0 USB even though it works for Side Quest. Something strange there.. As well as that headset is charging over cable connected to 3.0 USB

I use a Huawei Honor 3 Wifi-6 Router I picked up for 60 quid. Cable the PC to the router, connect the headset to the 5Ghz wifi channel, works great. Headset connects at 1200Mbs, latency is about 20-30ms.