Do you work hard?

CIP4

So I still kind of feel new to the working world yet it’s almost 3 years since I finished college and started working still with the same company. I definitely work hard my job is not easy it is not that physical but can be high stress at times. My work hours are on the long end of the scale but not mad either. Would also take the odd night time / weekend call people would only ring when they absolutely need to and I don’t generally mind.

On the positive side I do really love the job there are bad days but the good days far out weigh them and I get great satisfaction out of it. I am very well paid and get a good annual bonus plus the weekend overtime rate is very good. It’s a good company to work for they have always had full belief in me and even last year offered me a promotion for a job I didn’t think I’d be able for but they convinced me to give it a go and a year later I am delighted I went for it. I have come a long way since I first started there as a graduate fresh out of college.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Came off a 24 hour shift at 9am this morning. Physically I didn't work very hard, ie I wasnt building walls or running through ditches with a rifle and combat equipment fighting order, but I worked very long hours for very little money and that's hard on me and my family.

Had a sleep when I came home and off out for a run now, but I'm still exhausted.

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Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

No. I work long and unsociable hours, but I have a very easy job.

Same as that. I worked all weekend, two twelve days and just finished two twelve hour nights this morning, I was busy at times but it's not too physical..luckily.

Pyr0

I work in software support and training, it's not a very hard job in the grand scheme of things but it comes with its own stresses i suppose! Some days it's hectic and other days I can feel like I've done nothing.

Yurt2

The rise of bullsh*t jobs. A fair whack of our labour force spend their days doing pointless and utterly meaningless jobs.

https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/the-bull****-job-boom

fishy_fishy

Too hard. 55-65 hours a week lately.

theteal

Previous job, yes, network engineer for a global company, non-stop between building kit and installing it at sites around Europe - although I mainly got the crappy French sites

This job, nope, in 3 months now and the projects I was promised/took the job for have stalled so I'm more or less getting paid (quite a bit more than the last job) for nothing. Spent this morning looking for new roles, I may have to go back into London which I was hoping to avoid.

jester77

I work smart so that I don't have to work hard.

Neames

I work hard most of the time as it's a busy office. It's hard to keep going when others are lazy and disinterested though.

r93kaey5p2izun

Not particularly in this job. I do my job well and do whatever is necessary to ensure an excellent job is done, but it's just not that taxing if you know what you're doing. There's a lot of down time in the day too. It's longer hours than my last job but significantly easier overall. Less physically draining and less mentally draining and with a clear endpoint to each task, which is great. And you get a lot less crap from the general public which is refreshing.

Dawido

Yes I do work hard. I have finished Soft Dev bachelor degree with First Class Honours. I feel like I am getting scammed though, I am earning 32k before tax after 1 year review i only got 2% increase. I cant afford a mortgage with this due to house prices. great country

Gorgeousgeorge

Nope. I do what is required of me but no more after that. Took me a while to realise i was the only one breaking my boll#cks.

The handbrake was applied fairly swiftly

Wildly Boaring

Dawido wrote: »

Yes I do work hard. I have finished Soft Dev bachelor degree with First Class Honours. I feel like I am getting scammed though, I am earning 32k before tax after 1 year review i only got 2% increase. I cant afford a mortgage with this due to house prices. great country

32k is a decent graduate salary.
2% rise year 1 seems normal.

After 2 years. What is the plan?

Hard work in the first 5 years sets you for the next 20.
In construction it was always to get my own site. Once at that level the money accelerates quickly. In a position to leave if not.

You gonna be running smaller projects after 2 years?

Edgware

Dawido wrote: »

Yes I do work hard. I have finished Soft Dev bachelor degree with First Class Honours. I feel like I am getting scammed though, I am earning 32k before tax after 1 year review i only got 2% increase. I cant afford a mortgage with this due to house prices. great country

You can use your computer to book a flight to a country that will reward you better. You are either receiving the going rate for the job or not. If not you can go elsewhere. If yes suck it up or change careers

BeerWolf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjElZ-O9EpM

Still waters

Dawido wrote: »

Yes I do work hard. I have finished Soft Dev bachelor degree with First Class Honours. I feel like I am getting scammed though, I am earning 32k before tax after 1 year review i only got 2% increase. I cant afford a mortgage with this due to house prices. great country

Wrong, you can't afford a mortgage in dublin, I know people on what you're making got a mortgage, your job is in demand but you dont earn enough, I earn roughly what you earn and I've a house and a site bought in last 12 years. Dont blame your circumstances on anything but yourself

Psychlops

I work in retail & they try to squeeze everything out of you so no I try to do as little as possible, never ever going to sweat for those pr1cks especially when they can cut your roster.

Thespoofer

Yes

SteelyDanJalapeno

I'm very grateful for my job reading some of the posts here, it's in a multinational, I'm just another number, but the work is handy and they pay is good. I have time to upskill and try increase my incomings through external means

lbc2019

Working Hard or Hardly Working?

Am I right???

Wesser

Dawido wrote: »

Yes I do work hard. I have finished Soft Dev bachelor degree with First Class Honours. I feel like I am getting scammed though, I am earning 32k before tax after 1 year review i only got 2% increase. I cant afford a mortgage with this due to house prices. great country

If you are able to remember what mark you got in n your degree than you must be quite young. Or early in your career. Most people only buying houses in the thirties. Just because you can't buy a house directly after you qualify doesn't mean the country is a failure.

Grueller

I could if I wanted to

dartboardio

I dunno.. Its hard to work hard in a call centre. Talking **** on phones all day.

When i worked in customer service i really worked hard. Manually and in other ways. Like dragging boxes for delivery around the place.. 24 packs of cans etc. Enjoyed it though.. Running about the place.

So boring sitting at a desk all day in a call centre but the 9 to 5 hours and every bank holiday and weekend off just gets me!

smurfjed

I spend hours looking out the window watching the world go by and admiring how nature changes, followed by moments of high energy entertainment.

Wesser

Wesser wrote: »

If you are able to remember what mark you got in n your degree than you must be quite young. Or early in your career. Most people only buying houses in the thirties. Just because you can't buy a house directly after you qualify doesn't mean the country is a failure.

Who doesn’t remember the mark they got in their degree regardless of how long ago it was? Even if you forgot it (which I can’t see how you would) it’s going to be at the top of your cv.

dreamers75

I do my job as well as possible, i expect anyone who works for me to do the job they are being paid for, nothing more nothing less.

B.A._Baracus

Where I am they work the bollocks off you (manual labor job)
I took the job as I needed money and here we are a year later and I still haven't got out of it. Thought I would be long gone.


Wanna know something? You're a fecking idiot if you're a hard worker. Smart man gets an easy job.

SteelyDanJalapeno

Zachary Putrid Bread wrote: »

Who doesn’t remember the mark they got in their degree regardless of how long ago it was? Even if you forgot it (which I can’t see how you would) it’s going to be at the top of your cv.

Experience is far more valued than exam results

SteelyDanJalapeno

SteelyDanJalapeno wrote: »

Experience is far more valued than exam results

Experience is very important but without the necessary qualifications you have zero chance of even being considered for the vast majority of jobs nowadays.

Alf Veedersane

Zachary Putrid Bread wrote: »

Experience is very important but without the necessary qualifications you have zero chance of even being considered for the vast majority of jobs nowadays.

Not really.

Qualifications typically mean you passed exams.

Experience demonstrates your ability to do a particular job. Qualifications don't.

I could have left my qualifications off my CV the last time I went for a job and it would have made no difference to me getting the job.

That said, maybe it's valid early in your career when there isn't much experience.

The J Stands for Jay

Mister Vain wrote: »

Is 650 a week considered low pay?

Yes, it's below the average wage.

Alf Veedersane

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Not really.

Qualifications typically mean you passed exams.

Experience demonstrates your ability to do a particular job. Qualifications don't.

I could have left my qualifications off my CV the last time I went for a job and it would have made no difference to me getting the job.

That said, maybe it's valid early in your career when there isn't much experience.

All the experience in the world won’t get your cv looked at in many fields unless you have the required qualifications. A PhD is mandatory in my area of work for example, without it you simply will not be considered for jobs.

I would say you are in a very small minority if you can leave your qualifications of your cv as this is not the case for the vast majority of people no matter what stage of their career, certainly not in skilled technical fields anyway.

Fifty grades of shay.

I have a routine day most days, don't ever kill myself and frequently during winter do fcuk all.
The summer is busier and would put in some long days but just routine stuff, would hardly break a sweat if the sun isn't out. 7 day week though.
I'm a farmer,

Alf Veedersane

Zachary Putrid Bread wrote: »

All the experience in the world won’t get your cv looked at in many fields unless you have the required qualifications. A PhD is mandatory in my area of work for example, without it you simply will not be considered for jobs.

I would say you are in a very small minority if you can leave your qualifications of your cv as this is not the case for the vast majority of people no matter what stage of their career, certainly not in skilled technical fields anyway.

Maybe Im just looking through a different prism. Considering more senior positions I've seen filled recently and all of those had 10+ years experience and I would confidently say all of those got their jobs on the basis of their experience.

But maybe they're just different areas

steve_irl

the perception of working hard is more important than doing the actual work in a lot of cases

myshirt

Zachary Putrid Bread wrote: »

All the experience in the world won’t get your cv looked at in many fields unless you have the required qualifications. A PhD is mandatory in my area of work for example, without it you simply will not be considered for jobs.

I would say you are in a very small minority if you can leave your qualifications of your cv as this is not the case for the vast majority of people no matter what stage of their career, certainly not in skilled technical fields anyway.

People hire from what they know, and it's close minded. What you are describing there is almost cartel like. I seen it in my own profession when I was a solicitor and then an accountant. People from Trinity hiring people from Trinity, people from UCD hiring UCD, and Chartered Accountants only hiring Chartered Accountants, maybe an odd ACCA, a rare CIMA, but never ever a CPA. They'd put their own balls in a blender before they'd hire a CPA or any other Mickey Mouse "accountancy qualification".

If you had a PhD I'd look at you but it would likely put me off you, unless I was in a public sector cartel. Those with PhD's and no experience are professional students. I'd like to see a degree, some experience and career advancement, and then the PhD if you wanted it. Certainly not a straight through degree to PhD, and certainly not someone who was unable to advance their career so went back to do a PhD.

I've worked as a manager for a couple of years now so I understand the reasons for a person not working hard. Its usually something along the lines of

Poor Morale in the company
Bad Management
Lack of Opportunities for progression
Boring job
Bullying / Harassment
Salary / benefits
All of the above

Companies need to work harder to keep staff motivated. From my experience, people will be motivated if they get paid a decent wage, have opportunities to grow, a manager that inspires them and good morale around them.

myshirt

myshirt wrote: »

If you had a PhD I'd look at you but it would likely put me off you, unless I was in a public sector cartel. Those with PhD's and no experience are professional students. I'd like to see a degree, some experience and career advancement, and then the PhD if you wanted it. Certainly not a straight through degree to PhD, and certainly not someone who was unable to advance their career so went back to do a PhD.

It’s nothing to do with hiring people from one university etc as you described above it’s a simple fact that in order to have the skills and required experience in the field a PhD is necessary as you won’t be qualified to do the job without it.

Also the time doing a PhD is considered work experience as doing a PhD (in science/engineering) is basically working as a research scientist/engineer.

Hector Savage

I work hard on and off, sometimes really busy, after a few tough weeks we are at a quiet period, but I use my time wisely , just fixing some bugs with some stuff and doing some self training, there is really really good courses on EDX and similar platforms.

So even when I'm not so busy, I try and keep active at least, try and minimise the pouncing about on the net.

myshirt

steve_irl wrote: »

the perception of working hard is more important than doing the actual work in a lot of cases

Working smart is the new thing, rather than working hard. That's why I run the gas off the electricity, and the electricity off the gas. Also, your ability to get work done through others is key. One of the top guys in my place has little to no qualifications, no professional background in what we do, no technical knowledge or know how, but what he does have is an excellent ability to get work done through others, he has decisiveness, and excellent people skills.

There's a difference between doing the work, and managing the people who do the work, or managing the managers of the people who do the work. Those people who are working hard may actually just be pissing against the wind. You have to work productively if you want to advance. Not work hard and whinge that "it's not fair that I do all the work while she just lays there". Put your back into it and just get on with it lads.

Ush1

I'm working in IT/OT over ten years and never been asked for my degree results and have never included them on my CV.

Snow Garden

Zachary Putrid Bread wrote: »

All the experience in the world won’t get your cv looked at in many fields unless you have the required qualifications. A PhD is mandatory in my area of work for example, without it you simply will not be considered for jobs.

I would say you are in a very small minority if you can leave your qualifications of your cv as this is not the case for the vast majority of people no matter what stage of their career, certainly not in skilled technical fields anyway.

In IT, academic qualifications are largely irrelevant. Experience is everything.

Ush1

Ush1 wrote: »

I'm working in IT/OT over ten years and never been asked for my degree results and have never included them on my CV.

How would you not include them? My cv and any cv I’ve seen starts off with qualifications at the start and moves on to work experience then.

Alf Veedersane

Zachary Putrid Bread wrote: »

How would you not include them? My cv and any cv I’ve seen starts off with qualifications at the start and moves on to work experience then.

Qualifications are not always relevant.

Several of my peers who studied physics went into Finance. Their experience demonstrated the skills they had meant they could do the job well. Their qualifications suggested they would be good physicists.

EmmetSpiceland

Qualifications rarely seem to be relevant to those without them.

Badly Drunk Boy

Do you work hard?

Mark E Smith asked the same question...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfvFUfLz1Hk

Ush1

Zachary Putrid Bread wrote: »

How would you not include them? My cv and any cv I’ve seen starts off with qualifications at the start and moves on to work experience then.

Most CVs have qualifications after experience. Sure look at LinkedIn.

I can't remember the results of my degree exams and even if I did they would be totally irrelevant at this stage. I've done loads of industry certifications since then which is actually what shows my skills and knowledge(along with work experience).

I have a single line which says my degree, the years I did it and where. Anything more than that is pointless filler.

Lillyfae

I work 4 days a week and although my workload can change I never feel overworked. I can easily read some news, do a bit of boardsing, reply to personal emails/ phonecalls and even get a bit of housework done (if I'm working from home) during that time too mostly. I know my output is high because in the past I've stepped in and helped out in other departments when they were overwhelmed and much to their surprise I was able to keep everything running pretty smoothly on their end and mine- not that that would be sustainable long term.

I enjoy the work but I think it's got more to do with understanding processes and people well and listening to what is being requested- that can go over people's heads alot of the time. Also I take a high level of responsibility in my work- this can be a blessing and a course because although I am a perfectionist I often find it difficult to accept that not everyone is :P

Long story short, I think I work smart not hard- at least smarter and less hard than other people I work with!

ToddyDoody

Get Crackin'!!

Ray Palmer

I don't really work hard but not many people can do my job. It isn't particularly difficult for me but everytime I am away or out everything is a mess. Generally it just means staying on top of the work coming in and getting back to people.
Others who attempt it find it too stressful and drop the ball.
I get paid very well for a job that doesn't cause me much strain but it is more to do with the inability to replace me. Been paid a lot less to do a lot more work and much more stress. Could change jobs and get paid more but it would be a lot more strees. I get paid per day what many earn in a week. Did my time in poorly paid jobs before I decided to get better paying work.