Mass shooting in Utrecht

judeboy101

Possible terror link

https://news.sky.com/story/live-police-shooting-on-dutch-tram-is-possible-terror-attack-11669318

DrumSteve

vicwatson wrote: »

Sounds like Dublin on a Saturday night

No it doesn't.

Another one? Good grief.

LessOutragePlz

Mass immigration is too blame for this.

degsie

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Mass immigration is too blame for this.

Just SHUT UP!

Seth Brundle

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Mass immigration is too blame for this.

You seem to know more than has been announced.
Do you know something g or are you just a presumptive racist?

Danzy

A cultural diversity incident.

RocketRaccoon

Seth Brundle wrote: »

You seem to know more than has been announced.
Do you know something g or are you just a presumptive racist?

Odds on this being a religious based attack??? It's not presumptive at all.

branie2

Awful!

Akrasia

I hope whoever was responsible for this is caught and whatever network they rely on for their weapons and propaganda are identified and dismantled. Whether it's islamic terrorism, or neo-nazi terrorism or any other extremist group, this kind of senseless violence has absolutely no place in a civilised and beautiful city like Utrecht

1641

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Mass immigration is too blame for this.

Hate filled extremists (ie, inadequates) on all sides are responsible - pumping out their bile and bigotry on internet forums (to feel big, get likes, whatever), while being indifferent to where there words and ideology leads to when turned to murder by the sociopathically inclined. Or maybe not indifferent - more delighted - as violence by any one side leads to more slaughter all round.

enricoh

Danzy wrote: »

A cultural diversity incident.

Part and parcel of living in a big city, innit.

Barna77

Going to Utrecht myself this Friday.
Awful news

Guy:Incognito

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Odds on this being a religious based attack??? It's not presumptive at all.

So its an issue of religion being a stupid, pointless, ridiculous dividing construct?

and not an immigration issue so.

Lillyfae

There was a train strike this morning so I worked from home for the day instead- maybe a lot of others did the same. Couldn't be happier to be at home with my family if these lunatics are on the loose, even if they're not.

I've been dreading this since Charlie Hebdo to be honest, the Dutch police are doing an amazing job at thwarting incidents before they happen but it was only a matter of time before something succeeded.

vicwatson

DrumSteve wrote: »

No it doesn't.

Yes, it does

Roger Hassenforder

vicwatson wrote: »

Yes, it does

It was shît the first time.
No need to double down.

vicwatson

KathleenGrant wrote: »

He won't get many thanks for. Despicable comment.

Just shut up

Sonics2k

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Mass immigration is too blame for this.

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Odds on this being a religious based attack??? It's not presumptive at all.

It's amazing to me that you two just happen to have completely ignored the thread on the NZ shootings. I'm sure that's just a coincidence though.

Danzy

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So its an issue of religion being a stupid, ridiculous dividing construct?

and not an immigration issue so.

It is an issue of extreme free marketers mass importing people who have a very different culture.

This is just the inevitable outcome. They'll be the first to call for solidarity, charlatans.

vicwatson

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

It was shthe first time.
No need to double down.

Sorry, I don't speak American

Atlantic Dawn

Sky reporting gunfire near a mosque nearbye too.

RocketRaccoon

Sonics2k wrote: »

It's amazing to me that you two just happen to have completely ignored the thread on the NZ shootings. I'm sure that's just a coincidence though.

An absolutely horrible, heart breaking incident that should never have been allowed to happen. What more needs to be said?

Lillyfae

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Sky reporting gunfire near a mosque nearbye too.

This has just been reported by the police as being false.

Roger Hassenforder

vicwatson wrote: »

Sorry, I don't speak American

You're embarrassing yourself Vic.
You should consider a re-reg

Charles Ingles

Here we go more excuses for Islam bashing.
It's a religion of peace all these lone wolf be attacks don't speak for Muslims.
However that head case in NZ does speak for all white Christians

theguzman

We will fight them with eggs

KikiLaRue

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Here we go more excuses for Islam bashing.
It's a religion of peace all these lone wolf be attacks don't speak for Muslims.
However that head case in NZ does speak for all white Christians

It mostly goes the other way around. We treat white men as lone wolves and Muslims as representative of a religion of a billion people who are, in the main, entirely peaceful.

SharpshooterTom

The right wishing its a muslim.
The left wishing its a white male.

Both groups have agendas. Think it would be great if these jihadists and white saviours would just all go into a locked room and shoot each other.

vicwatson

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

You're embarrassing yourself Vic.
You should consider a re-reg

Nice.


I still don't speak American and I don't tolerate bullies either

Danzy

theguzman wrote: »

We will fight them with eggs

You'll get a "diversity is a strength" behind the ear and you better be grateful for it.

KikiLaRue

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

No need to be so outraged just stating an opinion that is backed up by facts care to tell me how many terror attacks were committed in Europe by non immigrants in the last 10 years in comparison to terror attacks committed by immigrants.

Most mass shootings that make the news are incel white kids in the US. Why no mention of those? Because they don’t suit your narrative?

Baggly

Mod

Quite the sniping, speculation and off topic posting in this thread.

Cards handed out and more to follow if people cannot adhere to the above.

pajor

Lillyfae wrote: »

There was a train strike this morning so I worked from home for the day instead- maybe a lot of others did the same. Couldn't be happier to be at home with my family if these lunatics are on the loose, even if they're not.

I've been dreading this since Charlie Hebdo to be honest, the Dutch police are doing an amazing job at thwarting incidents before they happen but it was only a matter of time before something succeeded.

Do you live in Utrecht?

Lillyfae

pajor wrote: »

Do you live in Utrecht?

Close by, the Netherlands is a small and very well connected country.

pajor

Lillyfae wrote: »

Close by, the Netherlands is a small and very well connected country.

I know.. I live in the Veluwe!

LessOutragePlz

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Most mass shootings that make the news are incel white kids in the US. Why no mention of those? Because they don’t suit your narrative?

I wasn't talking about America I was talking about Europe so I don't see the relevance of your point. I highly doubt anyone will answer my question anyway because it doesn't fit in with their agenda.

Baggly

yutfirst wrote:

Sky News live updates.

Yes I caught you cited that, but good courtesy to show your info is sourced by throwing up links. Anyone can throw up an update and claim it comes from a source, but without link, it can be time consuming to verify all the claims that will be made in a thread like this.

If you are reading the updates yourself it's the work of 10 seconds to copy and paste a link like....

Collie D

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

I wasn't talking about America I was talking about Europe so I don't see the relevance of your point. I highly doubt anyone will answer my questions anyway because it doesn't fit in with their agenda.

You’ve one post on this thread and it wasn’t a question so don’t be playing that card.

Police on Sky News now saying shots have been fired in several locations.

Sardonicat

Shooting at several locations in Utrecht.
Country at Level 5 alert
A/C BBC news. Sorry can't do link on phone

KikiLaRue

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

I wasn't talking about America I was talking about Europe so I don't see the relevance of your point. I highly doubt anyone will answer my question anyway because it doesn't fit in with their agenda.

Most recent mass shootings in mainland Europe have been carried out by ISIS or those inspired by ISIS.

Most recent mass shootings in the US have been carried out by disgruntled white men.

I would be more interested in an analysis of what causes a man (and it is almost exclusively a male thing) to go out and kill a few dozen people - is it a combination of psychiatric issues, dangerous ideologies and access to high powered weapons? Seems to be.

Rather than blaming mass immigration (when we can clearly see this regularly happens in situations where immigration is not a factor) it would be more useful to have a conversation about how we can stop young men (and older men) from becoming radicalized, and how we can identify those who have been radicalized before they carry out an attack.

1641

Danzy wrote: »

It is an issue of extreme free marketers mass importing people who have a very different culture.

Which "culture" did Brevik come from? Tarrant? Bowers ?

The exact same "culture" that violent islamists come from. The culture of fear and hatred of the other - the different, or whatever term you prefer.
This is the culture that we need to combat.

Omackeral

" The police are currently looking for the perpetrator."

Worrying

Lillyfae

Sardonicat wrote: »

Shooting at several locations in Utrecht.
Country at Level 5 alert
A/C BBC news. Sorry can't do link on phone

I didn't see the press conference but it's being reported in the Dutch news that only Utrecht is on level 5 and there have been no other incidents.

Danzy

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Most recent mass shootings in mainland Europe have been carried out by ISIS or those inspired by ISIS.

Most recent mass shootings in the US have been carried out by disgruntled white men.

I would be more interested in an analysis of what causes a man (and it is almost exclusively a male thing) to go out and kill a few dozen people - is it a combination of psychiatric issues, dangerous ideologies and access to high powered weapons? Seems to be.

Rather than blaming mass immigration (when we can clearly see this regularly happens in situations where immigration is not a factor) it would be more useful to have a conversation about how we can stop young men (and older men) from becoming radicalized, and how we can identify those who have been radicalized before they carry out an attack.

So it is men rather than extreme free-market politics on migration.

The working-class aren't buying that any more though.

Omackeral

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

The right wishing its a muslim.
The left wishing its a white male.

Both groups have agendas.

Normal people wishing it doesn't happen it all, including many on the right and left

If anyone here is on Snapchat - the most recent public snap from Utrecht showing 3 lads climbing over a fence but I can’t understand the text that’s with the snap. Are they just evacuating an area?

Hope screenshot works.

Sardonicat

Lillyfae wrote: »

I didn't see the press conference but it's being reported in the Dutch news that only Utrecht is on level 5 and there have been no other incidents.

Thanks for clarifying.

dudara

The Netherlands is my second home due to all the time I’ve spent there, and I think their police do a great job.

Hoping for swift and secure resolution to this.

LessOutragePlz

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Most recent mass shootings in mainland Europe have been carried out by ISIS or those inspired by ISIS.

Most recent mass shootings in the US have been carried out by disgruntled white men.

I would be more interested in an analysis of what causes a man (and it is almost exclusively a male thing) to go out and kill a few dozen people - is it a combination of psychiatric issues, dangerous ideologies and access to high powered weapons? Seems to be.

Rather than blaming mass immigration (when we can clearly see this regularly happens in situations where immigration is not a factor) it would be more useful to have a conversation about how we can stop young men (and older men) from becoming radicalized, and how we can identify those who have been radicalized before they carry out an attack.

While I agree that, that would be a good way of understanding the underlying problems/issues that cause these mass shootings/terror attacks. Which would hopefully result in less of them occurring in the future.

Would you not agree that if we had less immigration in Europe we'd have less terror attacks in Europe because statistically speaking the majority of terror attacks that are committed in Europe are committed by immigrants. Even though their radicalisation will have spurred them on to commit the terror attacks if they weren't here in the first place it wouldn't have happened.

Charles Ingles

A sister of my wife's friend from work is over there for the weekend.
Please God she is okay