Why is Waterford left out on a lot of tourist Itinaries

alta stare

First Up wrote: »

Sarcasm not one of your strong points then.

Lots of lovely spots around Waterford and lots of effort going into them. Ardmore, Dungarvan, Passage East, Dunmore East and amenities like golf at Faithlegg or Waterford Castle, Mount Congreve, the Greenway, the GIY centre (and the Harvest Festival). I've familiar with all of them.

But the city has little or no appeal and there's not much evidence of anyone trying very hard to improve it.

When someone is being incoherent it is hard to distinguish between sarcasm and idiocy.

So in the space of a few posts you went from giving out about Waterford to praising it.

Greenway starts in the city,
Apple market was improved,
NQ redevelopment,
Viking Triangle,
Museums.

They do class as improvements you know so the next time you are down you should do something here if of course you can bring yourself to let go of your obvious mental constraints.

Wailin

The place is like a morgue mon-fri, only livens up a bit Saturday night....late. Peoples attitude there stinks. No one bothers there hole supporting local business especially bars.

Im from the city but living in dublin the last 10 years. Come down regular with the missus and the change in the place is pathetic to be honest. Friday night i brought the missus to itty bittys, a lovely pub and guess what? We were the only people there, at 8:30 on a friday night for gods sake. How do these places survive? Same with any friday night we go out....dead as fcuk. Dublin is heaving 7 nights a week as is kilkenny, cork etc.

Its the old begrudging Waterford attitide that has the place on its knees. Sad to see, I love my hometown. But to be honest, i also love leaving it sometimes.

alta stare

Wailin wrote: »

The place is like a morgue mon-fri, only livens up a bit Saturday night....late. Peoples attitude there stinks. No one bothers there hole supporting local business especially bars.

Im from the city but living in dublin the last 10 years. Come down regular with the missus and the change in the place is pathetic to be honest. Friday night i brought the missus to itty bittys, a lovely pub and guess what? We were the only people there, at 8:30 on a friday night for gods sake. How do these places survive? Same with any friday night we go out....dead as fcuk. Dublin is heaving 7 nights a week as is kilkenny, cork etc.

Its the old begrudging Waterford attitide that has the place on its knees. Sad to see, I love my hometown. But to be honest, i also love leaving it sometimes.

I lived in Kilkenny for a few years and this notion that it do be heaving 7 days a week is way wide of the mark. A nice place for sure but it definitely isnt a busy as people like to say it is.

IspeakcozIcan

Wailin wrote: »

The place is like a morgue mon-fri, only livens up a bit Saturday night....late. Peoples attitude there stinks. No one bothers there hole supporting local business especially bars.

Im from the city but living in dublin the last 10 years. Come down regular with the missus and the change in the place is pathetic to be honest. Friday night i brought the missus to itty bittys, a lovely pub and guess what? We were the only people there, at 8:30 on a friday night for gods sake. How do these places survive? Same with any friday night we go out....dead as fcuk. Dublin is heaving 7 nights a week as is kilkenny, cork etc.

Its the old begrudging Waterford attitide that has the place on its knees. Sad to see, I love my hometown. But to be honest, i also love leaving it sometimes.

If the place is dead on a Friday it may not survive very long unfortunately. I haven't heard much about Itty Bitty's.

Why not go up to Geoff's, Davy Mac's, or just across from that bar to The Munster or Jordan's, down the quay to Uisce Beatha (won the award for best pub in Waterford last night at the Irish Restaurant Awards), the Metalman, or Phil Grimes, O'Grady's Yard... or over to Tully's, Walsh's or Downses....

There's so many good spots in Waterford at the weekend!

I'm also out of Waterford a similar amount of time, return regularly with my Dublin partner. We always have a great night with good, reasonably priced food and drinks.

Wailin

Davy macs is one of our favourite pubs in waterford but even there is very quiet on a friday night. It picks up from around 10 on. To encourage business there and the bodega had a deal where you get a meal for 2 with a bottle of wine for 80 plus a €10 voucher for davy macs. Great deal but sad that this is what they need to do to get people in friday nights. We were in davy macs and everyone coming in had vouchers but fecked off then after their free drink.

azimuth17

Wailin wrote: »

Davy macs is one of our favourite pubs in waterford but even there is very quiet on a friday night. It picks up from around 10 on. To encourage business there and the bodega had a deal where you get a meal for 2 with a bottle of wine for 80 plus a €10 voucher for davy macs. Great deal but sad that this is what they need to do to get people in friday nights. We were in davy macs and everyone coming in had vouchers but fecked off then after their free drink.

You may just be witnessing the difference between the Dublin and Waterford economies. Did that ever occur to you before you started off saying that people won't support their own? We usually eat out in town on Saturday night (most places are full) and then go to Davy Macs or wherever. Maybe disposable income doe snot stretch beyond that for those of us not in receipt of Dublin salaries? Lots of sensible stuff on this thread, but slagging off our own helps no one.
Comparisons with KK are pointless. A large country market town that has a castle(without it, it would be Clonmel or Wexford) and never had the industry or commerce that Waterford had or the difficulties that changes in both have caused.. I wish them well, but chalk and cheese etc.

Deiseen

Wailin wrote: »

Davy macs is one of our favourite pubs in waterford but even there is very quiet on a friday night. It picks up from around 10 on. To encourage business there and the bodega had a deal where you get a meal for 2 with a bottle of wine for 80 plus a €10 voucher for davy macs. Great deal but sad that this is what they need to do to get people in friday nights. We were in davy macs and everyone coming in had vouchers but fecked off then after their free drink.

We all know the issues (town is busier now midweek btw) but we've a €400 million development on the verge of starting. You say there's nothing going on but this will hopefully be starting very soon.

Would you rather a few Small developments or would you rather the biggest case of FDI outside of Dublin in the history of the state, that will basically re-invent the entire city centre?

I know which one I'd choose.

First Up

alta stare wrote:

When someone is being incoherent it is hard to distinguish between sarcasm and idiocy.

At least I can spell correctly.

alta stare wrote:

So in the space of a few posts you went from giving out about Waterford to praising it.

Its possible to do both (its called objective criticism).

alta stare wrote:

Greenway starts in the city, Apple market was improved, NQ redevelopment, Viking Triangle, Museums.

The Greenway starts in the city - and leaves immediately. Glad to know there are other improvements and I look forward to enjoying them.

The J Stands for Jay

IspeakcozIcan wrote: »

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

The Greenway had over 250,000 visitors in its first year. I won't list all the awards it's won.

It actually starts from the City too.

The Mayo Greenway gets the same annual numbers, and it's the only one I ever hear about.

ArtVandelay76

Wailin wrote: »

The place is like a morgue mon-fri, only livens up a bit Saturday night....late. Peoples attitude there stinks. No one bothers there hole supporting local business especially bars.

Im from the city but living in dublin the last 10 years. Come down regular with the missus and the change in the place is pathetic to be honest. Friday night i brought the missus to itty bittys, a lovely pub and guess what? We were the only people there, at 8:30 on a friday night for gods sake. How do these places survive? Same with any friday night we go out....dead as fcuk. Dublin is heaving 7 nights a week as is kilkenny, cork etc.

Its the old begrudging Waterford attitide that has the place on its knees. Sad to see, I love my hometown. But to be honest, i also love leaving it sometimes.

A lot of people don't know of itty bittys existence so that might have something to do with it being empty unfortunately.

alta stare

First Up wrote: »

At least I can spell correctly.



Its possible to do both (its called objective criticism).



The Greenway starts in the city - and leaves immediately. Glad to know there are other improvements and I look forward to enjoying them.

ah i see what you are now, a little 14 yr old snowflake who thinks conversing as you are is still a thing. "At least i can spell"

Objective criticism?? Yeah having an opinion is good but you pointed out an issue which every other city has whilst pretending you never seen or heard anything of the likes anywhere else, that isnt objective criticism.

See now you are beginning to understand. Good luck in your junior cert.

First Up

alta stare wrote:

See now you are beginning to understand. Good luck in your junior cert.

I hope your heroic defence of the indefensible is properly rewarded by your peers.

IspeakcozIcan

McGaggs wrote: »

The Mayo Greenway gets the same annual numbers, and it's the only one I ever hear about.

The Waterford Greenway gets brilliant coverage in the media. It's brought towns back to life. It's a massive success story and in Dublin anyways people are well aware of it.

Harry Palmr

Never heard of the Mayo greenway to be honest, our Greenway has been the only source of positive ongoing coverage for the last two years but it has little to do with the City as pointed out in previous discussion.

Wanderer78

Harry Palmr wrote:

Never heard of the Mayo greenway to be honest, our Greenway has been the only source of positive ongoing coverage for the last two years but it had little to do with the City as pointed out in previous discussion.

Tis up and running since before ours, ours was largely based on it, was regularly mentioned at public meetings before ours opened, sounds like they done a good job up there

my3cents

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Tis up and running since before ours, ours was largely based on it, was regularly mentioned at public meetings before ours opened, sounds like they done a good job up there

Only because of some of the objections that held the Waterford Greenway up for years.

Wanderer78

my3cents wrote:

Only because of some of the objections that held the Waterford Greenway up for years.

It's important to have a democratic input into the construction of public amenities, including objection processes, delays are inevitable, shur it's up and running now

my3cents

Wanderer78 wrote: »

It's important to have a democratic input into the construction of public amenities, including objection processes, delays are inevitable, shur it's up and running now

You've no idea of what went on have you?

Wanderer78

my3cents wrote:

You've no idea of what went on have you?

Na, shur life's all good

Deiseen

ArtVandelay76 wrote: »

A lot of people don't know of itty bittys existence so that might have something to do with it being empty unfortunately.

Never even heard of it meself!

debok

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Tis up and running since before ours, ours was largely based on it, was regularly mentioned at public meetings before ours opened, sounds like they done a good job up there

Cycled the mayo Greenway. It's not a patch on the Waterford one I think meself. Lot of it you are on the actually road . Also for where it is it misses alot of the coastal scenery. I think Waterford one with its Riverside setting at the city end and coastal setting at dungarvan end with the tunnel and kilmac bridge in between makes it an unbelievable amenity. I wish there was camping or glamping somewhere along the way. I'd love to own bit of land near and it start up a site.

alta stare

Deiseen wrote: »

Never even heard of it meself!

Nor did i until just before Christmas. Nice little bar but it was dead when was i was there.

kilkenny31

I often wonder why county Waterford doesn't get more tourists. The drive from tramore to dungarvan is really nice. Its just missing one or two nice hotels in the area and cafes and restaurants in towns along the way.
As regards the city I think its just not a particularly nice city. Its a bit rough around the edges and doesn't have a whole lot to offer when it comes to pubs (except maybe geoffs).
I think tourists will be naturally drawn towards kilkenny, Galway etc. They are just nicer cities. A lot of work has been done to Waterford but it still looks run down on a lot of the approach roads (the Manor, park road, Sally Park, bilberry,, Bridge Street etc.....)
I think it's easy to blame neglect on the part of government but I think something like the appearence of buildings etc can't be blamed on that. I think there's an element of pessimism in a good chunk of the population and not enough civic pride. I think this is evident when it comes to Ardkeen Newtown Dunmore Road area. The "middle class" (hate that term") people of Waterford have created there own nice mini town (ardkeen and Dunmore Road) with nice shops bars and restaurants. I know relatively wealthy people who live in that area who never socialise in the city because its rough(their words).
I don't think you see this in other cities in Ireland. In kilkenny or Galway for example Middle aged middle class people socialise in the cities because there are endless nice bars and restaurants..
I think its easy portray Waterford as poor but there's a lot of wealth in the city.

Harry Palmr

Sally Park approach is an utter disgrace but it's hardly a surprise given most of it is in Kilkenny. Cork road is what it is, no room to enhance it. Ferrybank will obviously be changed utterly in the next few years.

Azatadine

The Carrickpherish entrance is awful too. Traveller halting sites sprawling all over the place.

The Bilberry section is awful too with that temporary set up and traveller halting site and Stanley site. Atrocious considering these areas are adjacent to the greenway entrance.

Deiseen

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I often wonder why county Waterford doesn't get more tourists. The drive from tramore to dungarvan is really nice. Its just missing one or two nice hotels in the area and cafes and restaurants in towns along the way.
As regards the city I think its just not a particularly nice city. Its a bit rough around the edges and doesn't have a whole lot to offer when it comes to pubs (except maybe geoffs).
I think tourists will be naturally drawn towards kilkenny, Galway etc. They are just nicer cities. A lot of work has been done to Waterford but it still looks run down on a lot of the approach roads (the Manor, park road, Sally Park, bilberry,, Bridge Street etc.....)
I think it's easy to blame neglect on the part of government but I think something like the appearence of buildings etc can't be blamed on that. I think there's an element of pessimism in a good chunk of the population and not enough civic pride. I think this is evident when it comes to Ardkeen Newtown Dunmore Road area. The "middle class" (hate that term") people of Waterford have created there own nice mini town (ardkeen and Dunmore Road) with nice shops bars and restaurants. I know relatively wealthy people who live in that area who never socialise in the city because its rough(their words).
I don't think you see this in other cities in Ireland. In kilkenny or Galway for example Middle aged middle class people socialise in the cities because there are endless nice bars and restaurants..
I think its easy portray Waterford as poor but there's a lot of wealth in the city.

I'm from Waterford and I don't know a single person who avoids town because its rough...

There is a lot of wealth in the city but not enough to have it looking well like Galway or Cork.

Kilkenny is basically two roads so is very easy to maintain. Waterford has multiple busy streets with lots of cars at all times of the day which add to the maintenance cost due to emissions from cars. It's not an excuse but its a reason.

Mervyn Skidmore

I went to Waterford for a weekend last year. I enjoyed it but to be honest I thought it was a bit run down and rough around the edges. Found a few nice pubs and thought the people were nice. Definitely a lot of potential there but needs serious investment. I'm from Sligo and its a bit similar on a smaller scale. I'm living in Galway and they just seem to have the whole small city thing worked out. The likes of Waterford and Sligo should take a leaf out of Galway's book.

TheQuietFella

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

I went to Waterford for a weekend last year. I enjoyed it but to be honest I thought it was a bit run down and rough around the edges. Found a few nice pubs and thought the people were nice. Definitely a lot of potential there but needs serious investment. I'm from Sligo and its a bit similar on a smaller scale. I'm living in Galway and they just seem to have the whole small city thing worked out. The likes of Waterford and Sligo should take a leaf out of Galway's book.

They would only smoke it!

Deiseen

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

I went to Waterford for a weekend last year. I enjoyed it but to be honest I thought it was a bit run down and rough around the edges. Found a few nice pubs and thought the people were nice. Definitely a lot of potential there but needs serious investment. I'm from Sligo and its a bit similar on a smaller scale. I'm living in Galway and they just seem to have the whole small city thing worked out. The likes of Waterford and Sligo should take a leaf out of Galway's book.

A lot of the streets have been done up since so it is looking a bit better. Also, we've got a €350 million investment hopefully starting in a few months and I think things will really start changing then.

kilkenny31

Deiseen wrote: »

I'm from Waterford and I don't know a single person who avoids town because its rough...

There is a lot of wealth in the city but not enough to have it looking well like Galway or Cork.

Kilkenny is basically two roads so is very easy to maintain. Waterford has multiple busy streets with lots of cars at all times of the day which add to the maintenance cost due to emissions from cars. It's not an excuse but its a reason.

Really. I know plenty. They would prefer to socialise in the Uluru, Cove or Oscars because the centre of town has no appeal. Similarly with shopping. They find it's full of cheap shops.

I think investment will get you so far but civic pride will get you further. For example lady lane was recently renovated but it has not improved the appearance of the buildings. Similary to half o connenel street. It was renovated years back and still looks rough.

An example I have of civic pride is recently a sports shop opened on Kilkennys high street and there was uproar from a lot of people over the sinage and shop front. People thought it took from the area.
There has been a free for all over the last number of years in Waterford with cheap shops with cheap shop fronts and I haven't seen too many complaints. Small things like forcing people to maintain their properties and setting a standard for shops in the city would go a long way towards improving the city.
The reason people like the Viking triangle and mall area is the fact that it's not full of cheap shops and the buildings are well kept. The average person doesn't tend to realise what makes a place nice but most of the time it's as simple as a lick of paint and nice shop fronts.