All Ireland Senior Hurling (Liam Mccarthy Cup) 2019

golfball37

threeball wrote: »

Not disputing that he's excellent but the stops he pulled off that day were ones even he wouldn't normally stop. Even if Limerick tapped them over they would have won convincingly. That game was not as close as the score suggests.

The save he made from John McGrath at the start of the second half in 2016 AIF says to me it wasn’t luck against Limerick. Murphy is that good. Schemical used do the same for man Utd and that wasn’t luck either.

C__MC

golfball37 wrote: »

The save he made from John McGrath at the start of the second half in 2016 AIF says to me it wasn’t luck against Limerick. Murphy is that good. Schemical used do the same for man Utd and that wasn’t luck either.

Kilkenny were a point up and a very dodgy refereeing call went against them. Think it was on 68 mins. Scandalous I would say, kk atm are reffed much harder then in previous times. Probably a sentence for the noughties when kk were tough in the tackle.

But you are right the limerick forwards ran riot that day but kk played some very ordinary players who aren't even on the panel right now.

Last Stop

Pogue eile wrote: »

Is it because he gets fouled a lot maybe?

Was at the game yesterday and anyone that was there heard the smack out of it, it was a proper belt that Maher got and he had a mark across his leg a half an hour later. That said mentioning Michael Rice has kind of blown your cover on this one, laughable indeed!

You must be getting confused? The swing back was with minimal force and connected with his thigh. There is no way you could hear a “smack” out of it and yes I was there.
It must not have been that bad as Paudie was still able to get himself in a row and in my view strike a Laois player between the time he was struck and the Laois player was sent off.

While it is a long time ago now, the Michael Rice incident deserves to be brought up as that was a cowardly one handed pull with much more force than the one he got yesterday which did serious damage. The fact that not even a free was given never mind a red card was incredible but KK never made a fuss about it demonstrating the theatrics of Paudie yesterday. It shouldn’t be forgotten that Paudie also struck Shefflin that day right in front of the referee and only got a yellow. You’ll also note that that the Rice incident was one (the other being Iarla Tannion breaking TJs knee cap in the final) that was brought up by the refereeing officer at the end of the year as a serious incident which needs to be punished.

In my opinion Breen’s pull which got him his first yellow was far more dangerous and could have done damage. I certainly heard a smack from that one.

But of course Paudie can do no wrong. It is beyond a joke the amount of times he wins soft frees by throwing his head back or grabbing hold of the opponent “charging out with the ball”. He his a great hurler but Jesus he gets away with murder.

terryrogers

Pogue eile wrote: »

Was at the game yesterday and anyone that was there heard the smack out of it, it was a proper belt that Maher got and he had a mark across his leg a half an hour later. That said mentioning Michael Rice has kind of blown your cover on this one, laughable indeed!

The only laughable thing here is trying to defend Maher for his antics. He was giving plenty to Dunphy yesterday then gets a harmless tap (definitely no smack to be heard) and quite obviously goes down feigning injury in order to get the man sent off. He didn't even need to gain the advantage as Tipp were never going to be troubled. The only thing he gained was robbing a 2nd tier player of finishing out his first and probably only AI QF game he will ever play in. Says a lot about his character.

The Michael Rice point is pertinent too and also shows his character. This was an actual dangerous swipe than effectively ended the hurling career of a player, and Maher never even acknowledged it. Not even a call or text to Rice afterwards to apologise or wish him any recovery. Great player,

citykat

Had to laugh listening to OTB just there. Actually it was laugh out loud. Denis (whose opinion i had little value on before but zero now) Walsh calling on the Cork county board to appoint Cusack as senior hurling manager. Far as i know Meyler (who comes across as a thorough gentleman) is still manager so there is no vacancy. As a Kilkenny man, I'd love to see Cusack as Cork manager. But seriously, Cusack?

Nic_Col

Powerhouse wrote: »

For someone who believe that "the favourites tag counts for absolutely nothing come match day" you sure do seem quite exercised by the possibility that Wexford might be landed with it.

I'll use brief bullet points to aid your understanding.

Sheedy twice referred to Wexford as "raging hot" favourites.

Nobody, Sheedy included, actually believes this.

Therefore I am questioning why he is going out of his way to say something he doesn't believe.

It's safe to assume he is attempting mind games on Wexford.

I'm saying it's a waste of time for him to do so, and he is kidding himself if he feels this will unsettle Wexford.

Do you follow now?

I couldn't care less who the favourites are, I have no ties to either Wexford or Tipperary. The latter will be slight favourites, there will certainly be no "raging hot" favourites which almost implies the result is already beyond doubt. This game could go either way, and one side claiming the other in this game are "raging hot" favourites is worthy of ridicule.

Powerhouse

terryrogers wrote: »

The only laughable thing here is trying to defend Maher for his antics. He was giving plenty to Dunphy yesterday then gets a harmless tap (definitely no smack to be heard) and quite obviously goes down feigning injury in order to get the man sent off. He didn't even need to gain the advantage as Tipp were never going to be troubled. The only thing he gained was robbing a 2nd tier player of finishing out his first and probably only AI QF game he will ever play in. Says a lot about his character.

The Michael Rice point is pertinent too and also shows his character. This was an actual dangerous swipe than effectively ended the hurling career of a player, and Maher never even acknowledged it. Not even a call or text to Rice afterwards to apologise or wish him any recovery. Great player, vile character.

Vile character?? Really? You know this do you?

Padraic Maher, I think you have just been thoroughly keyboard warriored.

Powerhouse

Nic_Col wrote: »

I'll use brief bullet points to aid your understanding.

Sheedy twice referred to Wexford as "raging hot" favourites.

Nobody, Sheedy included, actually believes this.

Therefore I am questioning why he is going out of his way to say something he doesn't believe.

It's safe to assume he is attempting mind games on Wexford.

I'm saying it's a waste of time for him to do so, and he is kidding himself if he feels this will unsettle Wexford.

Do you follow now?

I couldn't care less who the favourites are, I have no ties to either Wexford or Tipperary. The latter will be slight favourites, there will certainly be no "raging hot" favourites which almost implies the result is already beyond doubt. This game could go either way, and one side claiming the other in this game are "raging hot" favourites is worthy of ridicule.

What a waste of a whole lot of words. I couldn't care less what he said/or what you know he thought etc.

I simply commented that it was interesting that while you thought it made no difference it seemed to be your min takeaway from the entire day. It was an observation and didn't really require a reply. And certainly not one that just repeated the same thing again.

Nic_Col

Powerhouse wrote: »

What a waste of a whole lot of words. I couldn't care less what he said/or what you know he thought etc.

I simply commented that it was interesting that while you thought it made no difference it seemed to be your min takeaway from the entire day. It was an observation and didn't really require a reply. And certainly not one that just repeated the same thing again.

Couldn't care less yet you still replied, lol

If you play the man and not the ball, you have no right to cry if the man bites back.

Faiche Ro

terryrogers wrote: »

The only laughable thing here is trying to defend Maher for his antics. He was giving plenty to Dunphy yesterday then gets a harmless tap (definitely no smack to be heard) and quite obviously goes down feigning injury in order to get the man sent off. He didn't even need to gain the advantage as Tipp were never going to be troubled. The only thing he gained was robbing a 2nd tier player of finishing out his first and probably only AI QF game he will ever play in. Says a lot about his character.

The Michael Rice point is pertinent too and also shows his character. This was an actual dangerous swipe than effectively ended the hurling career of a player, and Maher never even acknowledged it. Not even a call or text to Rice afterwards to apologise or wish him any recovery. Great player, vile character.

There’s so much bullsh*t written above I don’t know where to start. People clearly don’t like Maher so they’ll make up clear lies just to confirm their own ‘vile’ opinions.

Firstly dunphy was the instigator holding maher’s hurley, so that’s the first lie
Secondly I definitely could hear the slap off mahers leg from the upper hogan- so there’s another lie.

The Rice incident (cannot believe ye can’t let that go) was a wild pull on a bouncing ball that missed, the hurley ran up rice’s and unfortunately connected with his hand - it was an accident, he didn’t mean to break rice’s hand. It’s hurling . It happens, get over it. I specifically remember tommy walsh pulling on a Damien hayes’s hand in tullamore one year. Could have done serious damage. Was a way filthier belt. Again it happens.

Christ it’s amazing how bitterness clouds peoples minds.

Lefty Bicek

Faiche Ro wrote: »

There’s so much bullsh*t written above I don’t know where to start. People clearly don’t like Maher so they’ll make up clear lies just to confirm their own ‘vile’ opinions.

Firstly dunphy was the instigator holding maher’s hurley, so that’s the first lie
Secondly I definitely could hear the slap off mahers leg from the upper hogan- so there’s another lie.

The Rice incident (cannot believe ye can’t let that go) was a wild pull on a bouncing ball that missed, the hurley ran up rice’s and unfortunately connected with his hand - it was an accident, he didn’t mean to break rice’s hand. It’s hurling . It happens, get over it. I specifically remember tommy walsh pulling on a Damien hayes’s hand in tullamore one year. Could have done serious damage. Was a way filthier belt. Again it happens.

Christ it’s amazing how bitterness clouds peoples minds.

It's also amazing how lack of comprehension has the same effect.

It was I who brought up the Rice incident.

I made no reference to it being a deliberate stroke, nor would I ever. Whether a stroke is deliberate or not has no bearing on how much it can/could cause injury.

I brought it up because I detest hurlers behaving like soccer players.

Since hurlers not making a show of themselves by play-acting like soccer woolly-woofters is what I wanted to refer to, thank you for mentioning Tommy Walsh. You know what I'm referring to.

farmerval

One of the things about Cork is they want to play this really quick game where they want to move the ball so quickly that opposition won't get near them.
Yesterday looked very like against Tipp in the first game in the round robin in Cork.
That day when Tipp had their puck out strategy beaten in the second half they had no answers. They are somewhat obsessed with their puck out strategy.
I nearly burst out laughing at the start of the Tipp Laois game on TV when Donal O Grady started on about the puck out strategy and how important it would be. Cork will never get away from Donal Og and puck out strategies.

Until Cork look to get away from their current style they will always have days like yesterday when teams refuse to let them play through them. In last years U21 final they were the better team but their obsession with a short passing game was their undoing. Sometimes teams have to muck in and make it happen.

The shocking thing yesterday was Kilkenny didn't have to do a lot to go 8 points up, a couple of soft turnovers and two /three frees and the game was up.

Stacksofwacks

citykat wrote: »

Had to laugh listening to OTB just there. Actually it was laugh out loud. Denis (whose opinion i had little value on before but zero now) Walsh calling on the Cork county board to appoint Cusack as senior hurling manager. Far as i know Meyler (who comes across as a thorough gentleman) is still manager so there is no vacancy. As a Kilkenny man, I'd love to see Cusack as Cork manager. But seriously, Cusack?

What do you mean but seriously Cusack? You'd swear he was a guy that knew nothing about hurling.. I think he would be a very good, bold choice for Cork, I'd have him down Waterford

Lefty Bicek

terryrogers wrote: »

The Michael Rice point is pertinent too and also shows his character. This was an actual dangerous swipe than effectively ended the hurling career of a player, and Maher never even acknowledged it. Not even a call or text to Rice afterwards to apologise or wish him any recovery. Great player, vile character.

It is about character, and it was far from an isolated incident on that day.

Maher was totally out of control. Ridiculous that he wasn't sent off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zzAIbUnhWw

farmerval

I wasn't referring to Donal Og as a coach, just when he is on rte as an analyst and also Donal O Grady, they are both obsessed with puck out strategies. Yesterday's game was won by Kilkenny refusing to let Cork play through the lines.
Cork had absolutely no plan B. Their whole set up was about a system of play that has let them down twice already this year.

As for Donal Og as a coach, I don't know if he offered much while he was in Clare. After Clare's exit in 2017 the Sunday game pondered what had Donal Og brought to Clare and the best the panel could offer was he got on really well with the players. I have no axe to grind about Donal Og as a coach I just think he's an outstanding self publicist.

washman3

average_runner wrote: »

Limerick got a win against a tired kilkenny team, cats will beat them this time setting up a final with Wexford.

Limerick's A.I win must have been the biggest fluke of all time.
Scraped over a tired and injury-ridden Kilkenny team, gifted a win in the semi when Cork blew a 6 point lead by having a poor subs bench to call upon, blessed to play another tired team,Galway in the final who should've been beaten by Clare in the other semi final, who in turn would've destroyed Limerick in the final. If Galway had hurled for 20 minutes in the final rather than 10 they would've won easily.
This is the general consensus of many,but not all, posters here.
Whether one agrees with it or not is a matter of opinion.

mountgomery burns

washman3 wrote: »

Limerick's A.I win must have been the biggest fluke of all time.
Scraped over a tired and injury-ridden Kilkenny team, gifted a win in the semi when Cork blew a 6 point lead by having a poor subs bench to call upon, blessed to play another tired team,Galway in the final who should've been beaten by Clare in the other semi final, who in turn would've destroyed Limerick in the final. If Galway had hurled for 20 minutes in the final rather than 10 they would've won easily.
This is the general consensus of many,but not all, posters here.
Whether one agrees with it or not is a matter of opinion.

I dunno if it's the general consensus but yeah people are far too happy to poke holes in yer success from last year. I guess it's the whole first all Ireland in 45 years effect.

Personally I think each win attested to the character and talent of those young hurlers, and I expect they will win a few more...this year included.

Lefty Bicek

washman3 wrote: »

Limerick's A.I win must have been the biggest fluke of all time.
Scraped over a tired and injury-ridden Kilkenny team, gifted a win in the semi when Cork blew a 6 point lead by having a poor subs bench to call upon, blessed to play another tired team,Galway in the final who should've been beaten by Clare in the other semi final, who in turn would've destroyed Limerick in the final. If Galway had hurled for 20 minutes in the final rather than 10 they would've won easily.
This is the general consensus of many,but not all, posters here.
Whether one agrees with it or not is a matter of opinion.

They beat what was put in front of them.

I would have said 2013 was the biggest fluke of all time.

Danville

big_drive wrote: »

Agree completely with you
It’s taken a couple of years but the takers seem to have got it spot on. Lots missed when rule changed first but the standard of finishing has really gone to another level this year

....but several have been hit inside the 21 imo.

lim4ev

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

They beat what was put in front of them.

I would have said 2013 was the biggest fluke of all time.

Ballsology record shows 2013: Clare. It doesn't say 2013 Clare **

** they didn't beat tipp or kk

robbiezero

Faiche Ro wrote: »

Firstly dunphy was the instigator holding maher’s hurley, so that’s the first lie
Secondly I definitely could hear the slap off mahers leg from the upper hogan- so there’s another lie.

Heard the slap from the Hogan stand also.

robbiezero

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

They beat what was put in front of them.

I would have said 2013 was the biggest fluke of all time.

Limerick were worthy winners alright and the best team in the country last year and look to have built upon that this year. Looks like a team that will be there or thereabouts over the next few years.

Not sure 2013 was a fluke, probably a bit of a soft one alright. Probably the two poorest teams to contest an All-Ireland that I can remember.

Lefty Bicek

lim4ev wrote: »

Ballsology record shows 2013: Clare. It doesn't say 2013 Clare **

** they didn't beat tipp or kk

They shouldn't have got a replay, is my meaning.

Last Stop

Faiche Ro wrote: »

There’s so much bullsh*t written above I don’t know where to start. People clearly don’t like Maher so they’ll make up clear lies just to confirm their own ‘vile’ opinions.

Firstly dunphy was the instigator holding maher’s hurley, so that’s the first lie
Secondly I definitely could hear the slap off mahers leg from the upper hogan- so there’s another lie.

The Rice incident (cannot believe ye can’t let that go) was a wild pull on a bouncing ball that missed, the hurley ran up rice’s and unfortunately connected with his hand - it was an accident, he didn’t mean to break rice’s hand. It’s hurling . It happens, get over it. I specifically remember tommy walsh pulling on a Damien hayes’s hand in tullamore one year. Could have done serious damage. Was a way filthier belt. Again it happens.

Christ it’s amazing how bitterness clouds peoples minds.

1. No one suggested that Paudie started THAT incident (well I certainly didn’t). Doesn’t make his reaction any better

2. Jaysus you must have some hearing to hear a hurl on skin slap some 30m away and to think the linesman some 5m didn’t hear it nor the RTÉ mics.

3. Wild pull and accident don’t go together. It was one or the other. If he pulled wild then it wasn’t an accident. It was one handed and he had no hope of getting the ball on the ground. The slip up the hurl theory was made up by Liam’s Sheehy at half time in that game. Marty called it at the time as a wild pull. It was the follow through that caught Rice. Unfortunate yes, an accident no.

4. These things don’t just happen. Just because a fellow county man does something wreckless doesn’t make it right. Furthermore, citing a similar incident by an rival county doesn’t make it right either. It also seems you can’t let go of the Tommy Walsh incident?

5. I never said I don’t like Maher. What I said was that he is a great hurler but gets away with a lot. He does.

Was he hit by a Dunphy? Yes
Did he go down softly? Yes
Did he strike one of the Laois players? Yes

Now can you point to a single lie in the above? and to be absolutely clear, there is a difference between a lie and a belief.

Last Stop

robbiezero wrote: »

Heard the slap from the Hogan stand also.

If the slap was that loud I’m certain the ref would have stopped the game. He was less than 10m from it and the linesman even closer.
Hurl on skin or even bone doesn’t make that much noise anyway especially compared to hurl on hurl. There was minimal force involved so while I’m not saying you didn’t hear it, I find it unlikely.

Powerhouse

Nic_Col wrote: »

Couldn't care less yet you still replied, lol

If you play the man and not the ball, you have no right to cry if the man bites back.

Yes, indeed I did reply. I'd have been happy to use smoke signals or something if that were an option, but it's difficult to say what you want to say without actually replying.

And thanks for telling me that you were "biting back" - I hadn't realised things were that serious. Consider me totally bitten. Some real hard men around here tonight.

seligehgit

Powerhouse wrote: »

Yes, indeed I did reply. I'd have been happy to use smoke signals or something if that were an option, but it's difficult to say what you want to say without actually replying.

And thanks for telling me that you were "biting back" - I hadn't realised things were that serious. Consider me totally bitten. Some real hard men around here tonight.

Mod Warning

Powerhouse please desist from the nit picking at fellow posters and tone down your aggressive posting style.

average_runner

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

They beat what was put in front of them.

I would have said 2013 was the biggest fluke of all time.

Limerick should of never of gotten extra time in the semi. Cork did what limerick did in 1994.

BloodyBill

average_runner wrote: »

Limerick should of never of gotten extra time in the semi. Cork did what limerick did in 1994.

You're incorrect there. Limerick pegged Cork back with points,nothing fortuitous about it. That Cork are flakey has been proven this year but that's their problem.

robbiezero

BloodyBill wrote: »

You're incorrect there. Limerick pegged Cork back with points,nothing fortuitous about it. That Cork are flakey has been proven this year but that's their problem.

Their bench is an issue, but I wonder about their conditioning too.
Was surprised when down in Cork earlier in the year watching the Tipp game, how meekly their challenge fizzled out in the last 10/15 minutes. Similar last Sunday and of course the Limerick game last year.

Gentleman Off The Pitch

I was walking down OConnell street to catch a bus home and I heard the slap on Maher's leg

slegs

robbiezero wrote: »

Their bench is an issue, but I wonder about their conditioning too.
Was surprised when down in Cork earlier in the year watching the Tipp game, how meekly their challenge fizzled out in the last 10/15 minutes. Similar last Sunday and of course the Limerick game last year.

The problem with Cork seems to be when the games turns up in intensity and becomes a battle that they don't have enough players for the fight. Their wing forwards go missing n a battle and in today's game you need battling wing forwards for that middle zone or you get outnumbered. They clearly have some of the most skillful forwards in the country but if they don't get that balance right I cant see them progressing beyond where they are now.

slegs

washman3 wrote: »

Limerick's A.I win must have been the biggest fluke of all time.
Scraped over a tired and injury-ridden Kilkenny team, gifted a win in the semi when Cork blew a 6 point lead by having a poor subs bench to call upon, blessed to play another tired team,Galway in the final who should've been beaten by Clare in the other semi final, who in turn would've destroyed Limerick in the final. If Galway had hurled for 20 minutes in the final rather than 10 they would've won easily.
This is the general consensus of many,but not all, posters here.
Whether one agrees with it or not is a matter of opinion.

Limerick will get very little credit for their ability from many until they win another.

SAMTALK

Last Stop wrote: »

If the slap was that loud I’m certain the ref would have stopped the game. He was less than 10m from it and the linesman even closer.
Hurl on skin or even bone doesn’t make that much noise anyway especially compared to hurl on hurl. There was minimal force involved so while I’m not saying you didn’t hear it, I find it unlikely.

I'm from Laois and I have to admit that yes I did hear the slap from the Hogan stand.

While Paudie Maher milked the incident we have to admit that Dunphy struck out with his hurl and this was a red card, regardless of anything else that happened.

Fair play to our boys on a magnificent run

Pogue eile

Last Stop wrote: »

You must be getting confused? The swing back was with minimal force and connected with his thigh. There is no way you could hear a “smack” out of it and yes I was there.


While it is a long time ago now, the Michael Rice incident deserves to be brought up as that was a cowardly one handed pull with much more force than the one he got yesterday which did serious damage. The fact that not even a free was given never mind a red card was incredible but KK never made a fuss about it demonstrating the theatrics of Paudie yesterday. It shouldn’t be forgotten that Paudie also struck Shefflin that day right in front of the referee and only got a yellow. You’ll also note that that the Rice incident was one (the other being Iarla Tannion breaking TJs knee cap in the final) that was brought up by the refereeing officer at the end of the year as a serious incident which needs to be punished.

terryrogers wrote: »

The only laughable thing here is trying to defend Maher for his antics. He was giving plenty to Dunphy yesterday then gets a harmless tap (definitely no smack to be heard)

Last Stop wrote: »

2. Jaysus you must have some hearing to hear a hurl on skin slap some 30m away and to think the linesman some 5m didn’t hear it nor the RTÉ mics.
.

Last Stop wrote: »

If the slap was that loud I’m certain the ref would have stopped the game. He was less than 10m from it and the linesman even closer.
Hurl on skin or even bone doesn’t make that much noise anyway especially compared to hurl on hurl. There was minimal force involved so while I’m not saying you didn’t hear it, I find it unlikely.

SAMTALK wrote: »

I'm from Laois and I have to admit that yes I did hear the slap from the Hogan stand.

While Paudie Maher milked the incident we have to admit that Dunphy struck out with his hurl and this was a red card, regardless of anything else that happened.

Fair play to our boys on a magnificent run

Fairplay to SAMTALK, honest posters are very rare here, its very funny how all the Maher haters are from KK?? A back handed compliment for Padraic I guess.

As for the above assertion that KK didnt make a big fuss about Michael Rice, thats comedy gold right there, here we are 7 years later and ye are still crying about it!

Lefty Bicek

Pogue eile wrote: »

As for the above assertion that KK didnt make a big fuss about Michael Rice, thats comedy gold right there, here we are 7 years later and ye are still crying about it!

You fail to comprehend.

People are making the valid and easily verifiable point that, unlike Paudie Neymaher, Michael Rice didn't roll around theatrically like he had been shot.

Neither did TJ Reid the same day, when Maher made a lunatic swing which connected, and which the referee chickened out of.

And neither did Richie Power the same day when Maher put his two hands around his throat.


Hurlers behaving like soccer players is a very bad scene. It should be condemned. When those hurlers are so-called hard-men, they should be derided.


As the poster you lavish praise on for his/her honesty said -

...Paudie Maher milked the incident...

average_runner

slegs wrote: »

Limerick will get very little credit for their ability from many until they win another.

Limerick will win more, they are a team that will continue to grow.

Pogue eile

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

You fail to comprehend.

People are making the valid and easily verifiable point that, unlike Paudie Neymaher, Michael Rice didn't roll around theatrically like he had been shot.

Neither did TJ Reid the same day, when Maher made a lunatic swing which connected, and which the referee chickened out of.

And neither did Richie Power the same day when Maher put his two hands around his throat.


Hurlers behaving like soccer players is a very bad scene. It should be condemned. When those hurlers are so-called hard-men, they should be derided.


As the poster you lavish praise on for his/her honesty said -

Ok so you claim to be so objective and neutral in your assesment and you are happy to bring up other incidents and players to support your opinon on Maher can you thus please offer your thoughts on Jackie Tyrell, his style of play, his book and his own confessions that he deliberaltey set out to injure players??

Lefty Bicek

Pogue eile wrote: »

Ok so you claim to be so objective and neutral in your assesment

No, I don't. By the same token I have referenced specific incidents backed up by video evidence. I'm by no means neutral though.

and you are happy to bring up other incidents and players to support your opinon on Maher can you thus please offer your thoughts on Jackie Tyrell, his style of play, his book and his own confessions that he deliberaltey set out to injure players??

Not his biggest fan. Didn't like his challenge on Callanan. Didn't like his book, but I don't believe everything I read anyway especially from evident self-promoters.

He'd have made the Tipp team every day of the week though, and ye'd have picked him.

That is all irrelevant to this thread though which is about Liam McCarthy Cup, 2019. Therefore no more whataboutery about players not involved in this campaign will be entered into.

Last Stop

Pogue eile wrote: »

Ok so you claim to be so objective and neutral in your assesment and you are happy to bring up other incidents and players to support your opinon on Maher can you thus please offer your thoughts on Jackie Tyrell, his style of play, his book and his own confessions that he deliberaltey set out to injure players??

What has a player who retired 3 years ago got to do with the actions of a current player? Does the bitterness that he won 9 All Ireland medals have anything to do with it?
I never said I hated Paudie Maher. What I did say was he made a meal of the contact. Again never once denied the contact but questioned whether the force was enough to cause such a reaction.
You still haven’t addressed the fact that Paudie struck a Laois player after the incident. Given you could hear the slap in the hogan stand, I’m guessing you had a pretty good view of that too?
Paudie is without doubt an incredibly skilful hurler but there’s a nasty streak in him too which deserves to be called out.


Regardless of Paudie, the one thing I took out of Sunday was that this Tipp team certainly won’t win the All Ireland. Arguably the most skilful hurlers in the country but when push comes to shove, they just don’t have it. The number of tight matches they have lost over the past few years have shown that. I don’t think Bubbles struck a ball on Sunday. John McGrath struck only a handful. The entire Tipp forward line scored a grand total of 1-7 from play. James Barry was poor at full back too. You can say it’s only Laois and that they were never in trouble but there are signs of what lies ahead. Whether it’s Wexford, Limerick or Kilkenny they will be shown up in either the semi final or final.

I’d fancy a Wexford to give it a good rattle with Hanlon doing a job on Callanan and the rest of the wexford backs easily having enough toughness for their men. Up front, either McDonald or Rory O’Connor is liable to do serious damage on Barry.

seligehgit

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farmerval

As a Tipp man I think we may be at the end of the road for 2019. James Barry is compromising us so badly and we have no alternative.

The single biggest disappointment for us is last years U21's are not making a case for inclusion, in their limited game time none of them are showing enough to say they really should be on the field.

Allied to the above is Jason Forde and Michael Breen's form, if Jason wasn't hitting the frees would he be starting?
The simple fact is our most important players this year were on the senior team in 2009.
Of those that have come through in the intervening time only Barrett, Ronan and John McGrath are undroppable, Bubbles is excellent on his game but inconsistent.
This year Brian Hogan, Sean O Brien and Alan Flynn are playing well but it is early days in their careers yet.

Grats

If Tipp do go on to win the Final, Sheedy will be a hero. However, should they not, big questions will be asked in regards sticking with too many of the old brigade. It's as if Sheedy is saying, Michael Ryan just couldn't manage them properly but I'll win with much the same team. Ryan came under pressure for dealing with amongst other things, indiscipline. He should be commended for it but Sheedy thought otherwise. Let's see if Sheedy's gamble pays off.

Ottoman_1000

mountgomery burns wrote: »

What's your basis for that claim?

I would have taught the evidence of the serious under funding/lack of interest from headquarters in the so called weaker counties was fairly obvious to anyone with a slight interest in our games.

If you ever get a chance listing to Cheddar Plunkett on the GAA hour podcast when he is on, he discusses the many issue he has had down through the years trying to get the most basic funding for the underage projects he was involved with for Laois only to be rejected the funds every time. Very good article on it here;

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0715/1062200-six-county-leinster-wont-fix-gaas-scandalous-failure/

My original posts was not to have a go a Dublin, as I do feel the Dublin hurlers were needed to improve things in Leinster and to their credit they have to some extent, I'd actually like to see the Dublin hurlers go on get to an All Ireland in the next few years (Obviously not at the expense of Clare).

But the point I was trying to make, was the GAA missed a big opportunity then as they had Laois, Carlow, Westmeath and Dublin as playing at a similar level in the 00's. These were 4 counties that were playing a level below the top tier but all had good strong hurling bases that could have been developed together. with their progress/lack off being measured against each other at the same time. It could have been a great blue-print going forward. Unfortunately that never happened.

Apologies for going off tangent on the subject topic.

Powerhouse

Grats wrote: »

If Tipp do go on to win the Final, Sheedy will be a hero. However, should they not, big questions will be asked in regards sticking with too many of the old brigade. It's as if Sheedy is saying, Michael Ryan just couldn't manage them properly but I'll win with much the same team. Ryan came under pressure for dealing with amongst other things, indiscipline. He should be comnenned for it but Sheedy thought otherwise. Let's see if Sheedy's gamble pays off.

It's unlikely you mean it to come across like this but this implies that Sheedy has an issue with Ryan dealing with indiscipline because he "thought otherwise". I doubt that's the case and doubt you meant that. But it could be read that way.

robbiezero

Grats wrote: »

If Tipp do go on to win the Final, Sheedy will be a hero. However, should they not, big questions will be asked in regards sticking with too many of the old brigade. It's as if Sheedy is saying, Michael Ryan just couldn't manage them properly but I'll win with much the same team. Ryan came under pressure for dealing with amongst other things, indiscipline. He should be commended for it but Sheedy thought otherwise. Let's see if Sheedy's gamble pays off.

Doesn't look to me like he had any choice.
What u20s do you suggest should start and instead of who?

Sheedy has already got far more out of the team than was got last year, when the team looked a mess.

RoyalCelt

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Pogue eile

farmerval wrote: »

As a Tipp man I think we may be at the end of the road for 2019. James Barry is compromising us so badly and we have no alternative.

The single biggest disappointment for us is last years U21's are not making a case for inclusion, in their limited game time none of them are showing enough to say they really should be on the field.

Allied to the above is Jason Forde and Michael Breen's form, if Jason wasn't hitting the frees would he be starting?
The simple fact is our most important players this year were on the senior team in 2009.
Of those that have come through in the intervening time only Barrett, Ronan and John McGrath are undroppable, Bubbles is excellent on his game but inconsistent.
This year Brian Hogan, Sean O Brien and Alan Flynn are playing well but it is early days in their careers yet.

James Barry has had a grand total of 11pts scored off him in 5 games, not a single goal and has never underperformed in a big game in Croke Park, Barry will be just fine against Wexford.

Jason Forde has scored 1-15 from play and is an excellent free taker so the answer is absolutely yes he is one of the first names on the team sheet. Fordes form is second only yo Seamie in terms of our forwards.

Breens form is a concern alright although I think he will get the nod for Sunday week simply becasue of his physicality and pace, which will be needed in the middle third where Wexford will attempt to crowd it out.

O'Brien and Flynn is an interestinig one, I have a feeling Flynn may get the nod, it appears that Sheedy has a prefernce to play O'Brien against the more conventional set ups - Cork and Limerick - and Flynn against the teams that play a sweeper - Waterfrod, Clare and Laois. O'Brien is a more tenacious man marker, Flynn is a more explosive and skillful hurler.

Incidently there are only 4 survivors from the 2009 team and it is hardly suprising that your four most experienced players will be your most important players. Noel McGrath was only 18 in 2009 and the other 3 were only just turned 20. The fact that the four of them were playing in what I consider to have been the highest standard AI ever at such an age is what is unusual not the fact that they are still playing.

farmerval

James Barry was cleaned out against Limerick and again he was poor against Laois. He doesn't have the pace for a modern full back. Back as far as 2016 he fouled rather than chance being skinned for pace.
He is a lovely extremely composed player in possession, when he's not exposed for pace he brings a great sense of calm to the backline. I believe that at this stage of the championship he will be targeted by opponents.
My comment about Jason Forde is less about him than the balance of our forward line without Bonnar. With reduced primary ball winners we have an unbalanced forward division where the superb score takers, Forde, Bubbles, John McGrath are not winning much primary possession.
If Bonnar were to be playing against Wexford our 5 most important players would be 10 years playing at this level. An outstanding personal achievement for each one, but the rub in my view for Tipp is that the players that came through subsequently and won the AI in 2016 are not stepping up as leaders of the team. The 2009 players will not go on forever but it looks to me that we will be looking to the next generation to lead the team not the players that came through post 2010

Pogue eile

farmerval wrote: »

James Barry was cleaned out against Limerick and again he was poor against Laois. He doesn't have the pace for a modern full back. Back as far as 2016 he fouled rather than chance being skinned for pace.
He is a lovely extremely composed player in possession, when he's not exposed for pace he brings a great sense of calm to the backline. I believe that at this stage of the championship he will be targeted by opponents.
My comment about Jason Forde is less about him than the balance of our forward line without Bonnar. With reduced primary ball winners we have an unbalanced forward division where the superb score takers, Forde, Bubbles, John McGrath are not winning much primary possession.
If Bonnar were to be playing against Wexford our 5 most important players would be 10 years playing at this level. An outstanding personal achievement for each one, but the rub in my view for Tipp is that the players that came through subsequently and won the AI in 2016 are not stepping up as leaders of the team. The 2009 players will not go on forever but it looks to me that we will be looking to the next generation to lead the team not the players that came through post 2010

James Barry wasn't playing full back against Limerick so thats completely irreevant to his capabilities as a full back, he was ths spare man against Laois and that is not a position that is ever likely to be let happen again, I will agree that his distribution and first touch were poor. Barry full back with Barrett in the corner beside him, I honestly cant think of a big game where he was beaten. Wexford will play 5 forwards most, which will make it very difficult for them to expose any full back - in their 3 games against Galway and KK where they went with their ultra defensive set up they have failed to raise a single green flag from play.

If we are talking about the forwards post Bonner, that's the last two games, Forde has been head and shoulders our best forward after Seamie, John McGrath has been brutal and Bubbles worse.

The 2009/2010 U21 team was a once in a generation team, they played a huge part in probably the two highest standard AI's ever and were part of the only team that ever went toe to toe with the greatest team of all time, how is it a surprise that there are still 4 of them - none over the age of 30 - still on the team - Limerick are favourites for the AI - which of the four would not make the Limerick team?