Why do you never see female bin collectors?

JohnnyFlash

Might come across as sexist, but I definitely think dudes are better at some jobs than women. Like I’d be very nervous crossing a bridge designed, engineered, and built by chicks. Especially if I was in a car designed, engineered, and built by chicks.

Beechwoodspark

There should def be gender quotas in this industry.

And not just binary heteronormative bin workers before ppl think I ain’t woke

sportsfan90

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

the other obvious issue of there being very few women on the job, so women wanting to do it feel intimidated.

But if there were quotas introduced then there being very few women in the job surely would no longer be an issue?

Funny enough that Board rooms and politics have also historically been male dominated but quotas are encouraged and rules brought in to be seen to "even things up".

Omackeral

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

I love how butthurt men always use this example when asking why women don't want equality for manual labour.

Aside from the obvious issues with women being physically smaller and weaker than men (on the whole) and the other obvious issue of there being very few women on the job, so women wanting to do it feel intimidated (I know a female bin collector and the 'banter' is verging on harassment sometimes), women are also busy doing plenty of other menial jobs, such as cleaning and working in care homes. I wonder how many binmen would like to spend their days wiping arses and cleaning up sick.

If that was true, you would have opened with that. Just suits a nice harrasment narrative to put it in the story.

Omackeral

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Like I’d be very nervous crossing a bridge designed, engineered, and built by chicks.

Don't go on a little known crossover called the Brooklyn Bridge, just in case. A chick oversaw much of its construction and engineering.

lainey_d_123

sportsfan90 wrote: »

But if there were quotas introduced then there being very few women in the job surely would no longer be an issue?

Funny enough that Board rooms and politics have also historically been male dominated but quotas are encouraged and rules brought in to be seen to "even things up".

Oh yes, because quotas work really well. Just ask any woman working in tech how it feels to be treated as a diversity hire, regardless of her qualifications and ability.

lainey_d_123

Omackeral wrote: »

If that was true, you would have opened with that. Just suits a nice harrasment narrative to put it in the story.

It is true. Don't tell me how to structure my posts.

Gael23

Where do bin collectors bring their haul these days? Not many dumps still open.

Odyssey 2005

Nails....simples.

Omackeral

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

It is true.

Deebles McBeebles

Gael23 wrote: »

Where do bin collectors bring their haul these days? Not many dumps still open.

Wicklow mountains usually.

sportsfan90

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Oh yes, because quotas work really well. Just ask any woman working in tech how it feels to be treated as a diversity hire, regardless of her qualifications and ability.

I agree with you, several qualified and capable women who are in a position based on their skill, experience and merit will have this thrown at them behind their back - that they only got the job for optics for the company and to fill quotas. It's not fair on those women at all. Another reason why I think quotas are totally unfair and a load of rubbish.

Omackeral

sportsfan90 wrote: »

I agree with you, several qualified and capable women who are in a position based on their skill, experience and merit will have this thrown at them behind their back - that they only got the job for optics for the company and to fill quotas. It's not fair on those women at all. Another reason why I think quotas are totally unfair and a load of rubbish.

Nice that you worked in the thread subject!

Gael23

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Wicklow mountains usually.

Not a bad final resting place for thousands of tonnes of putrid detritus that may never decompose.

Keyzer

We really need more women in waste disposal, its shocking how difficult it is for a woman to forge a career in this critically important field and, at this stage, its just not acceptable any more.

meeeeh

sportsfan90 wrote: »

But if there were quotas introduced then there being very few women in the job surely would no longer be an issue?

Funny enough that Board rooms and politics have also historically been male dominated but quotas are encouraged and rules brought in to be seen to "even things up".

I think we should also set quotas for university educated people to do waste collection. Because you know all the jobs are equal and wanting to be in management is just as attractive as being bin collector. There are whole pile of university educated men who are dying to become bin collectors but they are edged out by those with minimal qualifications.

lbc2019

Thinly veiled a woman tuk my promotion thread

meeeeh

sportsfan90 wrote: »

I agree with you, several qualified and capable women who are in a position based on their skill, experience and merit will have this thrown at them behind their back - that they only got the job for optics for the company and to fill quotas. It's not fair on those women at all. Another reason why I think quotas are totally unfair and a load of rubbish.

Isn't that more a reflection on petty small minded people who are prepared to discredit someone just on the basis of their gender. Why are men not worried that someone would say that they are in position just because all capable women were edged out so mediocre men could be employed. Are our male politicians so excellent that there is no woman in Tipperary who would be as capable as Mattie McGrath or Michael Lowry.

Sleeper12

It's a horrible job and I respect any man or women doing this work. Wages aren't great and the smell that comes out of the truck when collecting the brown bin on a hot summers day would put you in a coma.

Respect to these guys doing a tough job

BENDYBINN

Because all the hard physical work is left for the men to do....women just sit back and laugh!

irishgrover

Tacklebox wrote: »

I live in the edge of a village, the bastard's collect the bins at 5 am once a fortnight.
I don't care if Rupaul is driving.
But feck me, it's like a runway with all the flashing lights at 5am and thumping noise's...dunk dunk pdunk...

Contact your concil, there is usually a timeframe through which they are allowed to opperate.
We had same in our estate except at 4:30....contacted council, they informted us they were not allowed operate prior to 6am, and they contacted the bin men to remind them

lainey_d_123

Omackeral wrote: »

Don't worry, women are well used to being called liars when talking about any kind of harassment. That's the main reason it keeps happening. You'd literally rather pretend I'm making it up (why on earth would I do that?) than believe there's a problem. Just the same as the people who call sexual assault survivors (male or female) liars, and the same as the people who defended all the priests.

Slow clap for you.

lainey_d_123

meeeeh wrote: »

Isn't that more a reflection on petty small minded people who are prepared to discredit someone just on the basis of their gender. Why are men not worried that someone would say that they are in position just because all capable women were edged out so mediocre men could be employed. Are our male politicians so excellent that there is no woman in Tipperary who would be as capable as Mattie McGrath or Michael Lowry.

Of course it is but you seem to underestimate just how many of those people exist.

Gonad

endacl wrote: »

They send out regular emails. Check your trash folder.

If it’s not there please check your junk.

irish_goat

I worked for the local council in waste management for a few years. There were 2 women working in the department, 1 was a lorry driver and 1 was a street cleaning driver but did an occasional stint on bins. I never heard of another woman even applying for a job there.

Reasons would be the nature of the job; it's physically demanding, smelly and you'll end up working in close confines with a lot of men, which would put some women off. It also clashes with school hours so makes it less attractive to mothers.

Can't speak for wages in the south but in the north they get decent pay. There was an agreement with the unions to stop the "go home when you finish your run" policy but this is still in action. Hence binmen fly round the estates as quick as they can to get finished. Some would be starting at 7am and finishing for 12/1. They also get triple pay on holiday days and at Christmas they'd be lifting an average of £1000 each in tips.

meeeeh

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Of course it is but you seem to underestimate just how many of those people exist.

I don't think it matters. They can sulk in their subordinate position.

areu4real?

Some amount of utter shíte being posted in this thread. No men in creches?? Really? Wouldn't walk on a bridge a woman designed?? Fúcking seriously? The problem is not the difference between men and women, the problem is stupid people saying and doing stupid things. There are differences of course, but they're not as massive as people make out. I guarantee I can find a woman that could beat the shít out of most of us men, and I could find a man that will give you the best manicure you've ever seen.

The real issue is, as I said before, "us against them". No matter what your gripe is, that's the attitude that fúcks everything up. If you make a Venn diagram of men and women, in almost all areas they would cross over massively, with a small difference in the extremes on each end. Also social conditioning would play a big part, like the stigma around male nurses. I'm sure that has stopped a huge amount of men becoming nurses over the years. And I would imagine a female mechanic might have the same hangups. Again not all, but some.

Judge people on their merits and the chips will fall naturally. Some occupations will have imbalance in sex/race/religion and a hundred other factors. And so what? The world needs diversity as much as it needs conformity and he sooner people realise this the better.

Ave Sodalis

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Might come across as sexist, but I definitely think dudes are better at some jobs than women. Like I’d be very nervous crossing a bridge designed, engineered, and built by chicks. Especially if I was in a car designed, engineered, and built by chicks.

For the most part, I agree with the first sentence (and vice versa), but yes, the rest of that is just plain sexist.



Just as a few examples: There are some famous bridges designed by women (Brooklyn Bridge, Sydney Harbour Bridge). We would never have gotten to the moon if it wasn't for a woman, and the president and COO of SpaceX is female after starting as an engineer for the company. There have been multiple women who have played a key role in cars (Acura NSX, Nissan Titan, Chrysler, Volvo, Renault Scenic). In fact, a senior director for design in Volvo is a woman, as is a senior industrial engineer for Tesla, and a senior automotive product manager for NVIDIA. The VP of Cruise Engineering (self driving cars) is female, and the executive VP of GM's global manufacturing operations (who has won several awards).



So whilst men are generally better at some jobs than women, and women are generally better at some jobs than men... it doesn't mean that the women that do a job that men typically are associated with, do that job badly, and vice versa.

sportsfan90

meeeeh wrote: »

Isn't that more a reflection on petty small minded people who are prepared to discredit someone just on the basis of their gender. Why are men not worried that someone would say that they are in position just because all capable women were edged out so mediocre men could be employed. Are our male politicians so excellent that there is no woman in Tipperary who would be as capable as Mattie McGrath or Michael Lowry.

Yes of course it's a bad reflection on people who do that, I couldn't agree more. But I also think it's not right to give extra credit to someone based on their gender to the extent of positive discrimination / quotas.

I'm sure there are plenty of women (and men) in Tipp who could do a much better job than those two you mentioned. By the way both of them are Independents so quotas would change nothing anyway.

dinneenp

emilymemily wrote: »

Ive never seen a job advertised for bin collectors, how does someone become a bin man/woman?

Years ago I worked for the Cork council as a rubbish collector (probably had some fancier title). You'd go around the city with a brush & trolley collecting rubbish. Each day some were selected for the bin runs. Anyone who was doing the bin runs started earlier & finished when the runs were completed; much earlier than the standard shift.

Triceratops Ballet

Omackeral wrote: »

Don't go on a little known crossover called the Brooklyn Bridge, just in case. A chick oversaw much of its construction and engineering.

or the Waterloo Bridge in London, which was built by women during WW2

Omackeral

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Don't worry, women are well used to being called liars when talking about any kind of harassment. That's the main reason it keeps happening. You'd literally rather pretend I'm making it up (why on earth would I do that?) than believe there's a problem. Just the same as the people who call sexual assault survivors (male or female) liars, and the same as the people who defended all the priests.

Slow clap for you.

Evel Kneivel would be proud of that leap.

Church on Tuesday

KevinCavan wrote: »

With gender equality a hot topic now, we are likely to see many more female bin collectors.

I highly doubt it.

Boom_Bap

irish_goat wrote: »

I worked for the local council in waste management for a few years.

There was a female working on a bin lorry on the rout outside where I worked so its not correct to say there are none.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Deleted User wrote: »

I know a few lads that work on the bins. Apparently, once you don't mind the early starts, it's actually a handy enough job and a bit of a laugh. Relatively short days, I am lead to believe.

You don't see women doing it because 'ew that's yucky' and gender quotas only apply to higher up jobs that require a lot of effort to get into (quotas which directly discriminate against the suitably qualified men also aiming for the same jobs).

If that’s the case, why are most nurses women? You will encounter as yucky or even yuckier things as a nurse than a bin collector.

jimgoose

They do, indirectly. There's always a woman in the office who reminds the thick fuckers to get in the truck and go collect the bins.

Plopsu

You never see them because they are all highly trained ninjas. Bin collection is mostly a cover for their ninja activities.

Fifty grades of shay.

Women would be rubbish bin collectors anyway.

SoundsRight

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

For the most part, I agree with the first sentence (and vice versa), but yes, the rest of that is just plain sexist.



Just as a few examples: There are some famous bridges designed by women (Brooklyn Bridge, Sydney Harbour Bridge). We would never have gotten to the moon if it wasn't for a woman, and the president of COO is female after starting as an engineer for the company. There have been multiple women who have played a key role in cars (Acura NSX, Nissan Titan, Chrysler, Volvo, Renault Scenic). In fact, a senior director for design in Volvo is a woman, as is a senior industrial engineer for Tesla, a senior automotive product manager for NVIDIA. The VP of Cruise Engineering (self driving cars) is female, and the executive VP of GM's global manufacturing operations (who has won several awards).



So whilst men are generally better at some jobs than women, and women are generally better at some jobs than men... it doesn't mean that the women that do a job that men typically are associated with, do that job badly, and vice versa.

Sydney Harbour Bridge was designed by Ralph Freeman.

Brooklyn Bridge was designed by John Augustus Roebling.

And we'd have never have gotten to the moon of it wasn't for Nazi scientists.

tuxy

SoundsRight wrote: »

Sydney Harbour Bridge was designed by Ralph Freeman.

Brooklyn Bridge was designed by John Augustus Roebling.

Buzzfeed would disagree with you on that.

Ave Sodalis

SoundsRight wrote:

Sydney Harbour Bridge was designed by Ralph Freeman.

Along with Dorothy Donaldson Buchanan

SoundsRight wrote:

Brooklyn Bridge was designed by John Augustus Roebling.

Along with his wife, who later took over the project when he became ill.

SoundsRight wrote:

And we'd have never have gotten to the moon of it wasn't for Nazi scientists.

Well, I'm sure Margaret Hamilton's contribution played some small part in it too, especially when her was her programming that prevented the entire mission being aborted just as they were coming into land.

tuxy

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

Just as a few examples: There are some famous bridges designed by women (Brooklyn Bridge, Sydney Harbour Bridge).

Dorothy Donaldson Buchanan worked under Ralph Freeman as did many other people. Can you list them all? The lead designer is usually the first name that comes to peoples minds.

John Augustus Roebling designed the Brooklyn Bridge, his wife didn't help with the design but was an excellent communicator and a skilled writer of technical documents so she her input was vital in relaying the designs her husband make to engineers on site.

Ave Sodalis

tuxy wrote:

Dorothy Donaldson Buchanan worked under Ralph Freeman as did many other people. Can you list them all? The lead designer is usually the first name that comes to peoples minds.
John Augustus Roebling designed the Brooklyn Bridge, his wife didn't help with the design but was an excellent communicator and a skilled writer of technical documents so she her input was vital in relaying the designs her husband make to engineers on site.

I think you're missing my point. My first post was in reply to a poster that was nervous getting on a bridge that had anything to do with women. Whether or not she was the lead designer, she was still part of the process.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

If that’s the case, why are most nurses women? You will encounter as yucky or even yuckier things as a nurse than a bin collector.

G'way outta here with yer common sense. :mad:

BENDYBINN

mariaalice wrote: »

There was a female working on a bin lorry on the rout outside where I worked so its not correct to say there are none.

A nurse and a bin collector have similar jobs......I’ve heard it all now!!

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

BENDYBINN wrote: »

A nurse and a bin collector have similar jobs......I’ve heard it all now!!

They are obviously quite different jobs. But the argument is that women don’t like getting their hands dirty and can’t deal with yuckiness. Most nurses deal with yuckiness every single day. Yuckiness that probably some refuse collectors couldn’t deal with. Dressing a badly-infected bedsore, anyone? How about tending to a severe burns victim? Taking stool samples from the contents of a bedpan? Getting vomited on?

BENDYBINN

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

They are obviously quite different jobs. But the argument is that women don’t like getting their hands dirty and can’t deal with yuckiness. Most nurses deal with yuckiness every single day. Yuckiness that probably some refuse collectors couldn’t deal with. Dressing a badly-infected bedsore, anyone? How about tending to a severe burns victim? Taking stool samples from the contents of a bedpan? Getting vomited on?

The argument is women don’t like physical work.....

Ave Sodalis

BENDYBINN wrote: »

The argument is women don’t like physical work.....

Women are prevalent in the equine grooming world. That involves considerably more physical work than bin collection.

BENDYBINN

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

Women are prevalent in the equine grooming world. That involves considerably more physical work than bin collection.

Seven women in my office........not one will change a tyre....says it all!