The 'what have some travellers somewhere done this time? thread

Jerichoholic

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its not illegal.



Are you surprised? I bet you are

Most horses owned by travelers are looked after.
Clearly those horses are looked after and REALLY well schooled. Pacing is hard to school. Even in gaited horses.
And be honest with me would you really have enough experience with horses yourself to be able to tell the difference ?? I am not being funny but it kind of comes across like you don't.
Clearly there is zero abuse going on in that video. I am riding over ten years.
Don't call travelers subhuman and vermin. They are doing nothing wrong in that video. The horses look well cared for. They are a good weight their feet look good etc. Well groomed etc.
Lots of people ride their horses out on the road.
Of course some horses are abused. By settled people rich people etc but people don't see it because they don't know enough to know the diff they just know travelers BAD and they show themselves up as people you should not listen to.

Cool, let me just get some horses without licenses and about 50 cars and take over the motorway and speed down it for an hour without a care in the world.

Since it's perfectly legal.

ILoveYourVibes

Jerichoholic wrote: »

Cool, let me just get some horses without licenses and about 50 cars and take over the motorway and speed down it for an hour without a care in the world.

Since it's perfectly legal.

Its legal....there are calls to make it illegal but currently technically its legal.

Giving out licenses for it might be better than banning it though.

The state can build a harness racetrack etc.

And they do have licenses.

The Act tasks local autho
rities with establishing bye
-
laws and ‘control areas’,
areas to which bye
-
laws apply. In the control areas, a horse owner must have a
license f
or every horse that they own.
A licence normally lasts for a year.
T
his
license can be revoked if a horse offenc
e has been committed. Horses without
licenses in control areas can be impounded and in order to retrieve a horse
from a pound the horse owner must pay a penalty and must show they have
access to land registered as equine premises.
The local authority keeps
a
publicly available register of all licences issued.

https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/animalhealthwelfare/animalwelfare/TravellerHorseOwnershipResearchReport180718.pdf

Jerichoholic

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its legal....there are calls to make it illegal but currently technically its legal.

Giving out licenses for it might be better than banning it though.

The state can build a harness racetrack etc.

The state can build a prison instead of handing out suspended sentences.

ILoveYourVibes

I think its awesome and we should build facilities for it instead of banning it.

Horse racing gets lots of state sponsorship why should this?

I bet horse racing was an underground thing at one point!

Jerichoholic wrote: »

The state can build a prison instead of handing out suspended sentences.

Lemme guess in phoenix park?

Sulky racing is too awesome to be banned. Some people are just killjoys or jealous at the skill level shown.

We could incorporate it into horse racing etc!

Jerichoholic

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Horse racing gets lots of state sponsorship why should this?

Because it's cruel and dangerous.

ILoveYourVibes

Jerichoholic wrote: »

Because it's cruel and dangerous.

What is cruel and why? Be really specific.

No more cruel than any other sulky race tbh.

Build them a track then. Like in the states.

All this subversion just makes it cooler.

You could argue this is safer than on a track as there are only two horses to control. Probably way more accidents on normal sulky tracks.

You should look at stats on horse deaths in different horse sports. They don't look the way you think.

Things like dressage and eventing are like up the top.

Dressage can cause strain etc if done wrong and cause lameness then horses have to be put down.

Would you object to sulky racing on a race track?

ILoveYourVibes

THIS is cruel and dangerous.

Its not the sport its how its done.

Its also a testament to how good the horsemen in those videos are.

Respect.

You pass all the tests in the world do all the shows either you know your stuff or you don't.

Jerichoholic

I'm sure the horses love being tied up with a blue rope beside a rubbish tip in a halting site all day. Horses aren't supposed to run on busy motorways either. And I can assure you if you asked all those delightful gentlemen for their horse licenses they would laugh at you.

ILoveYourVibes

Jerichoholic wrote: »

I'm sure the horses love being tied up with a blue rope beside a rubbish tip in a halting site all day. Horses aren't supposed to run on busy motorways either. And I can assure you if you asked all those delightful gentlemen for their horse licenses they would laugh at you.

How do you know what horses are supposed to do?

Ride yourself do you?

From a scientific study on how travelers look after horses.

Irish Travellers are an indigenous ethnic minority group. Horses are an important part of Travellers’ lives, with horse ownership considered one of the last links to their nomadic way of life. Travellers keep, breed, and sell horses. Trotting and sulky racing are popular recreational activities. Traveller horses are often viewed as having poor health and welfare by the equine industry and the media although there is little data to support these views. This study aimed to investigate Traveller horse owners’ attitudes to horse care and welfare by using in-depth interviews and body condition scoring, a well-known tool used to detect welfare related conditions, to investigate Travellers’ understanding of horse welfare. The ease of use and accuracy of the body condition scoring tool as applied by Traveller horse owners was assessed. Results indicate that they had a good understanding of a horse’s natural behaviour, which is reflected in their management practices. A major barrier to improved horse welfare cited was land availability. Travellers were found to be able to use the scoring tool easily although further training is recommended. This study provides us with an understanding of how Travellers’ manage their horses. Further research is recommended with a larger sample group.

Traveller horses are often perceived to be exposed to poor welfare due to Travellers’ traditional way of horsemanship. However, few studies have investigated Traveller horse welfare. Hence, the present study aims to explore Traveller horse owners’ attitudes to horse care and welfare. Semi-structured interviews and discussion groups examined 14 Irish Traveller horse owners’ attitudes and approach to horse ownership. Additionally, a body condition scoring (BCS) instrument was assessed for its accuracy and ease of use when applied by Traveller horse owners. Additionally, the BCS system was used to assess 18 horses. Results show that Travellers have a good understanding of horses’ natural behaviours and environment, which is reflected in their management practices.

Jerichoholic

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

How do you know what horses are supposed to do?

Ride yourself do you?

From a scientific study on how travelers look after horses.

I don't but only a moron would think a horse should feel at home on a motorway full of busy traffic.

ILoveYourVibes

Jerichoholic wrote: »

I don't but only a moron would think a horse should feel at home on a motorway full of busy traffic.

Wish all horses were as comfy round traffic.
Hacks go out on roads all the time. And those horses obviously are.


Its how they train em in the us

Would you LOOK at that riders seat! I would DIE for a seat like that.

That below is not pacing by the way ..its single footing its a totally different gait to pacing which is in the Irish video. Its still for gaited horses though.

If we got the set up we could do this !


Training in the states ..oh so creeeeewwwwlll when Irish people do it.

ILoveYourVibes

oh so so creeeewwwwlll

:rolleyes:


This is the way they are trained in the states too.

Ha Long Bay

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

America

Ireland

oh so so creeeewwwwlll

:rolleyes:


This is the way they are trained in the states.

Ireland

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/outrage-after-sulkyracing-teens-allegedly-left-starving-injured-horse-to-die-on-road-36752827.html

https://www.thejournal.ie/sulky-racing-horse-4549849-Mar2019/

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Dead-horse-left-on-street-5a58a5cc-fd52-4164-928a-02ec5c8b5440-ds

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/coroner-s-court/boy-12-killed-when-thrown-under-truck-in-sulky-car-accident-1.3358932

ILoveYourVibes

john4321 wrote: »

Ireland

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/outrage-after-sulkyracing-teens-allegedly-left-starving-injured-horse-to-die-on-road-36752827.html

https://www.thejournal.ie/sulky-racing-horse-4549849-Mar2019/

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Dead-horse-left-on-street-5a58a5cc-fd52-4164-928a-02ec5c8b5440-ds

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/coroner-s-court/boy-12-killed-when-thrown-under-truck-in-sulky-car-accident-1.3358932

So ?

https://horseauthority.co/two-horses-die-weekend-cross-country-courses/

Do we ban all eventing?

Do we ban all horse racing?

24 horses died just on one track in less than one year.

http://time.com/5582343/horse-deaths-kentucky-derby/
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/racing/aintree-and-bha-to-undertake-review-over-festival-deaths-1.3852227

If you don't like it ...don't come riding.

7 horses a year at least die in eventing.

They get strain injuries in dressage etc.

Clearly the horse racing industry and eventing dressage industry know what they are doing.

Is this abuse too ? Or is just when travelers do it?


Also those horses in the video are obviously well cared for you are just embarrassing yourself now.

Lots of horses die in horse sport in Ireland its unfortunate it happens though. They don't get nearly so much heat as travelers do. Its all perception.

Its just an excuse for people who clearly don't care about horses so much as they just hate travelers.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its legal....there are calls to make it illegal but currently technically its legal.

Giving out licenses for it might be better than banning it though.

The state can build a harness racetrack etc.

And they do have licenses.



https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/animalhealthwelfare/animalwelfare/TravellerHorseOwnershipResearchReport180718.pdf

Children under the age of 10 trying to control a horse on a public road may not be illegal but is a recipe for disaster.
Horses galloping on hard road surfaces at speed, for long periods of time cannot escape injuries.
Travellers don’t want a special race track. Tis their desire to race on public roads wherever and whenever they want.

sligojoek

The bottom line.

KrustyUCC

Activist home attacked as illegal dumping crisis intensifies

Local activist against illegal dumping Noreen Murphy was attacked on Wednesday night when vandals dumped manure on her car outside her home.

Noreen Murphy has played a big part in getting the council to carry out a big clean up of the Ellis Yard site back in March, where over five tons of asbestos was removed.

On Wednesday night, Ms Murphy’s car was vandalised when someone dumped manure on her car. It’s unconfirmed what the motive is behind the attack but Murphy feels it is related to her active stance in illegal dumping.

An investigation is on-going with Gardaí examining CCTV footage from the area.
Speaking to The Echo, Murphy has said that if priorities were in the right place, this wouldn’t be happening.

Cork City Council have been in an ongoing battle to prevent the illegal dumping that has taken place in Ballyvolane area.

Last year, fire services were called to the Ellis’s Yard site 90 times due to waste being set on fire and on-site security had also been threatened, along with their security booth burnt down. Noreen Murphy told The Echo that people in the community, including her own family, do not feel safe in their own homes.

Councillor Kenneth O’Flynn has also spoken out against the illegal dumping, saying that enough is enough.

The site was hit again with more illegal dumping on Wednesday morning, as the council weigh up their options on how to put a stop to it. Cllr Kenneth O’Flynn has hit out against those who continue to litter the area, telling The Echo that enough is enough.

“Cork City is not available to facilitate illegal dumping,” O’Flynn continued, “enough is enough, we are taking back our city.” The rubbish that was dumped on Wednesday is being examined by Gardaí for any name or addresses, with prosecutions to follow for partaking in illegal dumping.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Activist-home-attacked-as-illegal-dumping-crisis-intensifies-f3443323-1513-4635-9b1c-51f81eef2ba4-ds

punisher5112

Where are the Gardai....

Simple solution put at least 2 in or around the site armed and up patrols.

Absolutely laughable they are nowhere to be seen and if it's the case they are too afraid then the army are available...

Oxter

punisher5112 wrote: »

Where are the Gardai....

Simple solution put at least 2 in or around the site armed and up patrols.

Absolutely laughable they are nowhere to be seen and if it's the case they are too afraid then the army are available...

The Irish Army do something useful in Ireland?
Apsrt from the bomb squad.
It should be used as a paramilitary police force as is the CRS in France - a reserve force for AGS with a highly visible profile on the streets

the dark phantom

Ellis Yard is hallowed land to the Travellers now, Not a hope in hell any issues there will be solved. As for closing the site, good luck, they won't be leaving.

Charles Ingles

punisher5112 wrote: »

Where are the Gardai....

Simple solution put at least 2 in or around the site armed and up patrols.

Absolutely laughable they are nowhere to be seen and if it's the case they are too afraid then the army are available...

Treat it like a concentration camp maybe?
They are human beings your talking about.
And that would be profiling based on race which is a no no.

Odelay

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Treat it like a concentration camp maybe?
They are human beings your talking about.
And that would be profiling based on race which is a no no.

Yeah, a yard with two armed guards to keep people out of, is like a concentration camp?? You’re it subtle enough as a wum. Room for improvement, need to put more effort into it.

the dark phantom

Odelay wrote: »

Yeah, a yard with two armed guards to keep people out of, is like a concentration camp?? You’re it subtle enough as a wum. Room for improvement, need to put more effort into it.

You don't even need guards to keep people out. No sane settled person would enter it. I'm a curious man but in the case of Spring Lane curiosity probably would kill the cat.

Charles Ingles

Odelay wrote: »

Yeah, a yard with two armed guards to keep people out of, is like a concentration camp?? You’re it subtle enough as a wum. Room for improvement, need to put more effort into it.

Why because I refuse to stand by whileTravelers are dehumanised that makes me a wum.
If some of the posts on this thread were about Jewish or colored people or any other ethnic minority, there would be bannings all over the place and people would be accused of racial hatred and incitement to hate

Odelay

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Why because I refuse to stand by whileTravelers are dehumanised that makes me a wum.
If some of the posts on this thread were about Jewish or colored people or any other ethnic minority, there would be bannings all over the place and people would be accused of racial hatred and incitement to hate

No it’s the comparing putting two guards to secure an empty yard to a concentration camp. That is a discussing thing to say, completely trivializes what people in actual concentration camps had to endure.

Oxter

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Why because I refuse to stand by whileTravelers are dehumanised that makes me a wum.
If some of the posts on this thread were about Jewish or colored people or any other ethnic minority, there would be bannings all over the place and people would be accused of racial hatred and incitement to hate

Charlie
Another thread you started was closed for 'wild and inaccurate speculation'
You are doing it again

Charles Ingles

Oxter wrote: »

Charlie
Another thread you started was closed for 'wild and inaccurate speculation'
You are doing it again

It's Charles.
Have a read through some of the posts on this thread and tell me I'm inaccurate

von Smallhausen

Oxter wrote: »

Charlie
Another thread you started was closed for 'wild and inaccurate speculation'
You are doing it again

That's what these little pixie headed gimps want. I have never seen so much defense for travellers by him and the other fella "ILoveYourVibes" in my life...even more so than the clowns in Pavee Point.
Heads so far up their own holes its just comical at this point.

Oxter

Charles Ingles wrote: »

It's Charles.
Have a read through some of the posts on this thread and tell me I'm inaccurate

I did. Troll.

Charles Ingles

Oxter wrote: »

I did. Troll.

Sorry didn't realise you were trolling, sorry still getting the hang of the internet

Oxter

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Sorry didn't realise you were trolling, sorry still getting the hang of the internet

In the closed thread in Legal Discussion, you referred to your serious mental health problems.

Charles Ingles

Oxter wrote: »

In the closed thread in Legal Discussion, you referred to your serious mental health problems.

Ok you want to mock me for that now do you?
Go for it I'm not ashamed of any mental health issues I've had in the past

normanoffside

The comments under the video are iteresting...

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=337864773585495

Paddy Cow

Oxter wrote: »

I did. Troll.

He's not a troll. Every now and again someone will come in and defend Travellers. There was a few who were rampant in the Margaret Cash thread. They're not trolling, more deluded.

punisher5112

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Treat it like a concentration camp maybe?
They are human beings your talking about.
And that would be profiling based on race which is a no no.

Are you slightly #### or what are you on about...

I never stated anything of that pure sh1te you're spouting.....


Gardai patroling is part of active policing and if an area is being taken over or destroyed daily then why not have a presence and put a stop to it.

retalivity

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Why because I refuse to stand by whileTravelers are dehumanised that makes me a wum.
If some of the posts on this thread were about Jewish or colored people or any other ethnic minority, there would be bannings all over the place and people would be accused of racial hatred and incitement to hate

(Whataboutery bingo)

punisher5112

normanoffside wrote: »

The comments under the video are iteresting...

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=337864773585495

Oh god I didn't think they were that dim.... Jaysus channel 5 what were you thinking.

Galwayguy35

Anyone who comes on saying that sulky racing on a public road isn't animal cruelty needs to have a word with themselves, the poor horses are pushed to exhaustion and it's also bloody dangerous to other road users.

And apart from all that there is the issue of them letting the horses roam wild on public property or like they have done here which is put them in fields when they think the farmer won't catch them.

ILoveYourVibes

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Anyone who comes on saying that sulky racing on a public road isn't animal cruelty needs to have a word with themselves, the poor horses are pushed to exhaustion and it's also bloody dangerous to other road users.

And apart from all that there is the issue of them letting the horses roam wild on public property or like they have done here which is put them in fields when they think the farmer won't catch them.

Do you think sulky racing/harness on a track is animal cruelty? Because i certainly don't.

Why not help travelers do this right?

Unless you are going to help people do a better job i don't feel we have the right to say anything.

I am telling you ireland could dominate these fools!

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Do you think sulky racing/harness on a track is animal cruelty? Because i certainly don't.

Why not help travelers do this right?

Unless you are going to help people do a better job i don't feel we have the right to say anything.

I am telling you ireland could dominate these fools!

Travellers don’t want a race track. They want to race on roads where they want, when they want

normanoffside

Deleted User wrote: »

Travellers don’t want a race track. They want to race on roads where they want, when they want

We need to build a skulky racing stadium beside every halting site. And a bare knuckle boxing ring. It's only right.

PCeeeee

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Do you think sulky racing/harness on a track is animal cruelty? Because i certainly don't.

Why not help travelers do this right?

Unless you are going to help people do a better job i don't feel we have the right to say anything.

I am telling you ireland could dominate these fools!

How are you helping Travellers do it right? I understand you are involved in equestrian activities, how have you attempted to include and involve Travellers?

Galwayguy35

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Do you think sulky racing/harness on a track is animal cruelty? Because i certainly don't.

Why not help travelers do this right?

Unless you are going to help people do a better job i don't feel we have the right to say anything.

I am telling you ireland could dominate these fools!

In my post I clearly stated it was racing on roads I was talking about where the horses are pushed to exhaustion and idiots behind them in cars filming the whole thing.

They shouldn't need to be told to do a better job, if someone owns an animal it's welfare is their responsibility.

ILoveYourVibes

PCeeeee wrote: »

How are you helping Travellers do it right? I understand you are involved in equestrian activities, how have you attempted to include and involve Travellers?

They are involved. :rolleyes:

I am not a charity i just do my thing ...sometimes you meet travelers doing the same thing

I used to volunteer at the DSPCA ..they often hold courses that include traveler kids.

Plus i am sure some are members of local pony clubs etc.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

Travellers don’t want a race track. They want to race on roads where they want, when they want

Pssht i think its just they have nowhere else.

ILoveYourVibes

Look as i said i volunteered for horse shelters i know more than anyone some people.travelers don't look after their horses.

I also know some people us that to tarnish all travelers.

Also you don't get anywhere making stuff illegal.

PCeeeee

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I am not a charity

Yeah. That's what I thought. All mouth. Good luck to you.

ILoveYourVibes

PCeeeee wrote: »

Yeah. That's what I thought. All mouth. Good luck to you.

Did you just read what i said. I volunteer on courses that help travelers learn how to care for horses.

My god. The virtue signalling in this thread ...

You don't help horses by tearing travelers down you build people up.

I am under no illusion that i am some horse savoir get a grip!

Most travelers know more about horses than i do ffs.

I am just a normal person.

ILoveYourVibes

Stuff travelers have done.

Won Olympic medals.

Charles Ingles

Travelers were sulky racing when the roads were made of dirt they are entitled to canter their sulklys a horse is entitled to be on a road one it's not a motor way or dual carriageway.
Couple of gob****es racing on a dual carriageway don't represent the traveling community.
The Travelers contribute far more to Irish culture and shouldn't be judged by a few fools