Do the school have a duty of care to make sure a child can enter and leave school saf

Steve

Unless the school can be shown to have been willfully negligent then its the parent's burden to pursue those responsible through the courts imo.

There seems to be too much 'it was someone else's fault' going on here.

dcfc91

splinter65 wrote: »

Why can’t you or the other parent walk the child in and out of the school?

Again, having a parent with the child was no deterrent the first time. They stood in front of the parent and the child walking through the school gate and when they were walking past them struck the child. The child is walked in and out of the school every day by a parent.

splinter65

Babs13 wrote: »

They don't. Absolutely not. But this is not likely to go away. Children first. You are not just responsible for a child's safety when they are in front of you. If you know of a danger to a child you are involved. Both kids here are potentially in danger from this parent

This parent will be in at plays etc. Should he be banned ? Certainly something the school should be considering

Right now the Gardai have an allegation that a child was assaulted by an adult outside of school hours away from school property whilst in the company of his parent.
I’m sure the Gardai are dealing with the complaint appropriately.
Why do you think that the school principal can ban a parent from the school based on another parents allegations ?

One eyed Jack

splinter65 wrote: »

How has the Principal got responsibilty for what happens to a child outside of the school outside of school hours, a child in the care of his parent?

The Principal on their own isn’t directly responsible for what happens to a child outside of the school outside of school hours, but the school, represented by the Board of Management, are certainly responsible for the welfare of all the children in the school, on or off school property.

dcfc91

Babs13 wrote: »

They don't. Absolutely not. But this is not likely to go away. Children first. You are not just responsible for a child's safety when they are in front of you. If you know of a danger to a child you are involved. Both kids here are potentially in danger from this parent

This parent will be in at plays etc. Should he be banned ? Certainly something the school should be considering

Thank you. Nobody is asking the school to take responsibility for what happened, the only person responsible is the one who hit the child. But this is a child who should be able to walk and out of school without being assulted. It’s a dreadful situation.

dcfc91

splinter65 wrote: »

Right now the Gardai have an allegation that a child was assaulted by an adult outside of school hours away from school property whilst in the company of his parent.
I’m sure the Gardai are dealing with the complaint appropriately.
Why do you think that the school principal can ban a parent from the school based on another parents allegations ?

The gardai are doing a great job. However, the problem is that while the investigation and prosecution goes on this child still has to go to school. And this parent has made it unsafe for them to walk in and out of the school gate. And will continue to do so, they have form for this kind of thing.

daheff

dcfc91 wrote: »

The principal has said it is nothing to do with them as it happened outside school property. Also advised not to bother involving the gardai as they will likely do nothing about it either.

This tells me all you need to know. Take the child to hospital, then go to Gardai & then report the incident to Dept of Education & Tulsa.

Steve

dcfc91 wrote: »

Thank you. Nobody is asking the school to take responsibility for what happened, the only person responsible is the one who hit the child. But this is a child who should be able to walk and out of school without being assulted. It’s a dreadful situation.

Not saying it's acceptable in any way, all the school can do in real terms about it is the same as any other citizen and that is to report it to the authorities.

Would you prefer if the 'school' employed 'security staff' who - at their discretion - could sanction parents for actions they didn't like? or would you prefer the law was upheld by those actually tasked and empowered with upholding it?

splinter65

dcfc91 wrote: »

Again, having a parent with the child was no deterrent the first time. They stood in front of the parent and the child walking through the school gate and when they were walking past them struck the child. The child is walked in and out of the school every day by a parent.

You’re looking for someone else to deal with an issue for your child that is your issue to deal with. The school can’t act against the other parent on your say so.

splinter65

Babs13 wrote: »

They don't. Absolutely not. But this is not likely to go away. Children first. You are not just responsible for a child's safety when they are in front of you. If you know of a danger to a child you are involved. Both kids here are potentially in danger from this parent

This parent will be in at plays etc. Should he be banned ? Certainly something the school should be considering

If the principal banned every parent that another parent complains about, with no Garda report to refer to, how do you think that would pan out? For the school I mean?

Wesser

dcfc91 wrote: »

Again, having a parent with the child was no deterrent the first time. They stood in front of the parent and the child walking through the school gate and when they were walking past them struck the child. The child is walked in and out of the school every day by a parent.

If having a parent with tbe child was no deterrent ... then what could the school.posdibl6y do that would be a deterrent?

Surely there is no greater deterrent than a Parent?

lawred2

Whatever about the duty of care - why on earth would the principle discourage going to the guards?

A child was assaulted by an adult..

Bizarre to discourage getting the guards involved.

Unless there was a cultural element to this?

Peregrinus

dcfc91 wrote: »

The gardai are doing a great job. However, the problem is that while the investigation and prosecution goes on this child still has to go to school. And this parent has made it unsafe for them to walk in and out of the school gate. And will continue to do so, they have form for this kind of thing.

The bottom line here is that the school stands in loco parentis. Which means, among other things, that any duty of care which the school has is the same duty of care that the child's parent has. And if the parent was actually present on the occasion then (a) the school is off the hook, and (b) if the assault on the child is attributable to anybody's want of care, it's the parent's want of care.

Stop trying to analyse this in terms of the school being in breach of a legal duty. Seriously, it will take you very far down a blind alley. Yes, the school may have a role to play in resolving this situation - hard to say what role, since we have no real picture of the situation - but bleating about duty of care and framing the whole thing as a liablity for the school can only make the school defensive and anagonistic, which is going to be no help at all to the child.

Victor

In practical terms, are there alternative entrances (or times) that could be allocated to both sides.

The J Stands for Jay

eviltwin wrote: »

The school can't do anything once he's off the grounds. i

It never stops them from trying to discipline kids for things that happened outside the school, outside school hours.

Peregrinus

McGaggs wrote: »

It never stops them from trying to discipline kids for things that happened outside the school, outside school hours.

Yes, but that's because the school has an authority over pupils that it doesn't have over their parents.

Teddy Daniels

Sorry op but did a grown man hit your 7 year old son? Is that what happened ?