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Conor McGregor thread (MMA Talk Only - Read 1st Post Before Posting)

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    #302
    projectgtr
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    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    Was that song even in English?

    No, American


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    #303
    JohnMc1
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    paulieeye wrote: »
    For a man who doesnt give excuses, he gives alot of excuses

    If he's so sure Khabib is scared of him and he'll win the rematch it would have happened by now.


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    #304
    JohnMc1
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    projectgtr wrote: »
    No, American

    Even Americans have a better grasp of English than that garbage.


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    #305
    Man Vs ManUre
    Registered Users Posts: 5,314 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    If he's so sure Khabib is scared of him and he'll win the rematch it would have happened by now.

    I think it is khabib’s side that is more reluctant to commit to the rematch. Not because he thinks he would lose it, but more because it’s a bigger punishment to Conor to deprive him of the chance to redeem himself.
    Khabib has become a superstar as result of that fight, more so than he will get from any future fight. Now all he has to do to make more millions is show up at events and speak about it. And if he fights for another few years and remains undefeated before he retires, even if he keeps refusing to fight Conor again, his legend status will remain unchanged, and he will continue to make millions.
    I hope the rematch will happen, there is nothing better than a Conor fight and the more challenging competitor the better.


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    #306
    ricero
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    Khabib is an different animal and a challenge that McGregor cannot conquer. Khabib is a modern day warrior, no man will dethrone him in the Ufc at 155 pounds.


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    #307
    ASOT
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    Just watched this today, I'd love to see him v Khabib. If he could stop the takedown itd be some scrap. There's a clip from his first fight where he didn't know how to throw a dig and got two nasty slams. Mad that he doesn't use his biggest attribute.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tooHXjrwrtk


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    #308
    Ultimate Seduction
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    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    I think it is khabib’s side that is more reluctant to commit to the rematch. Not because he thinks he would lose it, but more because it’s a bigger punishment to Conor to deprive him of the chance to redeem himself.
    Khabib has become a superstar as result of that fight, more so than he will get from any future fight. Now all he has to do to make more millions is show up at events and speak about it. And if he fights for another few years and remains undefeated before he retires, even if he keeps refusing to fight Conor again, his legend status will remain unchanged, and he will continue to make millions.
    I hope the rematch will happen, there is nothing better than a Conor fight and the more challenging competitor the better.

    We'll see about him being a superstar when he fights next. I'll have any money with you it won't sell 1m


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    #309
    Man Vs ManUre
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    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    We'll see about him being a superstar when he fights next. I'll have any money with you it won't sell 1m

    Khabib vs Poirier won’t sell well I agree. Poirier brings no drama to the fight so buildup will be dull, tho doesn’t mean he can’t beat khabib. Maybe fact that it will be happening in Dubai means it will sell more outside of US. Khabib vs Ferguson would have sold a lot more, tho still nowhere near Conor levels.
    No other can sell like Conor, which makes it such a shame that he fights so rarely now. I know he just injured his arm, so looks like autumn at the earliest that he will fight. And he doesn’t seem keen on fighting anyone other than khabib for the title.


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    #310
    Man Vs ManUre
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    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    Khabib vs Poirier won’t sell well I agree. Poirier brings no drama to the fight so buildup will be dull, tho doesn’t mean he can’t beat khabib. Maybe fact that it will be happening in Dubai means it will sell more outside of US. Khabib vs Ferguson would have sold a lot more, tho still nowhere near Conor levels.
    No other can sell like Conor, which makes it such a shame that he fights so rarely now. I know he just injured his arm, so looks like autumn at the earliest that he will fight. And he doesn’t seem keen on fighting anyone other than khabib for the title.

    Abu Dhabu I mean.


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    #311
    Tazzimus
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    ricero wrote: »
    Khabib is an different animal and a challenge that McGregor cannot conquer. Khabib is a modern day warrior, no man will dethrone him in the Ufc at 155 pounds.

    I reckon Tony would.
    Justin would give him serious trouble as well if he'd actually use his wrestling.


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    #312
    evil_seed
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    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    If he's so sure Khabib is scared of him and he'll win the rematch it would have happened by now.

    what about their suspensions?


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    #313
    ASOT
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    evil_seed wrote: »
    what about their suspensions?

    That doesn't fit the narrative mate I wouldn't even bother.


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    #314
    Man Vs ManUre
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    Imagine if Conor was fighting as often as Holloway has the past few years. Or even just as often as he fought in 2015/16. All of our lives would have been so much better. Does too much of a good thing actually exist??
    I really miss the old Conor but sadly we are lucky now to see him fight once per year. Terrible to see how money and super stardom fame changed him. Even when Mayweather was at his prime he fought more often.


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    #315
    pastorbarrett
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    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    Imagine if Conor was fighting as often as Holloway has the past few years. Or even just as often as he fought in 2015/16. All of our lives would have been so much better. Does too much of a good thing actually exist??
    I really miss the old Conor but sadly we are lucky now to see him fight once per year. Terrible to see how money and super stardom fame changed him. Even when Mayweather was at his prime he fought more often.

    Sure, but why fight when you don't want or have to? Fans and detractors alike probably can agree his commitment to training/fighting lessened somewhat post-Mayweather. In fact, we might still be in this phase right now.

    He's done enough. Perhaps not in a Cowboy/RDA/Max sense etc, but in every other metric associated with being a sports star. Disappointing? Perhaps, but it's not like togging out for football.


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    #316
    Boom_Bap
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    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    I really miss the old Conor but sadly we are lucky now to see him fight once per year. Terrible to see how money and super stardom fame changed him.


    Well, he was suspended and it's the UFC that aren't making a fight for him......as well as his rumoured conditions about being main event only.


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    #317
    Ultimate Seduction
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    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    Imagine if Conor was fighting as often as Holloway has the past few years. Or even just as often as he fought in 2015/16. All of our lives would have been so much better. Does too much of a good thing actually exist??
    I really miss the old Conor but sadly we are lucky now to see him fight once per year. Terrible to see how money and super stardom fame changed him. Even when Mayweather was at his prime he fought more often.

    I miss the activity alright and the aura of invincibility he had pre Diaz .


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    #318
    Fall_Guy
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    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    I miss the activity alright and the aura of invincibility he had pre Diaz .

    Did he ever have an aura of invincibility?? I don't remember that being the general vibe after any fight he had, it always seemed to be skewed the other way really, in that most were saying he was very beatable even after really impressive performances....."wait until he fights someone better / his own size / with good wrestling" etc....

    If anything what I enjoyed most was him proving the naysayers wrong and backing up his seemingly big talk on fight night. Of course the flipside of that is when he didn't manage to follow through on his own hype people viewed his losses as absolute drubbings and embarrassments based on what he said pre-fight rather than what happened in-fight....

    The Khabib fight being a great example. I can only imagine that if Poirier gets the pasting that Mcgregor got in the 2nd round and comes back to win the next round while eventually succumbing later, people will praise him as a warrior with the heart of a lion for surviving the onslaught earlier. Mcgregor on the other hand is labelled a quitter and a "tap machine" when in reality he showed serious toughness to make it out of the 2nd!


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    #319
    Ultimate Seduction
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    After Aldo there was definitely an aura of invincibility. Easy say there wasn't in hindsight. At that stage he'd beaten the Jiu Jitsu guy who was supposed to beat him, beating the wrestler, an KO'd the unbeatable Aldo with 1 punch.


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    #320
    Man Vs ManUre
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    Fall_Guy wrote: »
    Did he ever have an aura of invincibility?? I don't remember that being the general vibe after any fight he had, it always seemed to be skewed the other way really, in that most were saying he was very beatable even after really impressive performances....."wait until he fights someone better / his own size / with good wrestling" etc....

    If anything what I enjoyed most was him proving the naysayers wrong and backing up his seemingly big talk on fight night. Of course the flipside of that is when he didn't manage to follow through on his own hype people viewed his losses as absolute drubbings and embarrassments based on what he said pre-fight rather than what happened in-fight....

    The Khabib fight being a great example. I can only imagine that if Poirier gets the pasting that Mcgregor got in the 2nd round and comes back to win the next round while eventually succumbing later, people will praise him as a warrior with the heart of a lion for surviving the onslaught earlier. Mcgregor on the other hand is labelled a quitter and a "tap machine" when in reality he showed serious toughness to make it out of the 2nd!

    After he beat Alvarez so easily he did have an aura of invincibility, he was on top of the world.
    Nobody can blame him for going down the Mayweather road considering the amount of money on offer. But I thought he should have immediately gone back to UFC after it, as he was in such great shape at the time and his boxing skills would have been better than ever.
    I’ve never seen Conor is better shape physically than going into the Mayweather fight.
    It’s a shame he instead went on a 1 year bender after that fight.


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    #321
    Fall_Guy
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    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    After Aldo there was definitely an aura of invincibility. Easy say there wasn't in hindsight. At that stage he'd beaten the Jiu Jitsu guy who was supposed to beat him, beating the wrestler, an KO'd the unbeatable Aldo with 1 punch.

    You might be right, and it may be me revising things in hindsight, but after the Mendes fight I remember plenty claiming he got out of jail, Chad was just off the couch and still grounded mcgregor with ease etc....if anything it seemed to strengthen the belief that he was there for the taking at the hands of a strong wrestler.

    Likewise with the Aldo fight, the nature of the ending left plenty claiming it was a flash KO that was unlikely to be replicated in a rematch.

    Ironically post-Alvarez fight was when I feel there was the greatest consensus that he was the real deal. A shame for fans from a sport perspective that he chose that time to follow a different path.


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    #322
    Tazzimus
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    The Mendes excuse was brought out by people, possibly not realising that he has one of, if not the best, double leg in the UFC.


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    #323
    Man Vs ManUre
    Registered Users Posts: 5,314 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    The main obstacle now to fighting, apart from injuries, seems to be that Conor still insists on getting the most pay, being the headliner and fighting for the title.
    I guess I can understand him asking for most pay as he is still the highest PPV and no other fighter brings the same level of excitement to it, in all of pre, post and during fight.
    But unless there is a title fight every 3 months then he has no right to insist on that. And if the ufc stick to their rule that headliner has to be a title fight then that rules out that.
    I think Conor should have fought either Max or Dustin for the interim in that recent fight. Had he won he would have had a legitimate claim to go straight back for redemption vs khabib later in the year.


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    #324
    evil_seed
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    Fall_Guy wrote: »
    Did he ever have an aura of invincibility?? I don't remember that being the general vibe after any fight he had, it always seemed to be skewed the other way really, in that most were saying he was very beatable even after really impressive performances....."wait until he fights someone better / his own size / with good wrestling" etc....

    If anything what I enjoyed most was him proving the naysayers wrong and backing up his seemingly big talk on fight night. Of course the flipside of that is when he didn't manage to follow through on his own hype people viewed his losses as absolute drubbings and embarrassments based on what he said pre-fight rather than what happened in-fight....

    The Khabib fight being a great example. I can only imagine that if Poirier gets the pasting that Mcgregor got in the 2nd round and comes back to win the next round while eventually succumbing later, people will praise him as a warrior with the heart of a lion for surviving the onslaught earlier. Mcgregor on the other hand is labelled a quitter and a "tap machine" when in reality he showed serious toughness to make it out of the 2nd!

    Are you forgetting all the fouling that McGregor did that allowed him to survive?


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    #325
    BigMo1
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    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    The main obstacle now to fighting, apart from injuries, seems to be that Conor still insists on getting the most pay, being the headliner and fighting for the title.
    I guess I can understand him asking for most pay as he is still the highest PPV and no other fighter brings the same level of excitement to it, in all of pre, post and during fight.
    But unless there is a title fight every 3 months then he has no right to insist on that. And if the ufc stick to their rule that headliner has to be a title fight then that rules out that.
    I think Conor should have fought either Max or Dustin for the interim in that recent fight. Had he won he would have had a legitimate claim to go straight back for redemption vs khabib later in the year.

    TBF, they've never actively enforced that as a rule. Conor fought Chad for the interim FW belt ahead of the undisputed WW title, also the first Nate fight headlined ahead of Holm/Tate.


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    #326
    aloooof
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    BigMo1 wrote: »
    TBF, they've never actively enforced that as a rule. Conor fought Chad for the interim FW belt ahead of the undisputed WW title, also the first Nate fight headlined ahead of Holm/Tate.

    I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they have enforced it since the buyout tho.


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    #327
    BigMo1
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    aloooof wrote: »
    I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they have enforced it since the buyout tho.

    Possibly. I think it's incredibly short-sighted of them though. The reality is Conor remains the biggest draw by some distance. Any title fight after a McGregor fight would feel anticlimactic.


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    #328
    aloooof
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    BigMo1 wrote: »
    Possibly. I think it's incredibly short-sighted of them though. The reality is Conor remains the biggest draw by some distance. Any title fight after a McGregor fight would feel anticlimactic.

    Completely agree.


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    #329
    Fall_Guy
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    evil_seed wrote: »
    Are you forgetting all the fouling that McGregor did that allowed him to survive?

    Actually haven't watched the fight back since a rewatch of it the day after it happened, so I may well be. But if I recall, the most blatant examples were when Khabib was trying to work from dominant positions (I seem to remember a knee to the head of Khabib when he looked all but certain to finish a kimura anyway, and possibly some fence-grabbing and glove-holding) but what struck me as impressive was how he took some serious bombs from Khabib with Khabib in standing position or fully postured up, opening up in a way he usually doesn't, really looking to finish the fight there and then. Was really impressed with how he gutted it out and came back relatively strongly in the next round.

    To me Mcgregor was purely overmatched in the fight, but the prevailing narrative seems to be he didn't have the stomach for it. Like I said, if you put Poirier in to that Khabib fight and changed nothing else about how the fight played out, my feeling is that Poirier would be lauded as a warrior for toughing it out before succumbing to exhaustion.


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    #330
    Mellor
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    aloooof wrote: »
    I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they have enforced it since the buyout tho.

    Conor v Nate


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    #331
    Fromvert
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    Mellor wrote: »
    Conor v Nate

    Probably an acceptable exception since it was booked a month before the takeover.


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