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Conor McGregor thread (MMA Talk Only - Read 1st Post Before Posting)

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    #3842
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,764 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    spix wrote: »
    I think them winning is much more important for earning more money in the future, so they wouldn't want to compete in these kind of circumstances but they still are. Conor could show up, win, lose, whatever, it doesn't matter, he'd still get millions this and next fight. Doesn't matter how rich you are, everyone wants more money. So I really don't see why he would turn down this fight other than he wasn't being serious when he said he'd take it if someone dropped out.

    They'll have to pay the bills in the present though before they get to the future; the training camps, coaches, travel and all the everyday costs everybody has. They'll need the money from an upcoming fight, it's probably already been budgeted for. McGregor and Khabib won't, they can afford to wait it out, if they want more money they can just wait a few months and make it then, neither have shown any inclination to rush out to make more the last years so why would they need to now


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    #3843
    spix
    Registered Users Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭spix


    riffmongous wrote: »
    They'll have to pay the bills in the present though before they get to the future; the training camps, coaches, travel and all the everyday costs everybody has. They'll need the money from an upcoming fight, it's probably already been budgeted for. McGregor and Khabib won't, they can afford to wait it out, if they want more money they can just wait a few months and make it then, neither have shown any inclination to rush out to make more the last years so why would they need to now


    They don't need to, its just Conor was going on and on about how often he wanted to fight this year and how the whole reason behind fighting cerrone at 170 was so he wouldn't have to cut weight twice in a short period as he was expecting to slot into ufc 249 if one dropped out. Then this happens and silence.

    You'd think he'd put out a statement explaining how he wont fight due to the situation. Or throw a jab at khabib as it was pretty stupid he'd leave the USA alone whilst all other parties involved remained there. He shouldn't have moved anywhere until the location was confirmed or everyone else involved in the fight (ufc+tony) was traveling also.

    But Conor is just acting like nothing happened when its big news in his division, the fight everyone was waiting for after being cancelled 4 times before and he has nothing to say? I know the coronavirus situation is terrible and all but it hasn't stopped other fighters from their usual trash talking, lets not pretend conor is just more respectful than them by being silent during the pandemic.


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    #3844
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,332 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    spix wrote: »
    They don't need to, its just Conor was going on and on about how often he wanted to fight this year and how the whole reason behind fighting cerrone at 170 was so he wouldn't have to cut weight twice in a short period as he was expecting to slot into ufc 249 if one dropped out. Then this happens and silence

    You'd think he'd put out a statement explaining how he wont fight due to the situation. Or throw a jab at khabib as it was pretty stupid he'd leave the USA alone whilst all other parties involved remained there. He shouldn't have moved anywhere until the location was confirmed or everyone else involved in the fight (ufc+tony) was traveling also.

    But Conor is just acting like nothing happened when its big news in his division, the fight everyone was waiting for after being cancelled 4 times before and he has nothing to say? I know the coronavirus situation is terrible and all but it hasn't stopped other fighters from their usual trash talking, lets not pretend conor is just more respectful than them by being silent during the pandemic.
    Having it in the states is unclear, it doesn't even appear to have a venue.
    If Conor was to fly into the states he'd have to isolate. Conor, or any overseas fighter being the replacement, isn't really an option. I don't think making statement has a purpose.


    The US is screwed. I don't blame anyone for getting out when they can given the disregard Trump has shown the situation.


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    #3845
    snoopboggybog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭snoopboggybog


    The USA is will continue to get worse and worse with CoronoaVirus. Just look at New York.

    People giving about Conor with this crisis is just pathetic. Will he fight and stay isolated from his children and family for a few weeks after going home.

    Time is on Conor's side and not on Tony's side.

    He doesn't need this fight. Doesn't need to fight behind closed doors.

    Conor is 31. He has plenty of time.

    He is waiting for the winner of this fight and will fight then and wouldn't blame him in the slightest.

    He's worth 100 million or more, why do two fights when you can just do one of the winner of Khabib versus Tony and see what happens.


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    #3846
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    spix wrote: »
    You'd think he'd put out a statement explaining how he wont fight due to the situation.

    Why would he need to do this, the world knows about Covid-19 and the need to minimise interaction with others.
    Expecting him to travel to another country that's massively infected is just moronic. America hasn't even started to see the worst of this yet.

    He's doing the right thing and staying out of it while all this is going on.
    Khabib also did the right thing by flying home from UAE to be with his family while he was able to get to them.


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    #3847
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,406 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Tazzimus wrote:
    Khabib also did the right thing by flying home from UAE to be with his family while he was able to get to them.
    He flew from the US to the UAE to Russia. How is that doing the right thing? The right thing was to stay in the US and stay safe.


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    #3848
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,406 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    PyreOfHellfire wrote:
    I hold a lot against Conor and this is just another thing I would gladly hold against him. quote]
    Well you can just be ignored from now on so.


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    #3849
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    eagle eye wrote: »
    He flew from the US to the UAE to Russia. How is that doing the right thing? The right thing was to stay in the US and stay safe.
    He flew to UAE as the UFC told him they were 99% sure thats where the fight was going to take place so he wanted to acclimatise himself.
    He then flew home as they were closing their borders, then Russia closed their borders. Would you prefer he be stranded in America away from his family?

    He did the right thing getting out of the US regardless of the above, they're gonna be royally ****ed in the next few weeks.


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    #3850
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,406 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Tazzimus wrote:
    He flew to UAE as the UFC told him they were 99% sure thats where the fight was going to take place so he wanted to acclimatise himself. He then flew home as they were closing their borders, then Russia closed their borders. Would you prefer he be stranded in America away from his family?
    We only have his word as regards the UAE, he never set foot in the country as he claims he was refused entry. Is his whole team that stupid that they would fly somewhere without first making sure it was ok?
    It stinks of bs.


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    #3851
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    eagle eye wrote: »
    We only have his word as regards the UAE, he never set foot in the country as he claims he was refused entry. Is his whole team that stupid that they would fly somewhere without first making sure it was ok?
    It stinks of bs.
    Even if it is, the part of my post you didn't quote still stands, he did the right thing getting out of the US.


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    #3852
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,595 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    eagle eye wrote: »
    He flew from the US to the UAE to Russia. How is that doing the right thing? The right thing was to stay in the US and stay safe.


    Irish people were being urged to return home from the US. Two videos below from the Irish Ambassador. The smart thing to do is to get home when you can (taking all possible proper precautions of course). I would imagine that any foreign MMA fighter in US would not have long term status there and would need to get out too while they can


    https://twitter.com/DanMulhall/status/1243620713191354369


    https://twitter.com/DanMulhall/status/1244710997769818117


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    #3853
    PyreOfHellfire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭PyreOfHellfire


    eagle eye wrote: »
    PyreOfHellfire wrote:
    I hold a lot against Conor and this is just another thing I would gladly hold against him. quote]
    Well you can just be ignored from now on so.

    Ironic considering you blame Khabib for flying out to the country he was told the fight was going to be on. :rolleyes:


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    #3854
    spix
    Registered Users Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭spix


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    Why would he need to do this, the world knows about Covid-19 and the need to minimise interaction with others.
    Expecting him to travel to another country that's massively infected is just moronic. America hasn't even started to see the worst of this yet.

    He's doing the right thing and staying out of it while all this is going on.
    Khabib also did the right thing by flying home from UAE to be with his family while he was able to get to them.


    The virus is bad yes but the most recent winter flu is estimated to have killed 60,000 in USA. The flu and coronavirus share alot of similarities so could you imagine khabib leaving the country and refusing to fight if there was a flu going around? Not a chance and imagine what people would say of him. Just because theres a worse flu now, its the right thing to do? Its not like getting it is a death sentence, most people recover or have mild symptoms. There is ALOT of people in the USA, risk to khabib is absolutely minimal as is the extra risk to the public by having 1 extra person in the country.

    So he spent months away from them training in USA then goes home, wasting all that time he spent away from them with nothing to show for it, when he could fight, make money and advance his career. He is running away from the fight and thats it. I was half expecting it going by how triggered he got at the press conference. Khabib knows Tony is his worst match up and theres a good change he will get beat up on the feet or submitted on the ground, theres a reason this is the 3rd time he's pulled out of it. Hes not scared to fight him but scared of losing his unbeaten record under these circumstances.


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    #3855
    Axwell
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    Let's be realistic here, no one here complaining is worried about Khabib and where his next pay cheque is coming from or him making money or advancing his career...people are moaning about Khabib not being willing to entertain them for 30 minutes on a PPV because they want to see the fight. Safe to also say all or most wouldn't even be paying for the PPV which pays that cheque for him to entertain you.

    There's a pandemic wiping out people all over the world, Khabib made a decision based on his own priorities and rightly so.


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    #3856
    snoopboggybog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭snoopboggybog


    spix wrote: »
    The virus is bad yes but the most recent winter flu is estimated to have killed 60,000 in USA. The flu and coronavirus share alot of similarities so could you imagine khabib leaving the country and refusing to fight if there was a flu going around? Not a chance and imagine what people would say of him. Just because theres a worse flu now, its the right thing to do? Its not like getting it is a death sentence, most people recover or have mild symptoms. There is ALOT of people in the USA, risk to khabib is absolutely minimal as is the extra risk to the public by having 1 extra person in the country.

    So he spent months away from them training in USA then goes home, wasting all that time he spent away from them with nothing to show for it, when he could fight, make money and advance his career. He is running away from the fight and thats it. I was half expecting it going by how triggered he got at the press conference. Khabib knows Tony is his worst match up and theres a good change he will get beat up on the feet or submitted on the ground, theres a reason this is the 3rd time he's pulled out of it. Hes not scared to fight him but scared of losing his unbeaten record under these circumstances.

    Seriously? It's a lot worse than seasonal flu with death rate currently at 2% for corona virus in the US compared to 0.1% for seasonal flu. It is also more contagious. You know maybe family means more to Conor than risk getting it himself and passing it on to them. He also has young kids. Conor might not also want to find in a closed arena.

    I'm sure if this situation wasn't here he would have fighting. It's not like he needs to the money. He can wait for Tony/Khabib fight to happen and fight the winner then. He doesn't need the money you know.


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    #3857
    spix
    Registered Users Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭spix


    Axwell wrote: »
    Let's be realistic here, no one here complaining is worried about Khabib and where his next pay cheque is coming from or him making money or advancing his career...people are moaning about Khabib not being willing to entertain them for 30 minutes on a PPV because they want to see the fight. Safe to also say all or most wouldn't even be paying for the PPV which pays that cheque for him to entertain you.

    There's a pandemic wiping out people all over the world, Khabib made a decision based on his own priorities and rightly so.


    This fight has been cancelled 4 times already so one would assume Khabib would do anything in his power to finally get that fight done and dusted, for the fans AND himself.

    Nobody knows the fallout from this fight failing for the 5th time. He might never get another chance to fight Tony and will definitely regret that when his career is done. Does the danger to himself and his family from the coronavirus outweigh that, knowing he is the one who didn't show up when he was physically able to. The other 2 times he pulled out, as far as we know he was physically unable to so that was different.


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    #3858
    spix
    Registered Users Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭spix


    snoopboggybog wrote: »
    Seriously? It's a lot worse than seasonal flu with death rate currently at 2% for corona virus in the US compared to 0.1% for seasonal flu. It is also more contagious. You know maybe family means more to Conor than risk getting it himself and passing it on to them. He also has young kids. Conor might not also want to find in a closed arena.

    I'm sure if this situation wasn't here he would have fighting. It's not like he needs to the money. He can wait for Tony/Khabib fight to happen and fight the winner then. He doesn't need the money you know.


    Its definitely worse, but 2% is absolutely worse case scenario. Flu numbers are estimates so the % will be lower as it is assumed most people who are infected do not get confirmed. This isn't the case with coronavirus, numbers are based on confirmed infections. Flu also has a vaccine so the comparative threat to the unvaccinated cannot be known.

    Regarding Conor, he has used the lockdown situation for multiple proper 12 adverts.


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    #3859
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,406 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    spix wrote:
    Flu also has a vaccine

    There you go, answered it yourself. Anybody taking chances is an idiot.


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    #3860
    Axwell
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    spix wrote: »
    This fight has been cancelled 4 times already so one would assume Khabib would do anything in his power to finally get that fight done and dusted, for the fans AND himself.

    Nobody knows the fallout from this fight failing for the 5th time. He might never get another chance to fight Tony and will definitely regret that when his career is done. Does the danger to himself and his family from the coronavirus outweigh that, knowing he is the one who didn't show up when he was physically able to. The other 2 times he pulled out, as far as we know he was physically unable to so that was different.

    The reasons it was cancelled previously are completely different to the circumstances this time. Will he regret not taking a fight, to defend a belt when he is undefeated because he chose not to put his life and that of his family and those around him at risk..I sincerely doubt it. He clearly realises the seriousness of what is going on right now in the world and has some perspective which it would seem many here and on social media berating him do not.


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    #3861
    spix
    Registered Users Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭spix


    Axwell wrote: »
    The reasons it was cancelled previously are completely different to the circumstances this time. Will he regret not taking a fight, to defend a belt when he is undefeated because he chose not to put his life and that of his family and those around him at risk..I sincerely doubt it. He clearly realises the seriousness of what is going on right now in the world and has some perspective which it would seem many here and on social media berating him do not.


    Do you honestly believe that though? There is extremely low chance the coronavirus would be a risk to khabib especially with the precautions UFC would take. Also wouldn't going home when he did actually put them more at risk than staying in the USA. Did he quarantine himself before going home or get tested?


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    #3862
    Axwell
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    spix wrote: »
    Do you honestly believe that though? There is extremely low chance the coronavirus would be a risk to khabib especially with the precautions uFC would take. Also wouldn't going home when he did actually put them more at risk than staying in the USA. Did he quarantine himself before going home or get tested?

    Yes I believe that. The world is on lockdown where people are told not to gather in groups. There is literally no reason for Khabib to put his or anyone else in his families life at risk during this, low chances or not. The US is in massive trouble right now, I live there and see it first hand. When he doesn't have to stay there it makes more sense for him to go home, especially when its unknown how long this will last.

    As I said previously posting concerned about him getting a pay cheque, will he get another fight or will he regret this is utter nonsense. The man has made the decision based on what is going on in the world and common sense. He has nothing to prove to anyone, certainly not to people disgruntled that he wont put his life at risk to keep them entertained.

    Your concerns are not towards him at all, you simply want to see the fight and have your own interests at heart not those of him or his family or those around him. When everyone else in the world is staying in and told not to unnecessarily put their lives at risk unless they are an essential service why should Khabib take those risks just to entertain you?


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    #3863
    spix
    Registered Users Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭spix


    Axwell wrote: »
    Yes I believe that. The world is on lockdown where people are told not to gather in groups. There is literally no reason for Khabib to put his or anyone else in his families life at risk during this, low chances or not. The US is in massive trouble right now, I live there and see it first hand. When he doesn't have to stay there it makes more sense for him to go home, especially when its unknown how long this will last.

    As I said previously posting concerned about him getting a pay cheque, will he get another fight or will he regret this is utter nonsense. The man has made the decision based on what is going on in the world and common sense. He has nothing to prove to anyone, certainly not to people disgruntled that he wont put his life at risk to keep them entertained.

    Your concerns are not towards him at all, you simply want to see the fight and have your own interests at heart not those of him or his family or those around him. When everyone else in the world is staying in and told not to unnecessarily put their lives at risk unless they are an essential service why should Khabib take those risks just to entertain you?


    You're right, I don't have any concern about khabib. He already got a big payday against mcgregor and has another one guaranteed whenever he wants it. My concern is Tony. Its shameful he would take this opportunity from him. Not putting his life at risk to keep them entertained, I guess we're forgetting what his job is :D


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    #3864
    Axwell
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    spix wrote: »
    You're right, I don't have any concern about khabib. He already got a big payday against mcgregor and has another one guaranteed whenever he wants it. My concern is Tony. Its shameful he would take this opportunity from him. Not putting his life at risk to keep them entertained, I guess we're forgetting what his job is :D

    I cant actually tell at this stage if you are trolling or believe the stuff you are writing...


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    #3865
    billybonkers
    Registered Users Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    Isn't this the McGregor thread?


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    #3866
    spix
    Registered Users Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭spix


    Axwell wrote: »
    I cant actually tell at this stage if you are trolling or believe the stuff you are writing...


    Not trolling. Its very obvious khabib avoided the fight cause he wanted out and not because of the coronavirus. A few days ago he said he went to UAE as he thought the fight would be there, without any confirmation, and 249 would go ahead without him because he was locked down in Russia. Then Russia said Khabib was welcome to fly back to USA on a private plane and few hours later put out the new statement. So apparently a few days ago he had still planned to fight even though coronavirus was already a big problem then, then all of a sudden when he finds out he is not actually locked out, he changes his tune saying we should all be locked down. Why did he fly to UAE under impression fight would be there if he thinks everyone should be locked down.


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    #3867
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    spix wrote: »
    There is extremely low chance the coronavirus would be a risk to khabib especially with the precautions UFC would take.

    This and your postulating that the US would "obviously" allow certain private flights shows just how little time your views on all of this should be given. Stop waffling. You're stuck at home in isolation, bored like the rest of us and craving some entertainment. You want to see the fight and therefore, misguidedly, try to justify it any way you can. That's all there is to it.


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    #3868
    Axwell
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    spix wrote: »
    Not trolling. Its very obvious khabib avoided the fight cause he wanted out and not because of the coronavirus. A few days ago he said he went to UAE as he thought the fight would be there, without any confirmation, and 249 would go ahead without him because he was locked down in Russia. Then Russia said Khabib was welcome to fly back to USA on a private plane and few hours later put out the new statement. So apparently a few days ago he had still planned to fight even though coronavirus was already a big problem then, then all of a sudden when he finds out he is not actually locked out, he changes his tune saying we should all be locked down. Why did he fly to UAE under impression fight would be there if he thinks everyone should be locked down.

    He was told the fight wasnt going to be in the US, the UFC told him it was 99% to be in the UAE..thats why he flew there it wasnt just for the craic. When he went to the UAE they announced a complete lockdown in and out with only residents allowed so he flew back to Russia. Russia then imposed their own travel ban as did most countries as the numbers of deaths continued to rise and stay at home orders/lockdowns started.

    To be allowed to leave Russia he needs to hire a business charter flight and that company needs to get a permit to fly to the US (where the UFC originally said the fight definitely wasnt going to take place). Its not just a case of hopping on a plane and going there. This is only something that became a possibility in the last 12 hours or so and not something he has said no to yet but even if he does the whole world is on lockdown, why should he be expected to fly and risk his health.

    If Dana wants them to fight and if fans want to see it that bad theres a simple solution, postpone the fight and wait till things settle down. They already cancelled 3 other cards so they can easily have sense and scrap this one. As it is they have no confirmed location and Dana is just thinking of the dollar signs. Theres very little chance at this point of the event happening at all regardless of what Dana wants.


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    #3869
    Axwell
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    billybonkers wrote: »
    Isn't this the McGregor thread?

    Indeed it is. McGregor originally said he would step up and fight if either pulled out..Khabib currently has hence the discussion about him and the fight situation. JK is also posting ‘cryptic’ tweets suggesting another option instead of Gaethje..safe to assume thats Conor.


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    #3870
    Fall_Guy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Fall_Guy


    Axwell wrote: »
    Indeed it is. McGregor originally said he would step up and fight if either pulled out..Khabib currently has hence the discussion about him and the fight situation. JK is also posting ‘cryptic’ tweets suggesting another option instead of Gaethje..safe to assume thats Conor.

    Just on this, JK has since confirmed that was April fools trickery, hasn't he?

    The only person to blame for any of the ufc 249 mess is Dana White for flogging this dead horse and trying to get a card together out of pure greed when it goes against all health and safety provisions anywhere right now.

    He can harp on all he wants about trying to put this on for the fighters who want to fight and get paid, but the company are well within their rights to pay their fighters a salary for the next number of months if they are that concerned about their financial well-being.

    But no, White would rather out on a card knowing he'd have a captive audience despite the fact that none of the fighters on the card will have been able to have anything approaching a normal camp if they are adhering to social distancing rules.

    Any blame being laid at khabib, Tony, Conor or anyone else for this situation is beyond idiotic.


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    #3871
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Fall_Guy wrote: »

    The only person to blame for any of the ufc 249 mess is Dana White for flogging this dead horse and trying to get a card together out of pure greed when it goes against all health and safety provisions anywhere right now.

    100%. You always think he can't possibly surprise you with how low he'll go but he always manages to pull something out of the bag. He's a horrible bastard altogether.


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