Pretentious Movies

mistersifter

mistersifter wrote: »

Call me by your name.

yep - and if the young lad was a girl of the same age would have been shot down as a pedo movie.


Mulholland Drive I would also agree with - bullsh1t premise imo.


Lost in translation - no, good movie.

Birdman - over-rated certainly, not necessarily pretentious.

The Nicolas Cage movie where he played twin brothers was a bit "arty". Adaption. But not fully arsey.

Black Swan - pretentious twaddle.

Frank O. Pinion

glasso wrote: »

yep - and if the young lad was a girl of the same age would have been shot down as a pedo movie.

What? No it wouldn't have. The age of consent in Italy is 14. Nothing wrong with a 24 year old and a 17 year old. "A pedo movie" would have to involve a sexual attraction to prepubescent individuals, which Call Me By Your Name does not have.

Frank O. Pinion

Frank O. Pinion wrote: »

What? No it wouldn't have. The age of consent in Italy is 14. Nothing wrong with a 24 year old and a 17 year old. "A pedo movie" would have to involve a sexual attraction to prepubescent individuals, which Call Me By Your Name does not have.

Armie hammer easily looked over 30 in the film and the other guy young so it looked like a 32 year old and a 15 year old imo.

Uncomfortable stuff and as a said if it similar but hetro there would have been outcry.

dmn22

Interstellar. Visual effects were great but felt like I was being talked-down to for the whole film. Very up its own arse.

Frank O. Pinion

glasso wrote: »

Armie hammer easily looked over 30 in the film and the other guy young so it looked like a 32 year old and a 15 year old imo.

Uncomfortable stuff and as a said if it similar but hetro there would have been outcry.

I really don't think so. There's been plenty of heterosexual plots with age gaps. A seven year gap when both are over the age of consent isn't going to cause moral outrage to any huge degree.

Ultimately, it depends on the actual plot and if the acts are legal, regardless of small age gaps and genders involved.

Frank O. Pinion

Frank O. Pinion wrote: »

I really don't think so. There's been plenty of heterosexual plots with age gaps. A seven year gap when both are over the age of consent isn't going to cause moral outrage to any huge degree.

Ultimately, it depends on the actual plot and if the acts are legal, regardless of small age gaps and genders involved.

But it didn't look like a 7 year age gap whatever the book was about.

I'd agree with the opinion expressed in this Gay site

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.queerty.com/karamo-brown-thinks-call-name-problematic-fck-20181215/amp

“I know we’re calling [Oliver] a college student, but it looks like a grown man having sex with a little boy,” he added. “And for me, I just was not OK with that. And I was like, ‘Why are we pretending like this is OK in any sense, fashion, or form?’”

He continues: “If that was an older man or a perceived college student who looked that much older with a 16 or 17-year-old girl, we would have all had a hissy fit. We would have recognized that this is a problem. But for some reason, because it was two men, we’re just like, ‘Oh, well, this is just exploration.’”

Frank O. Pinion

So you have a problem with the casting then? Not the story? If it was a "heterosexual film", the actors would be different and possibly look much closer to their character's ages of 24 and 17.

It was a Summer in the early 80s in Italy, where the age of consent is 14. Modern eyes looking at it and getting outraged is just something those types of people do.

It does not matter what "something looks like", it matters what is, especially when you're labelling something as a "pedo movie".

Frank O. Pinion

Frank O. Pinion wrote: »

So you have a problem with the casting then? Not the story? If it was a "heterosexual film", the actors would be different and possibly look much closer to their character's ages of 24 and 17.

It was a Summer in the early 80s in Italy, where the age of consent is 14. Modern eyes looking at it and getting outraged is just something those types of people do.

It does not matter what "something looks like", it matters what is, especially when you're labelling something as a "pedo movie".

yes 24 / 17 is ok but film is not like that. the film is not the book.

call it casting or whatever but it comes across like a borderline Kevin Spacey / Anthony Rapp situation.

it doesn't matter what the age of consent was in 1980s Italy. exploitative at best.

older guy looks over 30 and the younger guy 15/16 - much like the first incident that came out about Spacey.

limnam

Deleted User wrote: »

Its not that good. Roger Ebert was right all along.

If you need a pen and paper to keep track of the plot in usual suspects, you're out of your depth.

The Enbalmer

limnam wrote: »

If you need a pen and paper to keep track of the plot in usual suspects, you're out of your depth.

Or if you don't think it's a total cop out movie you are similarly out of your depth.


I bet you think the Godfather is good too?

limnam

The Enbalmer wrote: »

I bet you think the Godfather is good too?

Sure.


I should hang my head in shame.

adox

The Enbalmer wrote: »

I bet you think the Godfather is good too?

See this post has more in common with pretentiousness than a lot of the movies listed.

The Enbalmer

adox wrote: »

See this post has more in common with pretentiousness than a lot of the movies listed.

Dissing the Godfather always gets people's backs up. I've no idea why except maybe people arent sure if they like it but they know they have to like it or risk other people's scorn.

To pretend to like a movie you didnt understand is the very height of pretentiousness.

adox

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Dissing the Godfather always gets people's backs up. I've no idea why except maybe people arent sure if they like it but they know they have to like it or risk other people's scorn.

To pretend to like a movie you didnt understand is the very height of pretentiousness.

You missed the point completely. It’s nothing to do with dissing The Godfather.

Also I’ve no idea where you got the idea that people pretend to like it or didn’t understand it.

The Enbalmer

adox wrote: »

Also I’ve no idea where you got the idea that people pretend to like it or didn’t understand it.

I got the idea from years and years of listening to people's reaction to it.



Family guy did it very well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pnwE_Oy5WI

limnam

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Dissing the Godfather always gets people's backs up. I've no idea why except maybe people arent sure if they like it but they know they have to like it or risk other people's scorn.

To pretend to like a movie you didnt understand is the very height of pretentiousness.

The only hard thing to understand is your logic.


Someone points out it was odd that a film critique required pen and paper to keep track of the plot in Usual Suspects from there to guessing someone you don't know likes godfather because people pretend to like it....

The Enbalmer

limnam wrote:

Someone points out it was odd that a film critique required pen and paper to keep track of the plot in Usual Suspects from there to guessing someone you don't know likes godfather because people pretend to like it....

limnam wrote:

The only hard thing to understand is your logic.

You should've kept out of it basically.
Trying to look like a clever clogs was your undoing.

limnam

The Enbalmer wrote: »

You should've kept out of it basically.
Trying to look like a clever clogs was your undoing.

Sound.....

Ravn

Neon demon
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PhiloCypher

The thin red line - 2 + hours of Malickian masturbation over swaying grass, disguised as a war film.

Sorry about that

glasso wrote: »

yep - and if the young lad was a girl of the same age would have been shot down as a pedo movie.


Mulholland Drive I would also agree with - bullsh1t premise imo.


Lost in translation - no, good movie.

Birdman - over-rated certainly, not necessarily pretentious.

The Nicolas Cage movie where he played twin brothers was a bit "arty". Adaption. But not fully arsey.

Black Swan - pretentious twaddle.

Had forgotten about Black Swan, 100% agree, left the cinema furious, it was pretentious and bad.

Lost in translation was beautifully shot, and had a great cast with good performances, but imo totally pretentious and smarmy.

Mike Litoris

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Only God Forgives is the most pretentious movie by the worlds most pretentious director.

Funnily enough I hate Drive for the same reason but liked Only God Forgives as I was prepared for it!

Sad Professor

I've always found the relationship in Lost in Translation and how its written very unpretentious. Unlike something like Before Sunrise where the two main characters engage in long conversations about philosophy while drinking espressos and walking around Vienna, Murray and Johansson barely speak in Lost in Translation and when they do talk it's about very ordinary stuff. But maybe it's the fact that they aren't having pretentious conversations about life and relationships that makes it pretentious? A lot of the films mentioned in this thread are notable for their lack of dialogue or having long silences, so maybe that's what many people mean by "pretentious".

Mad_maxx

Arrival ( with Amy Adams)

fryup

there's one on TV at this very moment....Interstellar

Snake Plisken

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Arrival ( with Amy Adams)

Don't agree with you Arrival is a classic!
Two that stick out for me are
The English Patient & Barton Fink

Aidric

'Synecdoche, New York'. A film so far up its own hole it deserted a narrative.

Mad_maxx

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Don't agree with you Arrival is a classic!
Two that stick out for me are
The English Patient & Barton Fink

Arrival is the most gratuitously liberal movie ever made, dreadful

Fink is classic coen brothers, darkly comic and sly

squawker

PhiloCypher wrote: »

The thin red line - 2 + hours of Malickian masturbation over swaying grass, disguised as a war film.

I was going to post this one, it must be in the top 3

fryup

PhiloCypher wrote: »

The thin red line - 2 + hours of Malickian masturbation over swaying grass, disguised as a war film.

yes.....but..the push for the hill scene with nick nolte blasting down the orders over the phone is amazing

Kirby

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Arrival is the most gratuitously liberal movie ever made, dreadful

Gratuitously liberal? Are you sure you understand what the word gratuitous means? Because I'm not sure you do.

How exactly was Arrival gratuitously liberal? Mankind working together was integral to the plot. Like it was literally the entire point. There was nothing gratuitous about it.

The fact that you consider "not blowing each other up" as liberal is another matter entirely.

Tony EH

PhiloCypher wrote: »

The thin red line - 2 + hours of Malickian masturbation over swaying grass, disguised as a war film.

Yeh, was going to post about 'The Thin Red Line'.

Far, far, too many hick 20 something's waxing lyrical about the nature of evil and war, as if they're all WWII Siegfried Sassoon's or Wilfred Owen's.

It's a shame, because when the voice overs stop, there's actually a decent film in there. It just gets ruined by the silly voice overs. We don't need to hear what grunts are thinking to know that war is shit.

I'd love to see a cut with all of the VO's removed.

mistersifter

mistersifter wrote: »

Call me by your name.

That's what I immediately thought of. That speech by the father designed solely for getting an Oscar was some of the most pretentious stuff I've ever seen. Awful movie.


As to Birdman, it somehow pulls it off. I think it's because it's self-aware. I don't know. Great movie.

Hector Savage

Sorry about that wrote: »

Lost in Translation.

Yeah never got the love for that film, some oul peadophile manages to score a young wan ... fuxake like..

Space Dog

Deleted User wrote: »

That's what I immediately thought of. That speech by the father designed solely for getting an Oscar was some of the most pretentious stuff I've ever seen. Awful movie.

Well the monologue is pretty much taken directly from the novel, so I doubt the author had Oscar noms on his mind when he wrote the book years ago

Space Dog

American Beauty is incredibly pretentious. I love it though!

Church on Tuesday

PhiloCypher wrote: »

The thin red line - 2 + hours of Malickian masturbation over swaying grass, disguised as a war film.

Truly awful film. Ponderous, meandering and an overall hugely unsatisfying experience.

Great soundtrack though.

Frank O. Pinion

Tony EH wrote: »

Yeh, was going to post about 'The Thin Red Line'.

Far, far, too many hick 20 something's waxing lyrical about the nature of evil and war, as if they're all WWII Siegfried Sassoon's or Wilfred Owen's.

It's a shame, because when the voice overs stop, there's actually a decent film in there. It just gets ruined by the silly voice overs. We don't need to hear what grunts are thinking to know that war is shit.

I'd love to see a cut with all of the VO's removed.

You sure do love to repeat yourself, about The Thin Red Line.

4th February 2016:

Tony EH wrote: »

Having Southern hick grunt 20 year olds, with barely the education to string a coherrent sentence together wax lyrical about the nature of man, nature and cruelty fits the bill.

1st October 2018:

Tony EH wrote: »

I'd like to see him recut it without those terrible voiceovers.

Tony EH

Hey, it's just my frank opinion!

:pac:




But, wait til I tell you about the Thin Red Line.

TerrorFirmer

At least he's consistent to be fair. Not sure what you hope to achieve by trawling through his posts. Thin Red Line is a good but flawed film.

CrankyHaus

The Thin Red Line is a good film but the book is much better. What were we saying about pretentiousness again?

Frank O. Pinion

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

At least he's consistent to be fair. Not sure what you hope to achieve by trawling through his posts.

Like most internet forum posts, I hope to achieve nothing...I just thought it was funny. I didn't "trawl" through his posts, I just remembered the "wax lyrical" line, and the bit about Southern hicks.

Sad Professor

The Thin Red Line had the misfortune to be released the same year as Saving Private Ryan which totally redefined people's perceptions of cinematic realism, mostly for the worse. War was shaky cam, waves of blood, body parts falling from the sky, desaturated colour timing and other hyper-stylised techniques used to disguise the fact that the script was a tribute to US war propaganda movies. Only Spielberg could have pulled it off.

Anyway isn't most of Malick's poetic sounding voice-overs grounded in Christian theology? I don't think you need a liberal arts degree to have those kind of thoughts. Sunday school and reading books would be enough. Whether someone would have those thoughts in a war scenario is another matter but unlike Saving Private Ryan it's not claiming to depict reality.

Tony EH

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

At least he's consistent to be fair. Not sure what you hope to achieve by trawling through his posts. Thin Red Line is a good but flawed film.

Ah thanks TF.

In fairness, I probably do bang on about it and Frank is right.

Still though...I really would love to see a cut without all of that shite.

If I was any good at using Adobe Premiere or After Effects, I do it myself.

Tony EH

CrankyHaus wrote: »

The Thin Red Line is a good film but the book is much better.

Very true. But Jones's books have failed to travel well to the screen.

Tony EH

Tony EH wrote: »

Ah thanks TF.

In fairness, I probably do bang on about it and Frank is right.

Still though...I really would love to see a cut without all of that shite.

If I was any good at using Adobe Premiere or After Effects, I do it myself.

They should just release a Nick Nolte version where he is in every scene

CrankyHaus

Tony EH wrote: »

Very true. But Jones's books have failed to travel well to the screen.

Is From Here to Eternity not worth a go?
I haven't seen it but thought it was a well regarded film.

Tony EH

Deleted User wrote: »

They should just release a Nick Nolte version where he is in every scene

And his only line should be "Nuthin's stoppin' us, it's high ground by nightfall!"

Tony EH

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Is From Here to Eternity not worth a go?
I haven't seen it but thought it was a well regarded film.

It's worth a watch for Sinatra and Borgnine. But, it's not really a good movie. It's stuck with a clunky romance and it never gets out of second gear. It was also hampered by the Hays code, so it's all very safe.

I was never really a fan of it.

Plopsu

Two I've had the misfortune to watch in the past couple of months:

The Revenant
Neon Demon