Yellow-box junction with a white "right-turn box" preceding it

osarusan

J_R wrote: »

1. On green, Drive through if clear, and
2. Again on green, If being blocked by oncoming traffic to drive in as far as possible. Ideal spot to stop is just short of your turning point. However taking care not to block any other traffic that has a green light. And that is it, no boxes necessary, yellow, green, blue whatever. Just very basic common sense and it is applicable to all junctions.

Surely the issue is what happens if a person drives into the middle of the junction, waits for the gap in oncoming traffic to appear, but it never appears before the lights change, and now they are stranded in the middle of the junction when the traffic starts to cross from left and right.

In junctions that don't have a filter light for right turns, there is always that risk.

Or am I misunderstanding your post?

Alanstrainor

osarusan wrote: »

Surely the issue is what happens if a person drives into the middle of the junction, waits for the gap in oncoming traffic to appear, but it never appears before the lights change, and now they are stranded in the middle of the junction when the traffic starts to cross from left and right.

In junctions that don't have a filter light for right turns, there is always that risk.

Or am I misunderstanding your post?

The case you describe would be common, and the rule is that you must then clear the junction even if the light is red. This would be perfectly acceptable during a test, and the correct action to take. Proceed with caution and clear the junction.

But this thread has gone on far too long, when the answer to the OP was so simple. Use the turning box. That's it's purpose. You have proceeded into the junction and stopped in the turning box, which in turn has a sensor which will cause the green arrow to appear and allow you to proceed.

All this discussion about the junction being weird, non-standard and confusing is essentially irrelevant to the question at hand. While these points are true, you should use the junction as it is configured now. Not how it should be configured as that creates confusion and uncertainty.

Use the turning box. That's what it is there for. End of story.

J_R

osarusan wrote: »

Surely the issue is what happens if a person drives into the middle of the junction, waits for the gap in oncoming traffic to appear, but it never appears before the lights change, and now they are stranded in the middle of the junction when the traffic starts to cross from left and right.

In junctions that don't have a filter light for right turns, there is always that risk.

Or am I misunderstanding your post?

Hi,

No Risk, but you should never worry about getting stranded. The oncoming traffic must stop on amber, you might get an amber gambler, but definitely stop on red, then there is a further safety margin of three seconds when all the lights in the junction are red.

Remember, after you clear your white line you are no longer controlled by the lights. So when safe you go irrespective of the lights.

If you should happen to get stranded, just sit there, was not your fault. Someone blows at you, shrug your shoulders. The problem was caused by the traffic that broke the lights.

And you should do exactly the same in the test.

I know Ireland does not get much snow but what happens if the white box disappears under a blanket of snow ?