Graffiti on trains

dublinman1990

If a transport police force was set up here; they should have a major presence & control room fitted with some weapons for the officers & CCTV cameras set up on site at Fairview Depot & all other major Irish rail depots & stations around the country to act as a form of security that will go against these scumbags. Either the Gardaí, NTA & IE need to consider setting up airport style security checks for official IE staff members in these locations so they know which ones are genuine & which of the unofficial cohorts are just there to cause trouble to their security arrangements.

For now though; the Gardaí should have the powers in legislation to find the person who uploaded the youtube video, nab the IP address of the video & home address of the individual & arrest him along with his cohorts who have taken part in this crime. If they did it now it would be great to see them getting these scum into court, get them charged for severe criminal damage committed on state owned property & then receive a really severe jail sentence for their crime. Now in an ideal world; that would be great to see in this country. But as this is Ireland; could it be something that is too good to be true? We know what will really happen afterwards when these guys do get caught by the Gardaí. The punishments they will receive in court would not be proportionate to their actual punishment for their crime.

Am I making enough sense with this reality that we as a society are living through at the moment?

Ubetkoff

dublinman1990 wrote: »

For now though; the Gardaí should have the powers in legislation to find the person who uploaded the youtube video, nab the IP address of the video & home address of the individual & arrest him along with his cohorts who have taken part in this crime. If they did it now it would be great to see them getting these scum into court, get them charged for severe criminal damage committed on state owned property & then receive a really severe jail sentence for their crime. Now in an ideal world; that would be great to see in this country. But as this is Ireland; could it be something that is too good to be true? We know what will really happen afterwards when these guys do get caught by the Gardaí. The punishments they will receive in court would not be proportionate to their actual punishment for their crime.

The video was sent anonymously, dumbo

Ubetkoff

How are the trains being damaged its just paint

Jamie2k9

Ubetkoff wrote: »

dublinman1990 wrote: »

For now though; the Gardaí should have the powers in legislation to find the person who uploaded the youtube video, nab the IP address of the video & home address of the individual & arrest him along with his cohorts who have taken part in this crime. If they did it now it would be great to see them getting these scum into court, get them charged for severe criminal damage committed on state owned property & then receive a really severe jail sentence for their crime. Now in an ideal world; that would be great to see in this country. But as this is Ireland; could it be something that is too good to be true? We know what will really happen afterwards when these guys do get caught by the Gardaí. The punishments they will receive in court would not be proportionate to their actual punishment for their crime.

The video was sent anonymously, dumbo

Dumbo, the person who uploaded it knows exactly where it came from.

railer201

Ubetkoff wrote: »

How are the trains being damaged its just paint

So if I want to graffiti all over the outside of your house or wherever you live, there is no problem - it's just paint. :rolleyes:

Stephen15

dublinman1990 wrote: »

If a transport police force was set up here; they should have a major presence & control room fitted with some weapons for the officers & CCTV cameras set up on site at Fairview Depot & all other major Irish rail depots & stations around the country to act as a form of security that will go against these scumbags. Either the Gardaí, NTA & IE need to consider setting up airport style security checks for official IE staff members in these locations so they know which ones are genuine & which of the unofficial cohorts are just there to cause trouble to their security arrangements.

Will never happen the cost of doing that outweighs the risks of the cost of repairs for vandalism. Only place I've heard of such measures being taken with regards to public transport is Israel for completley different but understandable reasons.

Since they implemented 10 minute DARTs there are not enough spare DART sets to replace vandalised sets hence why more and more graffitied units are being put into service.

Ubetkoff

railer201 wrote: »

So if I want to graffiti all over the outside of your house or wherever you live, there is no problem - it's just


I didn't say it's not a problem I said it does not damage the trains, there's a difference, and my apartment actually has tags on the lower floors and it doesn't bother anyone living here.


Case closed

Ubetkoff

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Ubetkoff wrote: »

Dumbo, the person who uploaded it knows exactly where it came from.

And ?

devnull

There is such thing as an anti-graffiti paint/finish that can be made on trains which makes it pretty much impossible to deface trains in a way that is not very very easily cleaned, but it is not cheap.

The other downside of it is that it makes repainting the trains later on requiring sanding them down to repaint, although you can get around that just by viynling them.

railer201

Ubetkoff wrote: »

I didn't say it's not a problem I said it does not damage the trains, there's a difference, and my apartment actually has tags on the lower floors and it doesn't bother anyone living here.

The solvents used to remove the graffiti damages the underlying paintwork as it happens, and all this remedial work has to be paid for. In addition it damages the pocket - the rail travellers pocket.

Who would want to purchase an apartment which has been graffitied ? - tags to some - criminal damage to others, and bound to affect the market value !

XPS_Zero

Just a reminder to those who think the Irish justice system has any hope of dealing with this, and to those amazed they are willing to do it in plain daylight: because they've done all sorts of crimes against people and property and never suffered any actual consequences.


Near my place a guy stabbed someone to death, and tried to murder a second guy who tried to help him. This happened 7 years ago. The guy is out...walking the streets, right now, legally...he tried to MURDER two people succeeded in killing one of them...and he's out, right now, he could pass you in a bar tonight you could accidentally clip his shoulder and spill his drink causing him to go psyco and kill you too...and the Irish state does not give a fiddlers. He wasn't even charged with murder (intentionally killing someone). The Irish state thought plunging a knife into someones torso is not trying to kill them it's trying to do "serious injury".


So if they take such a blaze attitude to violent crime resulting in death, you can imagine how much these little scum-gs laugh their assess off at the system even if they did get arrested.

purplepanda

These grafitti morons I noticed a month ago are even present in Kiev, Tbilisi & Baku, vandalising trains, metros / trams, railways & roads. :mad:

For some strange weird reason they don't "write" in their local languages, not utilising cyrillic script / or other local writing systems.

The morons still use the international vandalising brain dead style of graffiti "language" everywhere from North America to Western Europe.:eek:

There must be at least one government in the world giving these anti social criminals adequate custodial jail sentences for their crimes against society?

Stephen15

purplepanda wrote: »

There must be at least one government in the world giving these anti social criminals adequate custodial jail sentences for their crimes against society?

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Atlantic Dawn

Any remotely harsh punishment here would have de parents calling Liveline saying he was a grand fella Joe but he had a difference so to speak that he liked bright colours.

Stephen15

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Any remotely harsh punishment here would have de parents calling Liveline saying he was a grand fella Joe but he had a difference so to speak that he liked bright colours.

They should be made scrub off the graffiti and clean the trains if they are under 18. Likewise with anyone under 18 caught misbehaving on public transport vandals, people who throw stones at buses and trains etc.

goingnowhere

We are fast becoming a country of cry babies

https://www.herald.ie/news/courts/graffiti-vandal-quit-his-train-clean-programme-over-solvent-reaction-37496359.html

Ubetkoff

railer201 wrote: »

Ubetkoff wrote: »

The solvents used to remove the graffiti damages the underlying paintwork as it happens, and all this remedial work has to be paid for. In addition it damages the pocket - the rail travellers pocket.

Who would want to purchase an apartment which has been graffitied ? - tags to some - criminal damage to others, and bound to affect the market value !

"Damages the pocket" graffiti doesn't damage trains, the removal might but that's not what I said to begin with. Secondly I've told No one that lives (rents) here minds the tags.

Effects

Ubetkoff wrote: »

"Damages the pocket" graffiti doesn't damage trains, the removal might but that's not what I said to begin with. Secondly I've told No one that lives (rents) here minds the tags.

Does it matter if the damage is caused by the removal?
Removal wouldn't be needed if they weren't painted with graffiti.

Effects

Ubetkoff wrote: »

railer201 wrote: »

My apartment actually has tags on the lower floors and it doesn't bother anyone living here.

Where is it that you live? Must be a bad area if nobody cares.

whisky_galore

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Any remotely harsh punishment here would have de parents calling Liveline saying he was a grand fella Joe but he had a difference so to speak that he liked bright colours.

Ah jaysus Joe, de childer, dey have no faciliteeees.

Stephen15

goingnowhere wrote: »

We are fast becoming a country of cry babies

https://www.herald.ie/news/courts/graffiti-vandal-quit-his-train-clean-programme-over-solvent-reaction-37496359.html

But yet he didn't have a reaction to the toxic chemicals in the spray paint that he used. I bet he wasn't wearing any sort of mask or other protective clothing when he carried out the act of vandalism in the first place either.

railer201

Ubetkoff wrote:

"Damages the pocket" graffiti doesn't damage trains, the removal might but that's not what I said to begin with. Secondly I've told No one that lives (rents) here minds the tags.

We're not talking about a coat of Dulux paint here - livery is specialised paintwork and very much part of a train and it is damage, criminal damage at that, costing Irish Rail €600,000 one year recently to remedy.

I would suggest the reason that no one minds is exactly that- they don't own the apartments - if they did they wouldn't be so blasé about it.

Are the apartment owners ok with the graffiti ? Like Irish Rail they're the ones whose property is being vandalised.

Ubetkoff

Effects wrote: »

Ubetkoff wrote: »

Where is it that you live? Must be a bad area if nobody cares.

Why are you asking where I live ?Does running people down online about where they live make you feel better?

Ubetkoff

railer201 wrote: »

We're not talking about a coat of Dulux paint here - livery is specialised paintwork and very much part of a train and it is damage, criminal damage at that, costing Irish Rail €600,000 one year recently to remedy.

I would suggest the reason that no one minds is exactly that- they don't own the apartments - if they did they wouldn't be so blasé about it.

Are the apartment owners ok with the graffiti ? Like Irish Rail they're the ones whose property is being vandalised.

Who cares what type of paint it is. It's a layer of paint over another.

Jamie2k9

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railer201

Ubetkoff wrote: »

Who cares what type of paint it is. It's a layer of paint over another.

It's more complex than that - a bit like those toilet door locks you couldn't figure out !

whisky_galore

railer201 wrote: »

It's complex than that - a bit like those toilet door locks you couldn't figure out !

Ah leave him be, he's probably a bit thick.

SeanW

Ubetkoff wrote: »

Who cares what type of paint it is. It's a layer of paint over another.

Welcome, new reg.

Effects

Ubetkoff wrote: »

Effects wrote: »

Why are you asking where I live ?Does running people down online about where they live make you feel better?

Not running you down about where you live. It just sounds like there's no community spirit there.

Stephen15

It's getting worse saw an 8100 today with graffiti completely covering most of the windows of one of the cars

Effects

Would the closure of Pearse have had an effect this weekend? More Darts left overnight where they would usually be more secure?

I've actually started to notice more damage on the livery below recently. I presume the chems and repeated cleaning is having it's toll.