Random Wrestling Thoughts (Part 2)

Itssoeasy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118299713#Comment_118299713

I mean it has to be either Jericho or angle winning because by them winning they’d get the rub of beating the rock or Austin. But whoever it was the wwf knew HHH was returning soon(he’s in the ppv poster ffs) and it was a given he was getting a monster push and getting the title at mania. So, if angle had won, then Jericho would have been in the rumble and had the match at no way out at triple h I suppose. Was the HHH heat towards Jericho from the chyna stuff ? I can’t remember what Jericho says about that time but hardcore holly doesn’t have fond memories of that rumble 2000 match.

With the amount of free agents available atm (I did think a few months ago when Punk and Danielson were available was the best time to strike though) it's such a good time for another new company to jump into the mix with a big financial backer.

CastorTroy

New or one of the existing like GCW or MLW?

Impact and NWA seem destined to remain lower key.

I know ones here have said GCW is probably the number 3 company, but I find MLW seems to have better production and look a bit more professional, though I only started watching recently.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118303896#Comment_118303896

Another Tony Khan is basically what I was thinking. All that money, TV connections and all that.

Can't ever see Impact going any further with their TV, 100 People max in attendance etc.

I also hate that Impact copy WWEs camera cuts, camera shakes and all that ****. Makes it unwatchable for me.

Agent Coulson

How long before the WWE actual stop hiring and using real human talent and just start using augmented reality CAW's that they can control every aspect of?

They then can create a "live" augmented reality crowd as well and have them cheer and boo whenever they want.

B.A._Baracus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118303928#Comment_118303928

Personally I hate WWE's camera cuts. It's totally unwatchable.

Ironically enough I was watching a video about Jackie Chan earlier on YouTube. It talked about Jackie's Chinese movies that he directed and compared it to his later Hollywood movies which of course he didn't direct. Specifically the fight scenes. Like, you would see the kick / punch / whatever connect. But in Hollywood you never see a punch / kick / whatever connect - they'd cut away and it is often a sign that an actor can't throw realistic strikes - but you still see those annoying cuts today. They are the same as WWE today.

For a laugh, as I write this, I searched up WWF 1994 and switched on a video. They never did the quick cuts on connection. Same goes for the 90s, 80s and 2000s. I was at a WWE show in Dublin a few years ago and the lads were barely touching each other (fair enough, who wants to get injured on a random house show) But I did question to myself how can they be laying it more on TV if there is a cut to hide how soft they hit. They dont. It's all light these days.

Blue_Dabadee

Anyone remember this pic from 10 years ago?

https://imgur.com/gallery/afzxxsp

The only person left is Kofi Kingston now.

Loughc

Shawn Michaels, The undertaker and Bret hart all held titles in 2010. Last time before that all three held titles in the same year was 1997.

Blue_Dabadee

Conrad Thompson should get The Sandman to do a ECW podcast.

He definitely the type that I like to listen from two hours on a weekly basis.

I know it's been discussed at length but just flicking around the channels there and happened across Raw on BT and yeah, it's unwatchable with the camera cuts. It's bad on more than one level too. It's just so obviously bad that I can't believe they're still doing it.

B.A._Baracus

Yeah it's pretty bad. I don't know what happened to wwe.

I think the last great year that company had was 2000 - a rather mad thing to say. Looking back I think wwf was like a rocket on the way to the moon in the attitude era. Once they messed up the invasion angle the rocket ran out of fuel and over the last twenty years it was just a slow decent back to earth. Getting worse as each year went by. That's not to say there wasn't any good matches or ppvs since but over all.

I remember hearing that Backlash 2002 ppv numbers were down half from the previous year. They were doing something wrong back then. Then the whole pg era was in total effect come 2005. Raw was the triple h show for many years. Sure now wrestlers are handed a script to hit word for word. Wrestlers are told to go out there and wrestle a style. Can you imagine someone like Austin trying to get past being the ringmaster today? He'd be given a total new gimmick with no input and you wouldn't have the Austin we know. Things were more organic back then.

B.A._Baracus

Here's a question for everybody....

If you were a wrestler, say a top level indy name, and you had several deals on the table offered to you... be it from wwe, aew, njpw - you name it. Which promotion would you sign with?

Would you choose wwe? - the biggest ballgame in town. But risk being lost in the shuffle? Probably being put on nxt (if you are lucky)

Or perhaps take a shot with aew? See if you can make a name for yourself and hey, who knows, maybe go to wwe down the line signing as a star. Maybe you'd go to njpw to make a name for yourself there?

Which would you choose. I'd probably go with aew myself.

Itssoeasy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118386698#Comment_118386698

WWE but just about over AEW. I’m personally not a fan of stuff both companies have done but WWE has been around longer and as stupid as it might be, it’s the dream place to go.

If AEW had been around longer than maybe that would tip it towards them but I have this worry about everyone who’s leaving WWE going to AEW and they can’t sign everyone and I don’t see how they can keep everyone happy and it could get messy. I hope I'm wrong but I just don’t see how that can work going forward.

B.A._Baracus

Interesting points Itssoeasy.

Wwe has always been the biggest promotion there ever was. How could you not sign with them. Also good points about aew.... as time goes by other wwe stars departing is going to take someone's spot.

It's a tough one.

savemejebus

Whoever offered the most money and benefits. It's a dangerous job with a limited window if opportunity that, regardless of how well you do it and how good you are, damages your body permanently.

You can get lost in the shuffle in WWE or not get on with the right folk in AEW or NJPW. it doesn't really matter. At the end of the day your position on the card means sh1t as long as you are getting well paid and you are getting to do what you love in front of decent crowds (even if they are on dark or main event). If you go into it with a huge ego thinking you are the best and deserve a main event spot then you are already shafted.

Pentecost

It would depend on the schedule and the money. AEW seems to have a decent balance and is less annoying from a creative perspective. But I'd try NJPW for a bit too for the experience of living over there for a while.

riffmongous

If I had a few friends in AEW then I'd go there and enjoy the TV time and exposure being part of some faction with them for a year or so..

Unless the WWE money is amazing, which it would really need to be because of the risk that they devalue your future earning power with some terrible gimmick or having you do nothing till they cut you

Pentecost

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118387557#Comment_118387557

Hi Kyle!

CastorTroy

I remember Sasha looking miserable going to the ring before losing her title. Are there any other times wrestlers didn't look happy knowing the result when going to the ring?

J. Marston

Nikki Bella was the OG for RBF when she was gonna lose.

Just a headsup in case anyone didn't know, looks like every Dark Side of the Ring episode is on All 4. Handy for a marathon before heading back to work next week! :D

B.A._Baracus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118387074#Comment_118387074

I always remember what Al Snow said in a video once. Its on YouTube but too lazy to find it. The jist is:

In wwe, you're miserable because you are on the road so much living out of hotels. The hassle of having to get rent a cars, traveling, trying to find a place to eat and work out. But when you get to a show everyone else is miserable cause they are going through the same. So you work the show, say a raw, you won't get back to your hotel room until 1am. But you have to call your significant other now and they can be complaining that you are never home and then you go to sleep and do it all over again.

Really takes the glitz and glamour out of it lol. Least with AEW you work the lighter schedule.

Sirsok

Talking about The Wrestling channel with a few mates and got me thinking about the old FWA. Remember loving this show and a few of the matches still hold up

Loved Burchill from FWA he teams up with terry funk here

Hade Vansen had a great last man standing match

Styles has an Ironman v James Tighe

https://youtu.be/np66kLI9Mhc

In 2005 Punk and Joe had a cracker of a match

MISAWA has an appearance

Styles has a solid match with Daniels

https://youtu.be/pd7PIptHLos

Ahhhhh memories, some solid cards

Itssoeasy

Imo if booked right Indi hartwell could be a star on the main roster(well a non horsewoman star) as she has everything.

B.A._Baracus

Random thought: Paul Burchill got screwed over.

From being one of the best up and coming British wrestlers, to getting signed to wwe (back in 2005 when it was much much harder to) then to getting jobbed out and thrown a pirate gimmick. Oh, of course that's after he was shagging his "sister" too. World class gimmick that will get you over there.

The funny thing is the chap is only 42. Yet is gone from any major wrestling promotion for years. Wwe gave him that 'jobber stink' and he couldn't wash it off. Sad really.

Sirsok

Really sad, I remember watching him do some astonishing things in FWA, they treated him like Goldberg and I was very excited when he signed.

Apparently he went onto be a fire fighter after his debacle in WWE.

Such a shame, was a fantastic talent and jaw dropping to watch at times.

Blue_Dabadee

I always liked his finisher when I played SVR 2007.

B.A._Baracus

Muhammed Ali is the original promo king who influenced wrestlers after this.

https://youtu.be/JfvaWi96WEQ

watch from 1:10 but especially from 1:41.

(This was a 1974 bbc interview)

Agent Coulson

Ali spoke often and openly about being inspired by an being in total awe of Gorgeous George who he has credited for giving him his swagger.

ThePott

Was gonna say, Ali credited Gorgeous George but of course Ali probably inspired way more considering his platform.

Itssoeasy

Twenty three years ago tonight both WCW and WWF aired(because one was taped and one was live) what are now famous moments and not both good.

WCW

WWF

https://youtu.be/KybuIy0wKXk

Now many have said that the finger poke of doom is what turned them off watching WCW and because Tony Schiavone revealed the result of the title match on raw(to be fair he was instructed to do so) which when you look at the ratings thousands of people switched to raw and many never came back.

BTW, that pop for Austin is god like.

B.A._Baracus

Very interesting Itssoeasy. I know both moments very well but didn't know they aired the same night.

But, as you say, wcw revealing mankind won has gone down in history to be one of the dumbest things ever haha. Like, they thought people would continue to watch nitro. But it had to complete opposite effect because, again as you say, thousands switched to witness that moment. Lol.

Itssoeasy

https://youtu.be/uRGQugQpjz8

20 years ago today on January 7th,2002 at MSG triple H returned after tearing his quad in May 2001 during a tag match. That response from the crowd is up there with the best there’s ever been. Also, it helps that JR is on commentary to tell the story.

Agent Coulson

When the wrestling wars eventually end Impact will be the last company standing.

J. Marston

JBL, The Wrestling Gaaawd, was a great gimmick.

Loughc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118446398#Comment_118446398

The cockroach of the wrestling world.

Loughc

https://twitter.com/deadhomers/status/502999690577973248?s=21

Replace Wings with Raw/NXT/Smackdown and that sums up my interest in WWE these days. Even the Rumble does nothing for me.

Pentecost

I'll watch it because it's on a Saturday this year otherwise I probably wouldn't bother. Also I keep forgetting to cancel the Network so I may as well get some use out of it.

ThePott

I actually think the card looks really solid this year. Granted I always get excited for the Rumble even if it often disappoints, it being on a Saturday is a definite plus though haven't stayed up for a wrestling PPV in a long time.

B.A._Baracus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118446515#Comment_118446515

It's weird the way certain wrestlers use religious terminology. Like jbl saying God, but more so triple h being the king of Kings. I know they're just names and it's not like I am overly religious. Just an odd choice.

Isn't it egotistical to call yourself after jesus lol.

urban_nudist

Twenty year anniversary of CZW's Answering The Challenge.

Coming off the success of Cage of Death III in Dec '01, Justice Pain issued an open challenge in front of a rapturous Philly crowd at the ECW arena.

Messiah, a California standout, debuts on the East Coast and in the process sets himself up for a run as one of CZW's biggest names for the following 5 years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CypaWjxdD-k

Agent Coulson

Matt Cardona is awesome.

CastorTroy

After posting about PCO in the Royal Rumble thread, I was wondering who has left WWE and come back under the name/character he developed on the indies? I know EC3 could be one but he was still pretty much developmental when he left. Drew went away as Galloway and came back resuming the McIntyre name. John Morrison went and came back resuming his WWE name.

urban_nudist

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118477902#Comment_118477902

I know Bobby Roode done some dark WWE stuff in the early 00's before being signing with TNA full time

K-Kwik left in 2002, returning as Ron 'R-Truth' Killings in 2008 (What's UP!!!)

Can't think of any more off the top of my head

Blue_Dabadee

It is so strange looking back at Cena/Rock feud from 10 years ago.

Cena thought he would never leave the business, now look where he is at now.

Pentecost

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491951#Comment_118491951

Cedric von Hausen, the Liechtenstein champion came back as Johnny Gargano 😀

CastorTroy

Ah forgot about K-Kwik.

I guess Kevin Nash and Scott Hall would kinda count as well.

Sirsok

Albert/ ATrain coming back as Tensai.

Crowd jumped on that very quickly!

Demotion Axe coming back as the Repo Man?

One man gang become Akeem?

*edit just seen you said developed on the indies....

Broken Matt maybe?

Itssoeasy

Tomorrow is the 25th anniversary of the 1997 royal rumble which was live from the Alamodome in San Antonio, Texas. This is the one won by Austin after he was thrown out of the ring but came back in and won, which lead to the fatal four way the next month.

Tomorrow is also the 30th anniversary of my favourite royal rumble, the “it’s not fair to flair” edition aka the 1992 royal rumble. The match was great and also Bobby Heenan and gorilla monsoon were perfect on commentary.

Because it happens in and around my birthday I’ve always had a fondness for this event, more so than even mania.

Itssoeasy

Tonight is the twentieth anniversary of the 2002 royal rumble which was held in Atlanta, at the then brand new Phillips arena. Triple H returned to win the rumble and then their was the stuff with angle after that. We had the match between flair and vince which like most Vince matches was better then it had right to be. We had the return of Mr Perfect to WWF and we had the moment we probably all remember which is maven from tough enough eliminating the undertaker and instantly regretting it and getting a tour of the Philips arena.