Is anyone else starting to become a bit excited?

Jafin

FFVII wrote: »

https://www.reuters.com/business/metaverse-bet-crypto-rich-investors-snap-up-virtual-real-estate-2021-04-19/

...what the actual f**k.

Blazer

Jafin wrote: »

...what the actual f**k.

that will be massive down the road..
Once VR becomes mainstream across the board and people start using it more often whether for fun , meetings etc there'll be a huge demand for items such as this.
Instead of people calling to your house and looking at your painting...people can dial in , see a virtual pic etc and admire it.
These will be highly restricted ie one off versions etc which will have huge demand.
Sounds completely far out but we've seen this before in a game over a decade ago. Can't remember it for the life of me. ah Second Life.

Look at EA sports...people are spending thousands a year to try and get the best cards for a game that only lasts a year.
Now imagine someone have created a one off version of Pele (using blockchain technology) in a decade or two.
Now imagine you can invite your friends over for a game of virtual soccer and they see Pele in your 5 a side team. And they know there's only 1 of him in existence. Have you any idea what that would cost?
There's no limit.

There's a good audiobook out there called Ready Player one.
People see it as nostalgic for the 80's video gaming etc.
But what they're missing is what they call the oasis in it. ITs a virtual world where you can game, shop, review stuff, learn etc etc.
And in this Oasis manufacturers do their advertising in.
This is the future down the road.

Connavar

Blazer wrote: »

that will be massive down the road..
Once VR becomes mainstream across the board and people start using it more often whether for fun , meetings etc there'll be a huge demand for items such as this.
Instead of people calling to your house and looking at your painting...people can dial in , see a virtual pic etc and admire it.
These will be highly restricted ie one off versions etc which will have huge demand.
Sounds completely far out but we've seen this before in a game over a decade ago. Can't remember it for the life of me. ah Second Life.

Look at EA sports...people are spending thousands a year to try and get the best cards for a game that only lasts a year.
Now imagine someone have created a one off version of Pele (using blockchain technology) in a decade or two.
Now imagine you can invite your friends over for a game of virtual soccer and they see Pele in your 5 a side team. And they know there's only 1 of him in existence. Have you any idea what that would cost?
There's no limit.

There's a good audiobook out there called Ready Player one.
People see it as nostalgic for the 80's video gaming etc.
But what they're missing is what they call the oasis in it. ITs a virtual world where you can game, shop, review stuff, learn etc etc.
And in this Oasis manufacturers do their advertising in.
This is the future down the road.

Also a movie based on the same.


I think what catches me is how people are spending that kind of money on these vr spaces in places that arent in any way mainstream.

Blazer

Connavar wrote: »

Also a movie based on the same.


I think what catches me is how people are spending that kind of money on these vr spaces in places that arent in any way mainstream.

we won't even mention that god awful movie


These guy are just getting out there in front.
Look at early bitcoin adopters. Lots of people thought they were mad to be wasting electricity on it.

Right now we're in the middle of a digital transformation.
Hell they reckon that at least 70 % of primary school kids today will be working in jobs that don't yet exist.
I can see it already in my company where we're rapidly using AI/ automation to replace manual tasks that before took minutes and now only take seconds.
Down the road in about 2 years I foresee that the basic part of my job will be obsolete because our bot will be doing that work which is why I'm upskilling etc.

Jafin

Blazer wrote: »

that will be massive down the road..
Once VR becomes mainstream across the board and people start using it more often whether for fun , meetings etc there'll be a huge demand for items such as this.
Instead of people calling to your house and looking at your painting...people can dial in , see a virtual pic etc and admire it.
These will be highly restricted ie one off versions etc which will have huge demand.
Sounds completely far out but we've seen this before in a game over a decade ago. Can't remember it for the life of me. ah Second Life.

Look at EA sports...people are spending thousands a year to try and get the best cards for a game that only lasts a year.
Now imagine someone have created a one off version of Pele (using blockchain technology) in a decade or two.
Now imagine you can invite your friends over for a game of virtual soccer and they see Pele in your 5 a side team. And they know there's only 1 of him in existence. Have you any idea what that would cost?
There's no limit.

There's a good audiobook out there called Ready Player one.
People see it as nostalgic for the 80's video gaming etc.
But what they're missing is what they call the oasis in it. ITs a virtual world where you can game, shop, review stuff, learn etc etc.
And in this Oasis manufacturers do their advertising in.
This is the future down the road.

I mean I guess that all kind of makes sense. I've seen the Ready Player One movie, but not read the book, and of course the concept is amazing. I just think it's bonkers that people are spending so much money on virtual...land. I know that microtransactions are big in gaming, I get that. Heck I've even gone through my fair share of phases of being addicted to mobile games that were heavy on microtransactions before realising I was paying a lot of money every year for essentially nothing.

But hey, I'm not here to police how people spend their money. If someone wants something virtual and they have the money then by all means go for it. I suppose it's just another example of physical belongings slowly becoming digital belongings. We're already well past the point of no return for that when it comes to movies, music and video games, so I guess art and "land" are the next step.

cc87

Jeff2 wrote: »

Some crash now.

Was it the Binance downtime caused?
Seems like there was huge selling across the board leading up to it

Graham

I suspect the other way round, huge selling caused Binance problems.

makeorbrake

Blazer wrote: »

Right now we're in the middle of a digital transformation.
Hell they reckon that at least 70 % of primary school kids today will be working in jobs that don't yet exist.

They had better be dreaming up some new lines of work as what's coming down the line is pretty profound. We should be no more than 10 years away from making current global car stock obsolete and finally have self driving properly available. Millions of drivers are going to be excess to requirements.

I struggle with the whole NFT thing although I have to admit that it has an old world equivalent (folks parting with big bucks for first edition books or original art pieces even when someone can whip up a copy and enjoy it visually and be unable to tell the difference). I find that moronic but clearly its been proven over many years already.
The virtual worlds thing I find even harder to get my head around - but again I accept that its going to happen...starting with a generation that is born into that.

cc87 wrote: »

Was it the Binance downtime caused?
Seems like there was huge selling across the board leading up to it

In recent times, more often than not, its been caused by gamblers getting well beyond their skis via leverage. Throw in some FUD narratives to go along with that.

SummerK

I am currently using Revolut to buy BTC/ETH and I see they're charging 2.5% fee. Any recommendation for lower fees? Are Binance, Bitstamp better one's?

makeorbrake

SummerK wrote: »

I am currently using Revolut to buy BTC/ETH and I see they're charging 2.5% fee. Any recommendation for lower fees? Are Binance, Bitstamp better one's?

Not only are they much better re. fees but there's no comparison in terms of the overall product. You have more options with Binance/Bitstamp/Kraken as you're actually buying/selling crypto. That's not the case with Revolut.

SummerK

makeorbrake wrote: »

Not only are they much better re. fees but there's no comparison in terms of the overall product. You have more options with Binance/Bitstamp/Kraken as you're actually buying/selling crypto. That's not the case with Revolut.

Thanks. I tried comparing fees among Binance/Bitstamp/Kraken and it appears Bitstamp is lowest at 0.5%. Is my understanding correct?

Dades

So it appears everyone is selling up to buy Safemoon.

Looks like it's about to hit a $0.00001 milestone.

antfin

SummerK wrote: »

I am currently using Revolut to buy BTC/ETH and I see they're charging 2.5% fee. Any recommendation for lower fees? Are Binance, Bitstamp better one's?

If your set on continuing to use Revolut you can pay the €7.99 per month for a premium plan and the fee goes down to 1.5%. That could save multiple times the subscription price if you're buying or selling regularly or the fees on trading anything over €8,000 would be more than a full year of subscription to a premium plan.

cnocbui

makeorbrake wrote: »

They had better be dreaming up some new lines of work as what's coming down the line is pretty profound. We should be no more than 10 years away from making current global car stock obsolete and finally have self driving properly available. Millions of drivers are going to be excess to requirements.

I struggle with the whole NFT thing although I have to admit that it has an old world equivalent (folks parting with big bucks for first edition books or original art pieces even when someone can whip up a copy and enjoy it visually and be unable to tell the difference). I find that moronic but clearly its been proven over many years already.
The virtual worlds thing I find even harder to get my head around - but again I accept that its going to happen...starting with a generation that is born into that.

In recent times, more often than not, its been caused by gamblers getting well beyond their skis via leverage. Throw in some FUD narratives to go along with that.

There is not even the slightest possibility of making sufficient batteries within 10 years to make the worlds car fleet obsolete.

Self driving doesn't work - two people killed in just the last 3 days thinking a Tesla could self drive. Autonomous driving will IMO, never work, as I believe general intelligence is required for real driving and no neural network or any other technology can deliver that.

If you are old enough, you might recall dire predictions in the late 70's that the world had a population crisis and the world would shortly run out of food. Never happened and now there is a significant global food surplus.

Another more recent one was peak oil and how we would soon have a major crisis in running out of oil - and no, EV's had nothing to do with proving that one false either.

As for most kids working in jobs that don't yet exist - more BS - just like 40 years ago predictions were that nuclear fusion would soon be a reality and the world would be swimming in almost free electricity.

makeorbrake

cnocbui wrote: »

There is not even the slightest possibility of making sufficient batteries within 10 years to make the worlds car fleet obsolete.

That could well be a major stumbling block - that's fair enough.

cnocbui wrote: »

Self driving doesn't work - two people killed in just the last 3 days thinking a Tesla could self drive. Autonomous driving will IMO, never work, as I believe general intelligence is required for real driving and no neural network or any other technology can deliver that.

Lazy 'journalism' drives that. The reality is that its already much safer - but tabloid style reporting of issues - feeds on the tendency of people to fear change - holding this back. In spite of said issues, if the entire world switched to self driving today, there would be a hell of a lot less people getting killed and injured on our roads. We're holding self-driving standards to a higher standard than ourselves.

cnocbui wrote: »

If you are old enough, you might recall dire predictions in the late 70's that the world had a population crisis and the world would shortly run out of food. Never happened and now there is a significant global food surplus.

Another more recent one was peak oil and how we would soon have a major crisis in running out of oil - and no, EV's had nothing to do with proving that one false either.

Yeah, I'm not concerned about humans sitting at home with no job. The world evolves - and there will be new jobs. But I do believe this change is coming.

cnocbui wrote: »

As for most kids working in jobs that don't yet exist - more BS - just like 40 years ago predictions were that nuclear fusion would soon be a reality and the world would be swimming in almost free electricity.

Things can often take longer to arrive than envisaged. I'm no spring chicken at this point - automation a couple of decades ago already instilled fear that we'd all be out of work. To your point, it never happened. However, technology is picking up the pace exponentially now. No-coiners complain that this blockchain thing - its been around for ages already and has achieved nothing. AI has been around for much much longer. However, it's now finally coming through.

Blazer

makeorbrake wrote: »

Things can often take longer to arrive than envisaged. I'm no spring chicken at this point - automation a couple of decades ago already instilled fear that we'd all be out of work. To your point, it never happened. However, technology is picking up the pace exponentially now. No-coiners complain that this blockchain thing - its been around for ages already and has achieved nothing. AI has been around for much much longer. However, it's now finally coming through.

Exactly.
I work in IT and the changes in software/automation over the past 10 years are like magic.
15 years ago I was creating standalone VMs using microsoft or VMware just for fun.
Around 2007/8 we started using VMs to replace physical servers but even this was restricted due to technology..ie no large disk spaces, no databases due to a high IO requirement etc.
Fast forward to now. You can create or destroy a server in seconds in AWS or Azure.
You can have as large you want , run databases on them, replicate those at a click etc.
You can make virtual networks that reside on a basic network and you can simply pop off to another data centre, click and voila..you're replicated your environment in the virtual world.

Every business right now is making the transition . any that doesn't or fall behind will simply fade away to obscurity.


And its not that automation will replace every job.
Most jobs at risk are admin roles, accountants, legal staff etc are all high risk in the next 10/20 years.

cnocbui

makeorbrake wrote: »

Lazy 'journalism' drives that. The reality is that its already much safer - but tabloid style reporting of issues - feeds on the tendency of people to fear change - holding this back. In spite of said issues, if the entire world switched to self driving today, there would be a hell of a lot less people getting killed and injured on our roads. We're holding self-driving standards to a higher standard than ourselves.

Speaking of lazy - this isn't the place for it, but autonomous driving that is safer than humans does not already exist - not even close. You'd have to be swallowing Teslas garbage propaganda, despite being told off by the NHTSA for doing so. The recent deaths have nothing to do with lazy journalism - they believed Musk's BS and they died.

cnocbui

Blazer wrote: »

Exactly.
I work in IT and the changes in software/automation over the past 10 years are like magic.
15 years ago I was creating standalone VMs using microsoft or VMware just for fun.
Around 2007/8 we started using VMs to replace physical servers but even this was restricted due to technology..ie no large disk spaces, no databases due to a high IO requirement etc.
Fast forward to now. You can create or destroy a server in seconds in AWS or Azure.
You can have as large you want , run databases on them, replicate those at a click etc.
You can make virtual networks that reside on a basic network and you can simply pop off to another data centre, click and voila..you're replicated your environment in the virtual world.

Every business right now is making the transition . any that doesn't or fall behind will simply fade away to obscurity.


And its not that automation will replace every job.
Most jobs at risk are admin roles, accountants, legal staff etc are all high risk in the next 10/20 years.

IT, blah, blah - and then you have this: http://www.southernmachinery.ie/

makeorbrake

cnocbui wrote: »

Speaking of lazy - this isn't the place for it, but autonomous driving that is safer than humans does not already exist - not even close. You'd have to be swallowing Teslas garbage propaganda, despite being told off by the NHTSA for doing so. The recent deaths have nothing to do with lazy journalism - they believed Musk's BS and they died.

Speaking of lazy?
You're talking about a specific instance firstly. How many people have died on the worlds roads in the few minutes we've exchanged these messages? It's always the same with new tech - the downside gets exaggerated - tapping in to people's fears of what they know little of.

"So far, in all the data gathered, it would appear that self-driving cars are much safer than human-driven cars, but a lot of work needs to be done to prove this. Self-driving cars are made safe, given that their sensors and response times are all electronic and mechanical, making them by nature faster than humans."

LINK.

circadian

cnocbui wrote: »

IT, blah, blah - and then you have this: http://www.southernmachinery.ie/

Ah, they're just missing the SSL redirection, https://southernmachinery.ie works fine.

Still.

Schoolboyerror.

Blazer

cnocbui wrote: »

IT, blah, blah - and then you have this: http://www.southernmachinery.ie/

guaranteed to be human error then as well

makeorbrake

circadian wrote: »

Ah, they're just missing the SSL redirection, https://southernmachinery.ie works fine.

Still.

Schoolboyerror.

That would be like....hmm...i dunno....maybe HUMAN error, right?

cnocbui

makeorbrake wrote: »

Speaking of lazy?
You're talking about a specific instance firstly. How many people have died on the worlds roads in the few minutes we've exchanged these messages? It's always the same with new tech - the downside gets exaggerated - tapping in to people's fears of what they know little of.

"So far, in all the data gathered, it would appear that self-driving cars are much safer than human-driven cars, but a lot of work needs to be done to prove this. Self-driving cars are made safe, given that their sensors and response times are all electronic and mechanical, making them by nature faster than humans."

LINK.

That link is beyond risible - absolute garbage with no reference to credible data. The author even cited Musk, who's a lying toad. Referencing Waymo's stats is also simply not on, given they almost exclusively drive in deserts in good weather.

cnocbui

Blazer wrote: »

guaranteed to be human error then as well

You must be really new to IT.

To err is human, to really foul things up requires a computer.

The Guvnor

Dades wrote: »

So it appears everyone is selling up to buy Safemoon.

Looks like it's about to hit a $0.00001 milestone.

You jinxed it Dades :D

Once it hit 85 the sell off started - it held well - peppered 90 but now sitting under 80.

Hopefully it can consolidate and eat another zero soon. I'll not complain - the run up it had since Friday was immense - 15x+

I thought it had a shot at the zero today as well but at 85 you could see things over heating.

antimatterx

How do you buy safe moon?

I'm out of doge and moved my profits into BTC AND ETH. I wouldn't mind making some more money from a **** coin to move into the big two

Graham

You might be safer to assume anything moved into a ****coin is never coming back :pac:

antimatterx

Absolutely true. It's a gamble.

qwabercd

antfin wrote: »

If your set on continuing to use Revolut you can pay the €7.99 per month for a premium plan and the fee goes down to 1.5%. That could save multiple times the subscription price if you're buying or selling regularly or the fees on trading anything over €8,000 would be more than a full year of subscription to a premium plan.

Just wanted to check, is it possible to join premium, sell all my Holdings and avail of the lower rate and then unsubscribe from premium? Or is there a minimum period you need to remain premium?

Dades

The Guvnor wrote: »

You jinxed it Dades :D

Once it hit 85 the sell off started - it held well - peppered 90 but now sitting under 80.

It did hit 0.000013 !

Dipped big, then back again. I've hovered over the SWAP button all afternoon. :pac:

antimatterx wrote: »

How do you buy safe moon?

Pancake swap using BNB was what I used. There's a few vid floating around on YouTube.

antfin

qwabercd wrote: »

Just wanted to check, is it possible to join premium, sell all my Holdings and avail of the lower rate and then unsubscribe from premium? Or is there a minimum period you need to remain premium?

I think there's a break fee of €16 if you terminate before 12 months plus the cost of the card including delivery if you ordered a card.

SummerK

antfin wrote: »

I think there's a break fee of €16 if you terminate before 12 months plus the cost of the card including delivery if you ordered a card.

I think there is no breakage fee if you terminate in the first 14 days of subscription.

antfin

SummerK wrote: »

I think there is no breakage fee if you terminate in the first 14 days of subscription.

But will they allow someone to potentially save hundreds in reduced trading fees and still terminate without paying a fee? I would assume that's a 14 cooling off period without substantial use of the benefits on a premium account.

BanditLuke

The Guvnor wrote: »

You jinxed it Dades :D

Once it hit 85 the sell off started - it held well - peppered 90 but now sitting under 80.

Hopefully it can consolidate and eat another zero soon. I'll not complain - the run up it had since Friday was immense - 15x+

I thought it had a shot at the zero today as well but at 85 you could see things over heating.

Long term hold for me. Amazing what it's done thus far

Mr Rhode Island Red

Ok I'm gone out of DOGE, the magic 40 or 50 cents doesn't appear to be happening and the Americans are well awake by this stage. Sold at a 35% profit which I know is pitiful compared to some of the gains reported over the last week but is a result of my own FOMO and greed. Still glad I held however since it was able to tank the brunt of the dip over the weekend.


So I want to move into staking something. Kraken offers the following:
DOT @ 12% APY

Kusama @ 12% APY
Kava @ 4.5% APY
ATOM @ 7% APY
Tezos @ 5.5% APY
Flow @ 9% APY


I'm leaning towards Tezos or ATOM, particularly Tezos since they recently launched their marketing campaign and it might make for a 3x by EOY. The rewards for DOT and KSM seem good but the inflation of their respective coins means the rewards are a good bit less in reality, probably closer to 2 or 3%.



Is that APY for Tezos decent? Would it be one of the better choices out of the options listed?



Ethereum is also offered but there are wait times associated with staking and unstaking which I would like to avoid.

Rob2D

I'm finally learning a bit.

Moving everything to Tether last night saved me a bit of a dip for sure. And this morning I dedcided that Monero was looking healthy lately so I put my USDT into that. Needless to say I've had a good day. And I've learned to set stop losses so I don't have to watch the chart all the time.

Meself

Mr Rhode Island Red wrote: »

Ok I'm gone out of DOGE, the magic 40 or 50 cents doesn't appear to be happening and the Americans are well awake by this stage. Sold at a 35% profit which I know is pitiful compared to some of the gains reported over the last week but is a result of my own FOMO and greed. Still glad I held however since it was able to tank the brunt of the dip over the weekend.


So I want to move into staking something. Kraken offers the following:
DOT @ 12% APY

Kusama @ 12% APY
Kava @ 4.5% APY
ATOM @ 7% APY
Tezos @ 5.5% APY
Flow @ 9% APY


I'm leaning towards Tezos or ATOM, particularly Tezos since they recently launched their marketing campaign and it might make for a 3x by EOY. The rewards for DOT and KSM seem good but the inflation of their respective coins means the rewards are a good bit less in reality, probably closer to 2 or 3%.



Is that APY for Tezos decent? Would it be one of the better choices out of the options listed?



Ethereum is also offered but there are wait times associated with staking and unstaking which I would like to avoid.

Zil at 15% staked

HGVRHKYY

cnocbui wrote: »

There is not even the slightest possibility of making sufficient batteries within 10 years to make the worlds car fleet obsolete.

Self driving doesn't work - two people killed in just the last 3 days thinking a Tesla could self drive. Autonomous driving will IMO, never work, as I believe general intelligence is required for real driving and no neural network or any other technology can deliver that.

If you are old enough, you might recall dire predictions in the late 70's that the world had a population crisis and the world would shortly run out of food. Never happened and now there is a significant global food surplus.

Another more recent one was peak oil and how we would soon have a major crisis in running out of oil - and no, EV's had nothing to do with proving that one false either.

As for most kids working in jobs that don't yet exist - more BS - just like 40 years ago predictions were that nuclear fusion would soon be a reality and the world would be swimming in almost free electricity.

Who knew that extremely complex tech would take longer than expected. What makes it harder is the fact that it requires insane funding for R&D, so I wouldn't say all of this type of stuff is BS just because it isn't here and perfected already, it is still all coming, but it just takes longer than the more eager people who are interested in them predicted. I think it's better to not be rigid about time-frames on these type of things, but just be open to the real possibility that they are at least coming in our lifetimes

dan786

qwabercd wrote: »

Just wanted to check, is it possible to join premium, sell all my Holdings and avail of the lower rate and then unsubscribe from premium? Or is there a minimum period you need to remain premium?

Its a 12 month subscription.

Blazer

cnocbui wrote: »

You must be really new to IT.

I’m thinking you’re more likely clueless about it,

Jeff2

Wake up everyone, we're off again.
Up it goes.

Eta: I thought this was Monday and expected it go up Tuesday.

I really should know what day of the week it is but a lot going on.

mdmix

Mr Rhode Island Red wrote: »

Ok I'm gone out of DOGE, the magic 40 or 50 cents doesn't appear to be happening and the Americans are well awake by this stage. Sold at a 35% profit which I know is pitiful compared to some of the gains reported over the last week but is a result of my own FOMO and greed. Still glad I held however since it was able to tank the brunt of the dip over the weekend.


So I want to move into staking something. Kraken offers the following:
DOT @ 12% APY

Kusama @ 12% APY
Kava @ 4.5% APY
ATOM @ 7% APY
Tezos @ 5.5% APY
Flow @ 9% APY


I'm leaning towards Tezos or ATOM, particularly Tezos since they recently launched their marketing campaign and it might make for a 3x by EOY. The rewards for DOT and KSM seem good but the inflation of their respective coins means the rewards are a good bit less in reality, probably closer to 2 or 3%.



Is that APY for Tezos decent? Would it be one of the better choices out of the options listed?



Ethereum is also offered but there are wait times associated with staking and unstaking which I would like to avoid.

Binance offer locked staking periodically. currently offering 25% apy for 15 days, or 12% for 90 days. while I like tezos as a project, it performs pretty poor against bitcoin, so don't really have an interest buying into it. Maybe things will change, best of luck if you go with it

Mr Rhode Island Red

mdmix wrote: »

Binance offer locked staking periodically. currently offering 25% apy for 15 days, or 12% for 90 days. while I like tezos as a project, it performs pretty poor against bitcoin, so don't really have an interest buying into it. Maybe things will change, best of luck if you go with it

What coin(s) is that 25% offered on? Could you give a link, I can't seem to find it on binance.

Entonces

Mr Rhode Island Red wrote: »

What coin(s) is that 25% offered on? Could you give a link, I can't seem to find it on binance.

Anyone planning to take part in Kusama parachain auctions? Could be a nice way to put some KSM to work for a while

Jeff2

I setup Revolut alarm for for BTC to go below €50k and I got alert when the day low was above €50k.
I should have seen it coming.

BrandonBay86

So we’ve done it the last 2 years here may as well do it again.

Any guess on December 31st 2021 price for BTC & ETH? Feel free to comment your own alt predictions too but only if you are giving a prediction on the above two also.

I’ll start.

BTC $250,000
ETh $7500 (pains me to say it)

HGVRHKYY

BrandonBay86 wrote: »

So we’ve done it the last 2 years here may as well do it again.

Any guess on December 31st 2021 price for BTC & ETH? Feel free to comment your own alt predictions too but only if you are giving a prediction on the above two also.

I’ll start.

BTC $250,000
ETh $7500 (pains me to say it)

Why would it pain you to say $7,500 ETH lol?

And I'll guess

BTC $172,000
ETH $8,300

Jeff2

XRP ripple flying it .

el diablo

BrandonBay86 wrote: »

So we’ve done it the last 2 years here may as well do it again.

Any guess on December 31st 2021 price for BTC & ETH? Feel free to comment your own alt predictions too but only if you are giving a prediction on the above two also.

I’ll start.

BTC $250,000
ETh $7500 (pains me to say it)

BTC: $62,357
ETH: $2,971

Jeff2

Jeff2 wrote: »

XRP ripple flying it .

Sold 50% @ €1.21.
Sleep now.