How do people smoke that sh1t?

Sorry about that

Greentopia wrote: »

If it does I seriously doubt weed will be the cause of it. More likely it will help him cope with the stress of being a doctor

He's been smoking it since he was a teen and is now 32 and still a fully functioning adult. Why on earth do you think weed would cause anyones life to fall apart?

I don't smoke it now but the times I have in the past it's only made me feel more relaxed and happy. You'll have to come up with some strong convincing factual evidence to prove to me weed could have the effect you claim.

Dr Matthew Sadler, consultant psychiatrist speaking at the IMO conference last April:

Dr Sadlier said his reading of cannabis had always been that it had never been shown to be an effective medicinal product and has never been able to get past regulatory authorities.

“It is a compound that I would love to be banished from the planet. It does more damage to humans than any drug that is out there,” he said.

He said that, in his work as a general adult psychiatrist in north Dublin over the last five years, he could comfortably say that a third of all his patients had been referred because of cannabis.

Stab*City

I know a very very close friend who smokes weed all day every day and has done for at least 20 years. He is normal I guess except for the fact that he doesn't drink.

jester77

Feck the hash, just stick to the buds and you will be ok

xckjoo

Sorry about that wrote: »

Dr Matthew Sadler, consultant psychiatrist speaking at the IMO conference last April:

Dr Sadlier said his reading of cannabis had always been that it had never been shown to be an effective medicinal product and has never been able to get past regulatory authorities.

“It is a compound that I would love to be banished from the planet. It does more damage to humans than any drug that is out there,” he said.

He said that, in his work as a general adult psychiatrist in north Dublin over the last five years, he could comfortably say that a third of all his patients had been referred because of cannabis.

I do have a worry about potential psychology issues from abuse of marijuana (again, I know a few personally that needed intervention) but that sounds like hyperbole and observational bias. Most dangerous drug my hole. The good doctor should know that personal anecdotal experiences are not proof of anything.
Agree on the lack of medical benefits. They're currently tenuous at best.

Stab*City

Sore bu*s all around

Deebles McBeebles

Stab*City wrote: »

I know a very very close friend who smokes weed all day every day and has done for at least 20 years. He is normal I guess except for the fact that he doesn't drink.

After reading this thread one might be shocked that this could happen. Its almost as if not everyone becomes psychotic because they've smoked a plant.

Sorry about that

xckjoo wrote: »

I do have a worry about potential psychology issues from abuse of marijuana (again, I know a few personally that needed intervention) but that sounds like hyperbole and observational bias. Most dangerous drug my hole. The good doctor should know that personal anecdotal experiences are not proof of anything.
Agree on the lack of medical benefits. They're currently tenuous at best.

Yes, a bit extreme, but I believe that he is presenting the evidence as well as his expertise to affect a change in attitude to the drug. A bit of arm waving is acceptable when trying to improve public health. A third of admissions due to cannabis is shocking.

some dealers just don't give a sh1t

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/07/man_who_refused_to_poo_for_almost_seven_weeks_released_from_prison/

xckjoo

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Yes, a bit extreme, but I believe that he is presenting the evidence as well as his expertise to affect a change in attitude to the drug. A bit of arm waving is acceptable when trying to improve public health. A third of admissions due to cannabis is shocking.

Ya agreed. But I'm not sure the approach is the best. Reminds me of the old "Reefer Madness" approach that tried to scare people into thinking one puff would turn you into a raving lunatic. I think it backfires then when people actually encounter it and see that you can smoke and not go insane. They then lose faith in what they're being told and won't heed more accurate warnings. Nancy Regans "Just Say No" campaign is thought to have suffered from similar issues.

I think the bigger question is why are so many people smoking themselves into psychosis? It's not like they're having one joint and losing the plot, it just doesn't work that way.

Sorry about that

xckjoo wrote: »

Ya agreed. But I'm not sure the approach is the best. Reminds me of the old "Reefer Madness" approach that tried to scare people into thinking one puff would turn you into a raving lunatic. I think it backfires then when people actually encounter it and see that you can smoke and not go insane. They then lose faith in what they're being told and won't heed more accurate warnings. Nancy Regans "Just Say No" campaign is thought to have suffered from similar issues.

I think the bigger question is why are so many people smoking themselves into psychosis? It's not like they're having one joint and losing the plot, it just doesn't work that way.

It honestly happened to me. I would’ve smoked a few times with friends, and had a whitey (think that’s what they called it then!), every time. Then the last time was when I had a small joint myself, as my friends had gone to sleep. I went mad. Not out of control or anything, but absolutely lost, and paranoid about BEING paranoid, for about 4 days. Almost presented to hospital for psychiatric care, but eventually it passed. So obviously some people are fine, but there are people who can get very unwell very easily on it.

Sorry about that

Sorry about that wrote: »

It honestly happened to me. I would’ve smoked a few times with friends, and had a whitey (think that’s what they called it then!), every time. Then the last time was when I had a small joint myself, as my friends had gone to sleep. I went mad. Not out of control or anything, but absolutely lost, and paranoid about BEING paranoid, for about 4 days. Almost presented to hospital for psychiatric care, but eventually it passed. So obviously some people are fine, but there are people who can get very unwell very easily on it.

yes there definitely is a blaise attitude in some quarters and lots of people saying "nobody ever od'd on grass" etc but it's not that simple.

xckjoo

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It honestly happened to me. I would’ve smoked a few times with friends, and had a whitey (think that’s what they called it then!), every time. Then the last time was when I had a small joint myself, as my friends had gone to sleep. I went mad. Not out of control or anything, but absolutely lost, and paranoid about BEING paranoid, for about 4 days. Almost presented to hospital for psychiatric care, but eventually it passed. So obviously some people are fine, but there are people who can get very unwell very easily on it.

Sorry to hear that man. Used to get loads of whiteys in my youth but they always passed that evening and eventually stopped happening (youthful idiocy made me not just stop all together ). Never got prolonged effects beyond a groggy head the next morning. There definitely seems to be people it just doesn't agree with and are better off avoiding it. The risks seem to be greater the younger you start too, probably due to the brain still developing. The stats out of places like Colorado seem to be showing a decrease in underage smoking after legalisation. Potentially reason alone to look at legalisation IMO. Plus it would take control and money from organised gangs, which can only be a good thing.

hugs_for_drugs

I'd agree abuse of weed can be harmful, but this it's going to lead to pychosis and mental health problems if used in moderation is just pure scaremongering, poly drug abuse is rampant in Ireland and it's easier to say I've just smoked weed, it's weeds fault I've mental health problems, no it either doesn't agree with you or you've underlining mental health problems which the weed has exacerbate.

Also with illegal weed who knows the thc content or CBD content.

Regulate, tolerate and harm reduction is key to help people to moderate their usage of the "devils lettuce" to a harmless level.

Caliden

Sorry about that wrote: »

It honestly happened to me. I would’ve smoked a few times with friends, and had a whitey (think that’s what they called it then!), every time. Then the last time was when I had a small joint myself, as my friends had gone to sleep. I went mad. Not out of control or anything, but absolutely lost, and paranoid about BEING paranoid, for about 4 days. Almost presented to hospital for psychiatric care, but eventually it passed. So obviously some people are fine, but there are people who can get very unwell very easily on it.

Was it weed or was it that ****e you get from headshops? Spice gold or whatever it's called.

Sorry about that

Caliden wrote: »

Was it weed or was it that ****e you get from headshops? Spice gold or whatever it's called.

Resin, and it was in the mid 90's, so I'm not sure head shops were a thing then. I know it wasn't the drug, it was me, friends were grand.

Deebles McBeebles

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Resin, and it was in the mid 90's, so I'm not sure head shops were a thing then. I know it wasn't the drug, it was me, friends were grand.

That was dirty stuff, the hash in the 90's. Full of diesel and rat poison. Thankfully its a thing of the past now.

Sorry about that

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

That was dirty stuff, the hash in the 90's. Full of diesel and rat poison. Thankfully its a thing of the past now.

Jaysis... hope my kids take after their Dad.

Ragnar Lothbrok

Greentopia wrote: »

He doesn't take it for anxiety, he takes it to relax after his studies and when he goes to gigs. The one side effect of years of smoking it is some memory loss he tells me, but other than that it doesn't appear to have affected his life in any negative way that I know of. And as a newly graduated doctor I would imagine he has more knowledge on the subject to know what he's doing and the possible side effects than most people.

Very comforting to think that a doctor would suffer from cannabis-induced memory loss.

Please let us know his name, just in case any of us need life-saving medical help, and don't want to rely on a stoned, forgetful doctor.

maccored

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Nah, if lads want to smoke their brains out then they can do so. Just stating fact though in saying that the growhouse weed lads are toking on these days is causing a massive spike in the cases of life-changing psychosis and paranoia presenting to mental health services. It’s not a harmless drug.

I think - like anything - if someone is going to smoke weed, they'd be best to have a fair idea where its coming from. God knows what can be added

nthclare

Greentopia wrote: »

Yes for hard drugs, but for cannabis? nah. A good friend of mine just passed his medical exams and the brightest person I know, and he smokes weed almost daily.
People from all walks of life smoke it, nothing to do with intelligence.

Imagine how intelligent he'd be if he wasn't a stoner.

Intelligent idiot comes to mind.

Grayson

jiltloop wrote: »

It's actually mainly buds they mention in the article rather than hash

When I read it I got the impression it was just resin they were talking about. They mention it coming in ingot shapes or acorn shapes and the acorn shapes were the ones worst contaminated.

I read an article years ago where they did a similar study in scotland and found faeces and vinyl in resin. I've always wondered if it was vinyl as in records or as in floor covering.

xckjoo

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

Very comforting to think that a doctor would suffer from cannabis-induced memory loss.

Please let us know his name, just in case any of us need life-saving medical help, and don't want to rely on a stoned, forgetful doctor.

Is it honestly surprising to you that a med student has been smoking weed? Probably one of the milder things they be up to.
He/she passed all the same exams, practicals, etc that the rest of the students did. Their baseline memory is just a lot higher than most of us so they can afford to lose a bit. It's short term memory that suffers too. You'd hope they'll have most of that medical knowledge in their long term memory by the time they graduate.

Grayson

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

That was dirty stuff, the hash in the 90's. Full of diesel and rat poison. Thankfully its a thing of the past now.

The rat poison in hash was always a bit of an urban legend.

I remember the diesel though. For those who don't know about it, quite often hash would be smuggled in fuel tanks. Sometimes the wrapping etc would get damaged and the hash would be soaked by the fuel.

Undividual

By what metric/s is smoking weed worse than drinking? Society generally overreacts to weed in my view mainly due to conservative American propaganda from the 50s-70s.

Seems crazy not to just legalize it and be done with it. Take a generous tax % to cover any associated medical cost. Most importantly, regulate quality and strength. If certain strains lead to memory loss etc, then steer clear. No reason to have the strong stuff that's on the market now for the vast majority of consumers.

Rather than viewing it as a gateway drug (which for some reason alcohol is never seen as despite being a factor in half of all violent crimes), we should take a risk based approach.

Deebles McBeebles

maccored wrote: »

I think - like anything - if someone is going to smoke weed, they'd be best to have a fair idea where its coming from. God knows what can be added

Which is the main argument for catching up with the times and legalising it.

nthclare wrote: »

Imagine how intelligent he'd be if he wasn't a stoner.

Intelligent idiot comes to mind.

Ignorance comes to mind.

Grayson wrote: »

The rat poison in hash was always a bit of an urban legend.

I remember the diesel though. For those who don't know about it, quite often hash would be smuggled in fuel tanks. Sometimes the wrapping etc would get damaged and the hash would be soaked by the fuel.

I've never had it tested or anything but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. Who knows what these crime gangs are willing to cut it with? I have seen bits of fibreglass, plastic and even what I can only assume was speed at one point.

Ragnar Lothbrok

Greentopia wrote: »

If it does I seriously doubt weed will be the cause of it. More likely it will help him cope with the stress of being a doctor

He's been smoking it since he was a teen and is now 32 and still a fully functioning adult. Why on earth do you think weed would cause anyones life to fall apart?

I don't smoke it now but the times I have in the past it's only made me feel more relaxed and happy. You'll have to come up with some strong convincing factual evidence to prove to me weed could have the effect you claim.

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

Very comforting to think that a doctor would suffer from cannabis-induced memory loss.

Please let us know his name, just in case any of us need life-saving medical help, and don't want to rely on a stoned, forgetful doctor.

xckjoo wrote: »

Is it honestly surprising to you that a med student has been smoking weed? Probably one of the milder things they be up to.
He/she passed all the same exams, practicals, etc that the rest of the students did. Their baseline memory is just a lot higher than most of us so they can afford to lose a bit. It's short term memory that suffers too. You'd hope they'll have most of that medical knowledge in their long term memory by the time they graduate.

No longer a student. A fully qualified doctor who has, in the words of the original post, been smoking it constantly for the last 15 or more years.

I'll stick by my original post and hope that I NEVER need medical assistance from this doctor.

nthclare

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Which is the main argument for catching up with the times and legalising it.



Ignorance comes to mind.



I've never had it tested or anything but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. Who knows what these crime gangs are willing to cut it with? I have seen bits of fibreglass, plastic and even what I can only assume was speed at one point.

I wouldn't really say ignorance, more like experience of working with stoners.

They're forgetful, moody, doing drugs, contributing to organised crime, part of that illegal pyramid.

There's young men who've got shot for not having money for drug lords, and some of those sums were very low.
But that's ok sure.
A med student doing dope lol sounds like a great guy.

Some people have an addictive personality and their brain's get friend from smoking dubes.

Paranoid when they haven't had a nodge in a few hours, so they have a fist full of Xanax just in case like.

Untill it's legalized my opinion is they're adding to the criminal pyramid, probably at the bottom but still they're part of the system.

Hopefully he'll get caught

nthclare

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

No longer a student. A fully qualified doctor who has, in the words of the original post, been smoking it constantly for the last 15 or more years.

I'll stick by my original post and hope that I NEVER need medical assistance from this doctor.

Imagine that doctor making a decision, I'd say now he's probably good on paper but other than that an absolute waster.

IAMAMORON

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Nah, if lads want to smoke their brains out then they can do so. Just stating fact though in saying that the growhouse weed lads are toking on these days is causing a massive spike in the cases of life-changing psychosis and paranoia presenting to mental health services. It’s not a harmless drug.

This.


I was a big smoker for about ten years. It definitely wrecks your head after a while. It is not harmless.

I took a couple of puffs at a party last summer and apologised and left, it was no fun whatsoever. Red eyed paranoid nonsense. Great craic if your able to enjoy it.

In fairness I do know people who are regular users and get great benefit from it, but not for me any more.

IAMAMORON

IAMAMORON wrote: »

This.


I was a big smoker for about ten years. It definitely wrecks your head after a while. It is not harmless.

I took a couple of puffs at a party last summer and apologised and left, it was no fun whatsoever. Red eyed paranoid nonsense. Great craic if your able to enjoy it.

In fairness I do know people who are regular users and get great benefit from it, but not for me any more.

I'm the same. It has an unpleasant effect on my mood but I used to like it.

For some, it's grand. For others, it isn't. Like all our vices.


As to the doctor discussion. I'd have no issue with my doctor having a smoke after work if it relaxed him. Better that than stressed and making bad decisions. We don't live in a fairytale world where a doctor quits because of stress.

xckjoo

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

No longer a student. A fully qualified doctor who has, in the words of the original post, been smoking it constantly for the last 15 or more years.

I'll stick by my original post and hope that I NEVER need medical assistance from this doctor.

All I'm saying is it would be naive to think that smoking weed is the worst thing a qualified doctor is doing.

The guy passed all the requirements to become a doctor while smoking weed. Obviously has more brains to burn than most of us. Probably better to get him than the person who just about scraped through the degree

Grayson

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I've never had it tested or anything but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. Who knows what these crime gangs are willing to cut it with? I have seen bits of fibreglass, plastic and even what I can only assume was speed at one point.

Simply cost. I know that they added stuff to drugs like cocaine etc but there's no need to add it to hash. Stuff like strychine costs money and would only increase the cost to produce hash. I know strychine can be inhaled but i don't think it can be smoked. The same goes for speed.

Other impurities are bulking agents. they're added to increase volume. Which means they get more money for less. That's why you'd find lumps of plastic. Even with weed you'll find large twigs etc because that increases the weight and therefore the price of the product.

Haha some amount of pearlclutching Helen Lovejoys in this thread, 'really thankful I wasn't cursed with such narrow mindedness.

It's those that know the least on this subject that you'll always hear bleeting the loudest - manifest ignorance evident the second they can put down their wine, coffee, sleeping tabs and antidepressants long enough to open their mouths and from their bastions of moral rectitude they render their sneering judgements on the "wasters" and "losers" that fall victim to that faceless, predatory spectre of "DRUGS" (which, by their own admission they've never encountered).


Drugs can indeed be very bad kids, and they should always be treated with their deserved respect - but administered safely and properly they can also yield some incredible, life enriching, experiences. They are not inherently bad in and of themselves, and like with most things, it is humans and their capacity for abuse that gives rise to most associated negatives.

legality ≠ morality.

Deebles McBeebles

The WitchKing of Angmar wrote: »

Haha some amount of pearlclutching Helen Lovejoys in this thread

:D:D

hugs_for_drugs

nthclare wrote: »

Imagine that doctor making a decision, I'd say now he's probably good on paper but other than that an absolute waster.

Do you really believe someone who smokes weed is an absolute waster?

If so that's a very narrow minded view, what's your thoughts on a doctor using prescription drugs or drink, if they aren't been abused.

Look at the sezuires guards make re weed and it's still in plentiful supply.

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”

hugs_for_drugs

hugs_for_drugs wrote: »

Do you really believe someone who smokes weed is an absolute waster?

If so that's a very narrow minded view, what's your thoughts on a doctor using prescription drugs or drink, if they aren't been abused.

Look at the sezuires guards make re weed and it's still in plentiful supply.

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”

I love people like that. They're insulated because no one they know would let them know they smoke lest they be judged. So it's all foreign to them and they don't realise their own friends and family are doing it.

BamesJond

All the people worried about doctors having a smoke in the evening need a reality check.

We all know how hard our nurses and doctors work in this country. I wouldn't be surprised at all if *some* enhanced themselves with something or other on a ridiculously long shift.

Sorry about that

The WitchKing of Angmar wrote: »

Haha some amount of pearlclutching Helen Lovejoys in this thread, 'really thankful I wasn't cursed with such narrow mindedness.

It's those that know the least on this subject that you'll always hear bleeting the loudest - manifest ignorance evident the second they can put down their wine, coffee, sleeping tabs and antidepressants long enough to open their mouths and from their bastions of moral rectitude they render their sneering judgements on the "wasters" and "losers" that fall victim to that faceless, predatory spectre of "DRUGS" (which, by their own admission they've never encountered).


Drugs can indeed be very bad kids, and they should always be treated with their deserved respect - but administered safely and properly they can also yield some incredible, life enriching, experiences. They are not inherently bad in and of themselves, and like with most things, it is humans and their capacity for abuse that gives rise to most associated negatives.

legality ≠ morality.

Who's bleating?

PabloAndRoy

greencap wrote: »

ive often times wanted to try different drugs, but then realise that they're probably cut with weird **** or have been up a serbians arse.

i had one offer that i strongly suspect had malicious intention behind it, from a co-worker who was a friend of someone i didn't get on with.
i can imagine what id have been smoking and what they'd have done with it.

Imagine how paranoid you would be had you smoked it.

nthclare

hugs_for_drugs wrote: »

Do you really believe someone who smokes weed is an absolute waster?

If so that's a very narrow minded view, what's your thoughts on a doctor using prescription drugs or drink, if they aren't been abused.

Look at the sezuires guards make re weed and it's still in plentiful supply.

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”

Exactly doing dope over and over again causes insanity, it effects everyone in the vicinity.

It's like this, what that doctor is doing could get him fired, he's irresponsible and he's definitely not firing on all cylinders.

He's probably the nicest guy and a great lad to sit on a rock with and talk about how tree's and all living things vibrate,and how he's in control...

If it was a landscape Gardener or artist I'd understand but a doctor, that's a different kettle of fish.

But a doctor in practice who's stoned frequently is scary, he isn't in control full stop.

Wouldn't a walk or something be better for him or fly fishing....

Chancer2019

Some load of uptight people on this thread badly need to introduce a little bit of mary J into their lonely lives instead of sitting angrily behind a keyboard thinking their old fashioned and right wing opinions carry any weight in todays society. They're the only people who are missing out, stuck in time and afraid to live with even a smidgeen of risk in their lives. Its sad really. The same people are probably somewhat over weight and regularly consuming alcohol to a greater extent than their bodies can handle, yet see no issue with it but cast judgement on an individual for consuming a plant that makes them hungry and happy... and that's before the medical benefits are even considered. They'll be the ones costing the state the most in the end, by <i>their</i> poor choices.

Hypocrisy is rife.

Live and let live I say!

nthclare

nthclare wrote: »

Exactly doing dope over and over again causes insanity, it effects everyone in the vicinity.

It's like this, what that doctor is doing could get him fired, he's irresponsible and he's definitely not firing on all cylinders.

He's probably the nicest guy and a great lad to sit on a rock with and talk about how tree's and all living things vibrate,and how he's in control...

If it was a landscape Gardener or artist I'd understand but a doctor, that's a different kettle of fish.

But a doctor in practice who's stoned frequently is scary, he isn't in control full stop.

Wouldn't a walk or something be better for him or fly fishing....

It's a tired analogy where this discussion is concerned but would you have equal concerns were he to regularly partake in alcohol? It's only that it's so normalised that alcohol use is given a free pass.

If a new drug appeared that made you loud, brash and sometimes violent, lose control of your motor functions, slur your words, vomit and at times collapse entirely unconscious leaving you feeling awful the next day and your doctor was a regular user of this drug would you be okay with it?

nthclare

Chancer2019 wrote: »

Some load of uptight people on this thread badly need to introduce a little bit of mary J into their lonely lives instead of sitting angrily behind a keyboard thinking their old fashioned and right wing opinions carry any weight in todays society. They're the only people who are missing out, stuck in time and afraid to live with even a smidgeen of risk in their lives. Its sad really. The same people are probably somewhat over weight and regularly consuming alcohol to a greater extent than their bodies can handle, yet see no issue with it but cast judgement on an individual for consuming a plant that makes them hungry and happy... and that's before the medical benefits are even considered. They'll be the ones costing the state the most in the end, by <i>their</i> poor choices.

Hypocrisy is rife.

Live and let live I say!

Fancy parking over near Riley's wave in Doonbeag this evening, paddle into the lineup and catch a few wave's.

It'll be better with a bodyboard than a surfboard, you'll get shacked and see the reef open up in front of you.

It's a heavy wave, but you'll enjoy the experience

nthclare

The WitchKing of Angmar wrote: »

It's a tired analogy where this discussion is concerned but would you have equal concerns were he to regularly partake in alcohol? It's only that it's so normalised that alcohol use is given a free pass.

If a new drug appeared that made you loud, brash and sometimes violent, lose control of your motor functions, slur your words, vomit and at times collapse entirely unconscious leaving you feeling awful the next day and your doctor was a regular user of this drug would you be okay with it?

Well its not about anything like what you're saying, deflecting the discussion isn't exactly what a logical discussion is about, that's going into fantasy land.

I leave that for when I'm with my druid friends and smoking verbascum thapsus, much safer and easier to be mullin away...

We can go into the realms of natural light and shadows, mullin away on the hay.

At the end of the day he's not effecting me, but it's principles before personality to be honest.

Chancer2019

nthclare wrote: »

Fancy parking over near Riley's wave in Doonbeag this evening, paddle into the lineup and catch a few wave's.

It'll be better with a bodyboard than a surfboard, you'll get shacked and see the reef open up in front of you.

It's a heavy wave, but you'll enjoy the experience

That would be ideal! And what an evening for it. I'll bring the munchies.

hugs_for_drugs

nthclare wrote: »

Exactly doing dope over and over again causes insanity, it effects everyone in the vicinity.

Have you ever smoked it?

nthclare wrote: »

It's like this, what that doctor is doing could get him fired, he's irresponsible and he's definitely not firing on all cylinders.

Would you say the same for prescription drugs, which are used/abused in that profession?

nthclare wrote: »

He's probably the nicest guy and a great lad to sit on a rock with and talk about how tree's and all living things vibrate,and how he's in control...

Seems like a intelligent person due to becoming a doctor, who enjoys a few spliffs on their down time.

nthclare wrote: »

If it was a landscape Gardener or artist I'd understand but a doctor, that's a different kettle of fish.

We are all different, someone could handle 5 spliffs, another could lose the head.

nthclare wrote: »

But a doctor in practice who's stoned frequently is scary, he isn't in control full stop.

Again what about prescription drugs or alcohol, are they not in full control after they've done both above on their time off?

nthclare wrote: »

Wouldn't a walk or something be better for him or fly fishing....

Who are you to tell what's good for someone else!

Ragnar Lothbrok

The WitchKing of Angmar wrote: »

It's a tired analogy where this discussion is concerned but would you have equal concerns were he to regularly partake in alcohol? It's only that it's so normalised that alcohol use is given a free pass.

If a new drug appeared that made you loud, brash and sometimes violent, lose control of your motor functions, slur your words, vomit and at times collapse entirely unconscious leaving you feeling awful the next day and your doctor was a regular user of this drug would you be okay with it?

Well, I don't want an alcoholic, shaking surgeon, either. I'd prefer if all of my medical assistance was given to me by people who weren't suffering from the long-term effects of any drug, legal or illegal.

Yes, I agree with you that the side effects of alcohol are probably far, far worse than cannabis. And I say that as a fairly heavy drinker, who is quite opposed to cannabis.

Hypocrite? Possibly. I just don't want to see another mind-altering drug become legalised, freely available and socially acceptable.

Like a few others have mentioned in this thread, I did try cannabis a couple of times when I was at college, but it didn't really do anything for me and made me quite ill the last time I tried it. I much preferred the effects of alcohol, and still enjoy those effects

nthclare

hugs_for_drugs wrote: »

Have you ever smoked it?



Would you say the same for prescription drugs, which are used/abused in that profession?



Seems like a intelligent person due to becoming a doctor, who enjoys a few spliffs on their down time.



We are all different, someone could handle 5 spliffs, another could lose the head.



Again what about prescription drugs or alcohol, are they not in full control after they've done both above on their time off?



Who are you to tell what's good for someone else!

I didn't tell what's good for someone else, it was a suggestion, a fresh walk is good.

I smoked it in college, didn't like it.

Of course I'd be against a doctor abusing anything which isn't prescribed or is prescribed for that matter.

As Mr Mackay said "drug's are bad"

Ragnar Lothbrok

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

Well, I don't want an alcoholic, shaking surgeon, either. I'd prefer if all of my medical assistance was given to me by people who weren't suffering from the long-term effects of any drug, legal or illegal.

Yes, I agree with you that the side effects of alcohol are probably far, far worse than cannabis. And I say that as a fairly heavy drinker, who is quite opposed to cannabis.

Hypocrite? Possibly. I just don't want to see another mind-altering drug become legalised, freely available and socially acceptable.

Like a few others have mentioned in this thread, I did try cannabis a couple of times when I was at college, but it didn't really do anything for me and made me quite ill the last time I tried it. I much preferred the effects of alcohol, and still enjoy those effects

That's fair enough, at least you're willing to recognise the disconnect that occurs in the heads of most people love their drink but can't stand the idea of "druggies" smoking cannabis, despite being inveterate drug users themselves (but them ones are legal so they can't be bad!)

xckjoo

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

Well, I don't want an alcoholic, shaking surgeon, either. I'd prefer if all of my medical assistance was given to me by people who weren't suffering from the long-term effects of any drug, legal or illegal.

Yes, I agree with you that the side effects of alcohol are probably far, far worse than cannabis. And I say that as a fairly heavy drinker, who is quite opposed to cannabis.

Hypocrite? Possibly. I just don't want to see another mind-altering drug become legalised, freely available and socially acceptable.

Like a few others have mentioned in this thread, I did try cannabis a couple of times when I was at college, but it didn't really do anything for me and made me quite ill the last time I tried it. I much preferred the effects of alcohol, and still enjoy those effects

Tis fairly hypocritical to be honest :pac: