Boyles acting the maggot again

mick malones mauser

realdanbreen wrote: »

You should have a lie down after that post, I mean William Shakespeare wouldn't be able to compose a post like that!:D

he have should said " bleedin state of dis thread"

Mostly Harmless

Sorry. Have had all my literary knowledge stolen by a thieving betting shop cashier.

ASOT

Had Labaik and 9 to come out as the bonus ball in a double, 6 came out as the bonus ball but they still paid out I was amazed.

Tomw86

UrbanFret wrote: »

Ladbrokes Enniskillen. I put £10 on horse close to the off. the horse wins . When i go to collect the cashier informs me I was 5 seconds late and so the bet was void.I understand the latency in sat feeds etc. My gripe is if horse loses and I bin docket what happens to my stake?

Check the time of the official off against the time on your docket. Can't believe that.

realdanbreen

Mostly Harmless wrote: »

Sorry. Have had all my literary knowledge stolen by a thieving betting shop cashier.

I'd say the thief was carrying a very tiny bag!:D

Mostly Harmless

You'd say a lot of things, most of them nonsense.

Shemale

Mostly Harmless wrote: »

State of this thread

State of this post

akelly02

realdanbreen wrote: »

I had Labaik @ 33/1 when he won the supreme a couple of years ago. I duly collected €200+. I also had him backed NRNB in another Cheltenham race that he was entered in and went with my docket to collect my €5 e/w back.
Lo and behold the clerk handed me out €200+ !
I was amazed as I thought the cashier would have had to scan the docket or whatever.

Game by the short and curlies

The Rooster

BoroMan32 wrote: »

It's actually quite frightening the amount of lads in shops you'll see asking what a 'Rule 4' even means. I understand not everyone knows the nuances of betting but you shouldn't really be betting without a grasp of the basics.

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Speaking of Rule 4, does anyone know how to check what time NRs were declared yesterday? Need to check if r4 applies or not

Pinesky

The Rooster wrote: »

Speaking of Rule 4, does anyone know how to check what time NRs were declared yesterday? Need to check if r4 applies or not

I always check in PP . They have a rule 4 page on their customer terminal that gives the times from when the R4 applies

petes

I'd bet online and in shops.

Shops are handy if you have a few winners as you get the cold hard cash there and then

Or leave empty handy after giving them your cold hard cash

Birdie Num Num

BoroMan32 wrote: »

It certainly can and does happen that staff members in some shops will be on the take in some way (two in our local boyles got the bullet for this reason supposedly) but it's not all that common I'd imagine and as others have said, there are plenty of online calculators to work out what returns you're due etc so it's always best to know......

It's actually quite frightening the amount of lads in shops you'll see asking what a 'Rule 4' even means. I understand not everyone knows the nuances of betting but you shouldn't really be betting without a grasp of the basics.

With regards to bets after the off, if you think there's a doubt as to whether a bet is on in time, it's always best to ask the cashier if it's ok when you place the bet. It is sharp practice in some (probably most) bookies to keep the bets that have been made void; though in the odd case you will see cashiers telling regulars that their bet was late and refunding their money.

If you don't know it seems like a fairly reasonable question to ask. I would consider myself quite a novice when it comes to placing a bet. I placed one yesterday on Ayr and can't for the life of me figure out why a Rule 4 applied to my winnings. I have read up on it but still don't see how it should have applied.

The Rooster

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

If you don't know it seems like a fairly reasonable question to ask. I would consider myself quite a novice when it comes to placing a bet. I placed one yesterday on Ayr and can't for the life of me figure out why a Rule 4 applied to my winnings. I have read up on it but still don't see how it should have applied.

Well put it up and someone will explain it to you. I’d a 75% reduction in the last at Bangor! I bet at 13/2 and he won at 10/11, but I think the two favs were both NRs, so my lad went from 3rd fav to hot fav. So given everyone who bet on the two favs got their money back, it’s only fair I suppose that I had to take a big reduction.

There were quite a few NRs in the Scot GN, resulted in a 10% deduction to most bets.

Birdie Num Num

The Rooster wrote: »

Well put it up and someone will explain it to you. I’d a 75% reduction in the last at Bangor! I bet at 13/2 and he won at 10/11, but I think the two favs were both NRs, so my lad went from 3rd fav to hot fav. So given everyone who bet on the two favs got their money back, it’s only fair I suppose that I had to take a big reduction.

There were quite a few NRs in the Scot GN, resulted in a 10% deduction to most bets.

Mind if I PM you?

PhuckHugh2

Find it absolutely baffling that the same lads who cry about bad rides and crooked trainers are also complaining about bent bookies and crooked staff in bookmakers and the likes.
Yet continue to have a bet. Why in the name of god would one continue to try and beat something they cant possibly beat? Is it that lads have a gambling problem or is it that people are just angry and think that everything is against them?

Humans make mistakes. Do your homework before going in. Talk to the staff in a friendly manner and explain if there is an issue. Nothing to be gained from having a shouting match over a few euro when it is most likely just a miscalculation or miscount.

You will find people are much more inclined to help you if you talk to them with a bit of class and respect.

realdanbreen

PhuckHugh2 wrote: »

Find it absolutely baffling that the same lads who cry about bad rides and crooked trainers are also complaining about bent bookies and crooked staff in bookmakers and the likes.
Yet continue to have a bet. Why in the name of god would one continue to try and beat something they cant possibly beat? Is it that lads have a gambling problem or is it that people are just angry and think that everything is against them?

Humans make mistakes. Do your homework before going in. Talk to the staff in a friendly manner and explain if there is an issue. Nothing to be gained from having a shouting match over a few euro when it is most likely just a miscalculation or miscount.

You will find people are much more inclined to help you if you talk to them with a bit of class and respect.

So if the guy behind the counter does you out of money, and it does happen, you just suck it up! No wonder they try it on when there are customers there that accept that sort of carry on.

PhuckHugh2

realdanbreen wrote: »

So if the guy behind the counter does you out of money, and it does happen, you just suck it up! No wonder they try it on when there are customers there that accept that sort of carry on.

Did you even read my comment fully?

realdanbreen

PhuckHugh2 wrote: »

realdanbreen wrote: »

So if the guy behind the counter does you out of money, and it does happen, you just suck it up! No wonder they try it on when there are customers there that accept that sort of carry on.

Did you even read my comment fully?

I did and saw that you are the only one here talking about shouting and roaring in the bookies and that all the times customers are left short it is really just a 'mistake ' on the clerks part.

PhuckHugh2

realdanbreen wrote: »

I did and saw that you are the only one here talking about shouting and roaring in the bookies and that all the times customers are left short it is really just a 'mistake ' on the clerks part.

Well tbh i have seen it first hand on more than a few occasions but that's another story.

Whether it is a mistake or not is besides the point tbh.
Give people the benefit of the doubt unless there is sufficient evidence of someone pulling the piss and if you think that is the case then you should be lodging a complaint with the manager or bookmaker to protect others.

Mostly Harmless

Must be a great life being a cashier in a betting shop, minimum wage, terrible hours, treated like crap by your employers and accused of thieving by customers on a daily basis

PhuckHugh2

PhuckHugh2 wrote: »

Well tbh i have seen it first hand on more than a few occasions but that's another story.

Whether it is a mistake or not is besides the point tbh.
Give people the benefit of the doubt unless there is sufficient evidence of someone pulling the piss and if you think that is the case then you should be lodging a complaint with the manager or bookmaker to protect others.

I will add that the first point i make above relates to people abusing shop staff and not seeing anyone stealing. In case that was not clear.

realdanbreen

Mostly Harmless wrote: »

Must be a great life being a cashier in a betting shop, minimum wage, terrible hours, treated like crap by your employers and accused of thieving by customers on a daily basis

Having the ability to grunt instead of saying thanks and looking miserable is essential in getting the job.

Blueshoe

When using Boyles online I have noticed on a few occasions that if I have a treble or so on the go and all are winning one selection will be "suspended" in the cash out section. Thus stopping me from cashing out

If I go into that particular bgame in play betting is open. There is no reason for the suspension. It stops me from cashing out.

Mickey mouse company

Mostly Harmless

realdanbreen wrote: »

Having the ability to grunt instead of saying thanks and looking miserable is essential in getting the job.

Must be something about you Dan, that they all treat you like this and/or try to rob you

Felexicon

Blueshoe wrote: »

When using Boyles online I have noticed on a few occasions that if I have a treble or so on the go and all are winning one selection will be "suspended" in the cash out section. Thus stopping me from cashing out

If I go into that particular bgame in play betting is open. There is no reason for the suspension. It stops me from cashing out.

Mickey mouse company

If only there were other firms you could bet with.

Felexicon

realdanbreen wrote: »

Having the ability to grunt instead of saying thanks and looking miserable is essential in getting the job.

Not my experience at all over the years. Exchanges are very brief but a quick hello, how are you getting on, goes a long way.

People are people no matter what job they work in.

When I hear people making blanket statements like this I often think of the old saying "If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."

Blueshoe

Felexicon wrote: »

If only there were other firms you could bet with.

There are and I will be.
Hardly the point though is it

realdanbreen

Mostly Harmless wrote: »

Must be something about you Dan, that they all treat you like this and/or try to rob you

You might have something there alright, OTOH,maybe I'm wide enough to spot when someone is robbing me unlike the others who go in all smiles and act almost eejity because the man behind the counter is going to give them some money!

PhuckHugh2

realdanbreen wrote: »

You might have something there alright, OTOH,maybe I'm wide enough to spot when someone is robbing me unlike the others who go in all smiles and act almost eejity because the man behind the counter is going to give them some money!

I dont think anyone on here advised anyone to bend over and take it up the arse from a bookie.

Not accusing people of being thieves for something that is 95% certain to be a calculation or human error and showing a bit of respect (by asking them can they check it again or that they explain the payout) can go a long way in life. You should try it Dan.

Mostly Harmless

realdanbreen wrote: »

You might have something there alright, OTOH,maybe I'm wide enough to spot when someone is robbing me unlike the others who go in all smiles and act almost eejity because the man behind the counter is going to give them some money!

Because it is obviously a binary choice between being a smiling eejit and taking whatever you are given or suspecting anyone/everyone of being on the take :rolleyes:

RivetingRoger

Bookies make errors, its common enough

I backed Defi for the JLT in late January
Plain as day, wrote the date of the race, name of the race and the price at the time, 10/1
Defi wins, I go to the bookie which is not in the town i placed the bet
Girl behind the counter looks all confused, tells me there is a delay in paying as its ante post.....
I think she thought i was a once a year lad who would go away
She said come back in half an hour....place was mental so i said, right
came back an hour later, same sh*te......
At this stage she brings up the fact the bet was placed in another county so that's causing a delay etc etc....she is making this up as she goes along, and I know it, and she KNEW i knew it

I tell them ring the shop the bet was placed in, she said it will make no difference and to come back the following day!!!
I ask to speak to a manager......long story short, when the bet was placed, despite JLT written on the docket, the bet was put on the Arkle......
Now, it was a computer error, i get that, but the girl behind the counter just kept lying to me hoping i would go away......

Thats not on when it comes to people winning money if you ask me

Felexicon

Blueshoe wrote: »

There are and I will be.
Hardly the point though is it

Of course that's the point.

You don't like how one company operates. Use a different one.

realdanbreen

I can see that a few of you on here don't know any bookies and have certainly never had a chat with them. They will tell you that the biggest problem they have is finding trustworthy staff. With so many mugs coming in to them afraid or unable to figure out what's due to them on a multiple it's a goldmine for a rogue clerk.

Mostly Harmless

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Bookies make errors, its common enough

I backed Defi for the JLT in late January
Plain as day, wrote the date of the race, name of the race and the price at the time, 10/1
Defi wins, I go to the bookie which is not in the town i placed the bet
Girl behind the counter looks all confused, tells me there is a delay in paying as its ante post.....
I think she thought i was a once a year lad who would go away
She said come back in half an hour....place was mental so i said, right
came back an hour later, same sh*te......
At this stage she brings up the fact the bet was placed in another county so that's causing a delay etc etc....she is making this up as she goes along, and I know it, and she KNEW i knew it

I tell them ring the shop the bet was placed in, she said it will make no difference and to come back the following day!!!
I ask to speak to a manager......long story short, when the bet was placed, despite JLT written on the docket, the bet was put on the Arkle......
Now, it was a computer error, i get that, but the girl behind the counter just kept lying to me hoping i would go away......

Thats not on when it comes to people winning money if you ask me

Bet put in for wrong race on system, staff in other shop cannot rectify it and probably not sure whay

RivetingRoger

Mostly Harmless wrote: »

Bet put in for wrong race on system, staff in other shop cannot rectify it and probably not sure whay

They did rectify it once i got them to ring the shop i placed the bet in
My issue wasnt with the error, i said that in my post, my issue was the girl in the shop taking me for a fool trying to fob me off instead of just saying "i am not sure what the issue is, let me ask my manager" instead i got, "its cos its ante post" "come back in half an hour" "come back tomorrow"
:mad:

Andrew00

I might send a CV into a betting shop would be a great job taking a few quid of the mug punters and pocketing it

RIALTO1

I would say at a very minimum, 50% of my winning bets with Boyles are settled incorrectly. By far the worst. Not sure if incompetence or tactics.

IAMAMORON

RIALTO1 wrote: »

I would say at a very minimum, 50% of my winning bets with Boyles are settled incorrectly. By far the worst. Not sure if incompetence or tactics.

I am sure if you go to page 5 of their employee handbook you will see the " skimping " section. I think it is here that employees are encouraged to disgruntle customers by ripping them off. I think sections 3 and 4 itemise preferred methods of ripping off clients and section 5 details lame and made up excuses. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Mostly Harmless

RivetingRoger wrote: »

They did rectify it once i got them to ring the shop i placed the bet in
My issue wasnt with the error, i said that in my post, my issue was the girl in the shop taking me for a fool trying to fob me off instead of just saying "i am not sure what the issue is, let me ask my manager" instead i got, "its cos its ante post" "come back in half an hour" "come back tomorrow"
:mad:

If it was during Cheltenham I would say they were probably busy and they cannot easily fix the issue of bet being entered/settled incorrectly from another shop. If there are any complications with anything like this in a betting shop during a busy day like Cheltenham or Grand National it won't get fixed instantly in my experience, I would normally just come back when it is less busy. Not like they were intentionally trying to steal money from you.

Mostly Harmless

I have been betting in shops for a long time and I very rarely have any issues with bets being settled wrong anyway, maybe I am just lucky.

Scott Tenorman

My wife used to work in a bookies. Most of the errors are due to capturing errors (cashier manually entering details from a screenshot of the bet). Nothing sinister in it

Motivator

realdanbreen wrote: »

I can see that a few of you on here don't know any bookies and have certainly never had a chat with them. They will tell you that the biggest problem they have is finding trustworthy staff. With so many mugs coming in to them afraid or unable to figure out what's due to them on a multiple it's a goldmine for a rogue clerk.

Paddy Power or John Boyle told you this did they?

I worked in the industry, in security, and believe me a rogue cashier or manager is caught very rapidly. In just over 6 years I can remember having to deal with two incidents. One was a guy who should never have been given the job in the first place, he literally couldn’t count. Irregularities in the shops balancing reports were flagged up after a certain amount of wrong balances. We monitored the shop and spoke with the manger. Manager worked on a couple of shifts with him and it transpired he wasn’t robbing anyone. He was thick and lacked confidence. It happens. The second incident the cashier was sacked for her disciplinary issue. Nothing major but she was a bad egg and she was dealt with. Two incidents in 6 years for a major company is fair going and I don’t agree with some of the comments about betting shop staff.

The majority are treated like garbage day in day out and I admire anyone that does it full time.

WicklowBrave

Wrap up this thread ffs

realdanbreen

Motivator wrote: »

Paddy Power or John Boyle told you this did they?

Sounds like you were never at a race meeting. If you ever decide to go you will notice a bunch of guys standing on little steps usually in front of the stands with satchels and boards with horses names on it. They are called bookmakers.

RivetingRoger

Same Boyles shop yesterday
did a double on Thomas Cambell and Johnsons horse "Mahler" in the previous race
Did it on FOBT
Johnsons yoke was 5/1, Thomas Campbell was 6/1
Dickies horse won @ 6/1, TC went NR....SO.....double becomes a single, BOG on singles.......nope......paid out at the 5/1

I didn't even bother protesting, it was a small bet
Just never going in there again

Its enough to make a fella go to Ladbrokes.....................eeuugghhh

Mostly Harmless

That's the way bets are settled, same as doing a patent and having only one winner you won't get BOG.

This thread needs closing.

realdanbreen

A few guys on here getting very touchy about this topic of short changing being brought up...hhmmm I wonder why....

RivetingRoger

Mostly Harmless wrote: »

That's the way bets are settled, same as doing a patent and having only one winner you won't get BOG.

This thread needs closing.

2 Points

1. You possibly work in a bookies reading your comments here, so you may have skin in the game

2. FOBT singles are BOG, if one horse goes NR in a double, the bet is a single and BOG applies, or at least it SHOULD

Mostly Harmless

I don't work in a bookies and never have, I have spent a good bit of time in betting shops over the years and do know what to expect.

Whether you believe a double with a non runner should be settled with BOG doesn't matter sadly, essentially it is a multiple bet with a non runner and is therefore settled as a multiple so does not get BOG unless BOG applies to multis too. Like I said a patent bet has three singles in it and these don't get BOG applied as it is a MULTI (see also lucky 15s) - sure if you checked the Ts&Cs there would be one to cover this.

Wish people would stop looking for scandal where there is none.

RivetingRoger

Mostly Harmless wrote: »

I don't work in a bookies and never have, I have spent a good bit of time in betting shops over the years and do know what to expect.

Whether you believe a double with a non runner should be settled with BOG doesn't matter sadly, essentially it is a multiple bet with a non runner and is therefore settled as a multiple so does not get BOG unless BOG applies to multis too. Like I said a patent bet has three singles in it and these don't get BOG applied as it is a MULTI (see also lucky 15s) - sure if you checked the Ts&Cs there would be one to cover this.

Wish people would stop looking for scandal where there is none.

If i had to put a bet on wether of not I think you work in a bookies I would go 1/2 you do !!

You are just plain wrong re doubles MH, a Double with a NR becomes a single, or at least it 100% does in PP, and mate, i know that for a fact as it has happened to be on numerous occasions and they always pay BOG
Boyles.......sure who knows :rolleyes: