Drew Harris armoured jeep flung into the air at Garda HQ

Remind me

minikin wrote: »

He can’t drive???
He really is unsuitable for the role!
Can he even pronounce ‘fehickal’ correctly?

Who is the last commissioner to drive their own car when in office?

minikin

Remind me wrote: »

Who is the last commissioner to drive their own car when in office?

I have no problem with him having a Garda driver and armed Gardaí protecting him in an official Garda vehicle... because they’re accountable to the state.

Who is the last commissioner to require such a level of protection during peacetime?
Maybe not the smartest of appointments... when resources are tight.

Remind me

minikin wrote: »

I have no problem with him having a Garda driver and armed Gardaí protecting him in an official Garda vehicle... because they’re accountable to the state.

Who is the last commissioner to require such a level of protection during peacetime?
Maybe not the smartest of appointments... when resources are tight.

Wouldn’t disagree with you on the resources, a lot of hours spent looking after him.

minikin

Remind me wrote: »

Wouldn’t disagree with you on the resources, a lot of hours spent looking after him.

Just seems like there’s laws being bent to accomodate the situation... I would have concerns about intelligence security... it’s not like his former allegiances dissolved when he was handed the keys to the kingdom. Mad situation.

recedite

minikin wrote: »

He can’t drive???
He really is unsuitable for the role!
Can he even pronounce ‘fehickal’ correctly?

He asked for his own kyarr, but nobody gets anything in AGS unless they use the correct protocol and terminology.

minikin

recedite wrote: »

He asked for his own kyarr, but nobody gets anything in AGS unless they use the correct protocol and terminology.

They’re peeling the decals off an old Sierra as we speak.

awec

Some PSNI are allowed to carry guns in the ROI.

Some AGS are allowed to carry guns in NI.

It has been this way for a few years now.

Yurt2

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/firearms-carried-by-psni-in-republic-for-last-six-years-1.3853786

Well, it appears there is some sort of reciprocal agreement (since 2013) between AGS and PSNI and their respective Justice systems. Satisfied enough with that, given that there appears to be ministerial approval. They took their time making the statement though, and the fact that it was a surprise to former senior Gardai and a former Justice Minister didn't look good and the story was growing legs. Not that it sits well with me that the PSNI (or any other countries agencies) are carrying weapons in the state routinely.

Cleared-up somewhat, and I'm glad people are alert to these things. The last thing we need after the last few duff Commissioners is one that flouts procedure (not that he did in this case), and a public that shrugs their shoulders when the force acts ultra-vires.

McMurphy

Remind me wrote: »

Who is the last commissioner to drive their own car when in office?

Martin Callinan, remember the Newlands cross meeting with McGuinness?

Remind me

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Martin Callinan, remember the Newlands cross meeting with McGuinness?

Haha I think we all know he didn’t want many knowing about that one!

recedite

He also said that every time he travelled to Northern Ireland his Garda driver would have to leave his firearm in a local station before they crossed over the Border. After they crossed, the PSNI would “insist every time” that he transfer to their vehicle for the onward journey.

In fairness that procedure would make it easy if anyone did take a notion to assassinate him.
Potential shooter would know where the fehickal is going to stop and that he is then going to step out of it, and then get into the PSNI kyarr.

Remind me

Remind me wrote: »

I have said if.....and if it was 1 vehicle no problem but still does not take away from the simple point that there is no evidence that the PSNI were armed and if they were armed I am sure they would have necessary clearance.

If they did not it is a massive F up as I have said.

Do you seriously think that he would have 2 Garda cars escorting him from the border while he is in a psni vehicle?
The psni are an armed force. They carry weapons.
& who was escorting them back to the border? Another armed unit? Seems like a lot of resources for one man

Yurt!

Yurt! wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/firearms-carried-by-psni-in-republic-for-last-six-years-1.3853786

Well, it appears there is some sort of reciprocal agreement (since 2013) between AGS and PSNI and their respective Justice systems. Satisfied enough with that, given that there appears to be ministerial approval. They took their time making the statement though, and the fact that it was a surprise to former senior Gardai and a former Justice Minister didn't look good and the story was growing legs. Not that it sits well with me that the PSNI (or any other countries agencies) are carrying weapons in the state routinely.

Cleared-up somewhat, and I'm glad people are alert to these things. The last thing we need after the last few duff Commissioners is one that flouts procedure (not that he did in this case), and a public that shrugs their shoulders when the force acts ultra-vires.

Spin.
Before 2013, neither could carry weapons in the other jurisdiction at all. Now they can, with prior approval just like with any other country or police force.
Also, any armed force here is accompanied by armed Gardai, who accompanied them back to the border?
Commissioner appear to be more of the same, different rules apply to him.

Feisar

recedite wrote: »

In fairness that procedure would make it easy if anyone did take a notion to assassinate him.
Potential shooter would know where the fehickal is going to stop and that he is then going to step out of it, and then get into the PSNI kyarr.

There is more than one border crossing, I'm sure they mix it up. Well I would anyway and I'm only joe civilian who read a few to many Tom Clancy novels.

Remind me

bubblypop wrote: »

Do you seriously think that he would have 2 Garda cars escorting him from the border while he is in a psni vehicle?
The psni are an armed force. They carry weapons.
& who was escorting them back to the border? Another armed unit? Seems like a lot of resources for one man

Yeah it is a lot of resources as has been pointed out.

janfebmar

Who will pay for the jeep that was written off, when it could have been stopped more appropriately at the checkpoint by a hand in the air?

Edgware

janfebmar wrote: »

Who will pay for the jeep that was written off, when it could have been stopped more appropriately at the checkpoint by a hand in the air?

If it was a genuine terrorist attack I dont think the hand in the air would suffice. You would be the first to criticise the Garda for not using the blocking equipment

FrancieBrady

janfebmar wrote: »

Who will pay for the jeep that was written off, when it could have been stopped more appropriately at the checkpoint by a hand in the air?

It could have been stopped at the border - by a simple phone call by people who are SUPPOSED to be professionals.

Odyssey 2005

janfebmar wrote: »

Who will pay for the jeep that was written off, when it could have been stopped more appropriately at the checkpoint by a hand in the air?

:pac::pac:

Call me Al

janfebmar wrote: »

Who will pay for the jeep that was written off, when it could have been stopped more appropriately at the checkpoint by a hand in the air?

The PSNI hopefully.

Odyssey 2005

janfebmar wrote: »

Who will pay for the jeep that was written off, when it could have been stopped more appropriately at the checkpoint by a hand in the air?

The Garda who done it,€10 a week till she dies :rolleyes:

McMurphy

janfebmar wrote: »

Who will pay for the jeep that was written off, when it could have been stopped more appropriately at the checkpoint by a hand in the air?

McMurphy

awec wrote: »

Some PSNI are allowed to carry guns in the ROI.

Some AGS are allowed to carry guns in NI.

It has been this way for a few years now.

With written prior agreement.

Yurt! wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/firearms-carried-by-psni-in-republic-for-last-six-years-1.3853786

Well, it appears there is some sort of reciprocal agreement (since 2013) between AGS and PSNI and their respective Justice systems. Satisfied enough with that, given that there appears to be ministerial approval. They took their time making the statement though, and the fact that it was a surprise to former senior Gardai and a former Justice Minister didn't look good and the story was growing legs. Not that it sits well with me that the PSNI (or any other countries agencies) are carrying weapons in the state routinely.

Cleared-up somewhat, and I'm glad people are alert to these things. The last thing we need after the last few duff Commissioners is one that flouts procedure (not that he did in this case), and a public that shrugs their shoulders when the force acts ultra-vires.

That's a bit wishy washy, are any politicians calling for clarity here from Harris and the justice department?

FrancieBrady

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Don't start her on Shergar! :rolleyes:

McMurphy

Becoming more curious as time goes by....

The gards have just released a statement.



Course it just malfunctioned lads........

janfebmar

Call me Al wrote: »

The PSNI hopefully.

Assuming they were driving with due care and attention and obeying the rules of the road, was it their fault the Gardai did not behave appropriately? Best thing to clear it up would be some cctv footage. What is the chance of that getting released?
Edit :just seen the Garda statement above which answers some questions. If the Garda say it malfunctioned, presumably it did and insurance will pay for the vehicle. Not the psni's fault it was written off.

Call me Al

janfebmar wrote: »

Assuming they were driving with due care and attention and obeying the rules of the road, was it their fault the Gardai did not behave appropriately? Best thing to clear it up would be some cctv footage. What is the chance of that getting released?

I neither know nor care about any of the above. And I still hope they pay.

adam88

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Becoming more curious as time goes by....

The gards have just released a statement.



Course it just malfunctioned lads........

They should stop while they’re somebit ahead.
Of course Garda Mary from Leitrim got the fright of her life when she saw a big NI jeep with two blocky men race against the GHQ. Mary only went to HQ cause she had enough of the scrotes down the city centre and wanted and easy life.

Malfunction my backside

janfebmar

adam88 wrote: »

They should stop while they’re somebit ahead.
Of course Garda Mary from Leitrim got the fright of her life when she saw a big NI jeep with two blocky men race against the GHQ. Mary only went to HQ cause she had enough of the scrotes down the city centre and wanted and easy life.

Malfunction my backside

If it was racing it would not have got stuck on top of the bollard. Going slow it was, I believe the Gardai.

pablo128

janfebmar wrote: »

If it was racing it would not have got stuck on top of the bollard. Going slow it was, I believe the Gardai.

If it was racing, and the bollard went up, what in your opinion would have happened?

McMurphy

janfebmar wrote: »

If it was racing it would not have got stuck on top of the bollard. Going slow it was, I believe the Gardai.

If it didn't stop a car speeding towards it, it would defeat the purpose of it being there to begin with FFS.

How many more different stances will you adopt in this thread anyway

Odyssey 2005

Just out. The Garda are blaming a "security system malfunction " for the damage to Harris car !!
So he's no better than the last 2,he can't tell it like it happened either. Suppose we'll be left on the hook to repair a British armoured jeep now.:eek:
Lucky the tank didn't blow.

janfebmar

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

If it didn't stop a car speeding towards it, it would defeat the purpose of it being there ....:

You still do not get it. If it had been raised before the vehicle came to it and the vehicle did not stop before the bollard, it would have crashed in to the bollard. There would be frontal damage on the vehicle, depending on the speed.
If the bollard malfunctioned and raised as the vehicle was slowly passing over it, there would be damage to the bottom of the vehicle and that would explain it being raised in the air on top of the billiard.

janfebmar

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Just out. The Garda are blaming a "security system malfunction " for the damage to Harris car !!
So he's no better than the last 2,he can't tell it like it happened either. .

I believe the Garda, it makes sense. If they were telling lies all it would would take is cctv of a "racing" car to discredit them. I believe them the car was only going at walking speed, because that is the speed cars normally pass through checkpoints at, and police vehicles normally are driven carefully and with due care and attention. Especially if they contain the head of the Gardai.

McMurphy

janfebmar wrote: »

I believe the Garda, it makes sense. If they were telling lies all it would would take is cctv of a "racing" car to discredit them. I believe them the car was only going at walking speed, because that is the speed cars normally pass through checkpoints at, and police vehicles normally are driven carefully and with due care and attention. Especially if they contain the head of the Gardai.

They have been asked for the CCTV footage.

Their official press release claimed the dog ate it.

janfebmar

It must be an embarrassment to them, it is not the sort of thing you see happening to visiting vehicles at walking pace at checkpoints elsewhere. Still, they said the bollard was newly installed and it malfunctioned. Not that the Garda put her coffee cup on the button by mistake and nearly killed people.

CountingCrows

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

They have been asked for the CCTV footage.

Their official press release claimed the dog ate it.

They kept tapes of all phone calls made to stations for years but they can't find HQ footage from last week - lol

pablo128

janfebmar wrote: »

I believe the Garda, it makes sense. If they were telling lies all it would would take is cctv of a "racing" car to discredit them. I believe them the car was only going at walking speed, because that is the speed cars normally pass through checkpoints at, and police vehicles normally are driven carefully and with due care and attention. Especially if they contain the head of the Gardai.

So an armoured Jeep can be written off simply by raising it gently. Ok. Got it.

zapitastas

What a coincidence that the barrier malfunctions just as the PSNI vehicle was passing. Am glad they solved the case in such speedy fashion.

Odyssey 2005

zapitastas wrote: »

What a coincidence that the barrier malfunctions just as the PSNI vehicle was passing. Am glad they solved the case in such speedy fashion.

They called Horatio Kane in to solve it. Well their explanation could be a Hollywood plot it's so far fetched.!

Larbre34

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Lucky the tank didn't blow.

Its not the movies, petrol tanks dont blow up at the drop of a hat. And besides armoured vehicles used reinforced tanks with bladders to resist fuel vapour ignition from hot projectiles or shrapnel.

Anyway, I have a close relative in the special detective unit and I had heard about this incident last week. There was no malfunction of the barrier, it was an operational and procedural "malfunction".

And even if I didn't know what I know, I agree with the above, they must think the public would swallow a brick to accept that this barrier, new and all as it is, would happen to "malfunction" under the unmarked NI vehicle of all the hundreds of vehicle movements in and out of Garda HQ every day. The absolute spoofers.

FrancieBrady

pablo128 wrote: »

So an armoured Jeep can be written off simply by raising it gently. Ok. Got it.

Holes in the jeep and the story...so to speak.

Scott Tenorman

Malfunction LOL :pac:

janfebmar

pablo128 wrote: »

So an armoured Jeep can be written off simply by raising it gently. Ok. .

Who said it was raised gently?
It was reported elsewhere that the jeep was written off. If a bollard shoots up from the ground and the vehicle is moving at walking pace, it is not inconceivable the vehicle was badly damaged.

pablo128

janfebmar wrote: »

Who said it was raised gently?
It was reported elsewhere that the jeep was written off. If a bollard shoots up from the ground and the vehicle is moving at walking pace, it is not inconceivable the vehicle was badly damaged.

It's an armoured Jeep. It will have a toughened skid plate under the engine.

It was driven in at speed.

janfebmar

janfebmar wrote: »

Who said it was raised gently?
It was reported elsewhere that the jeep was written off. If a bollard shoots up from the ground and the vehicle is moving at walking pace, it is not inconceivable the vehicle was badly damaged.

Who cares?
PSNI should not have been there anyway so it's their own fault.

janfebmar

pablo128 wrote: »

It's an armoured Jeep. It will have a toughened skid plate under the engine.
.

And could the bollard have caught an axle or wheel arch or something?

Harry Palmr

How has this thread reached 450 post? Utter nothing of an incident.

janfebmar

Larbre34 wrote: »

Anyway, I have a close relative in the special detective unit and I had heard about this incident last week. There was no malfunction of the barrier, it was an operational and procedural "malfunction".

And even if I didn't know what I know, I agree with the above, they must think the public would swallow a brick to accept that this barrier, new and all as it is, would happen to "malfunction" under the unmarked NI vehicle of all the hundreds of vehicle movements in and out of Garda HQ every day. The absolute spoofers.

So you think the vehicle was deliberately attacked and damaged, rather than stopped in a professional manner?

FrancieBrady

janfebmar wrote: »

Who said it was raised gently?
It was reported elsewhere that the jeep was written off. If a bollard shoots up from the ground and the vehicle is moving at walking pace, it is not inconceivable the vehicle was badly damaged.

The bollards don't 'shoot up' anywhere. They come up in a fairly slow motion. A speeding car would find it hard to avoid though, a car moving slowly wouldn't.