Hole in the Wall Gang ??

imme

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I think it's the banks.

You're so funny.

For (too) many posters in this thread there is a general 'no harm done' vibe to these robberies.

Well, there are repurcussions, someone pays in the final analysis.

WoollyRedHat

imme wrote: »

You're so funny.

For (too) many posters in this thread there is a general 'no harm done' vibe to these robberies.

Well, there are repurcussions, someone pays in the final analysis.

I think it's because people are apathetic. You've got two police forces either side of the border that can't put a stop to it and then you've got the banks, who will just pass on the cost of the insurance premium increases to the customer. Which is all relative because they have been overcharging us for decades. Whole thing is a joke.

Strazdas

How come these guys never get caught in the act? You would have expected their luck to run out at some point......robbing one or two machines is one thing but we seem to be well into double figures at this stage.

Surely somebody is going to spot a digger being driven along a road in the middle of the night and think 'what the hell?'.

BorneTobyWilde

Geez it's the travellers , the ones the government put on a pedestal. It's why you won't hear any more of it, they seem to be above the law.
They were raided in Cork yesterday, lots of cash seized, and now they had their quick revenge hours later, it's not rocket science.

BorneTobyWilde

Who else leaves a mess like that, it's the act of the simply minded and you need to be pretty full of yourself and brazen to carry out these caveman robberies.
Who could it be..............
WTF
It will be brushed under the carpet pretty quick by the government. It's their culture, same olde excuse every time.

pgj2015

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Geez it's the travellers , the ones the government put on a pedestal. It's why you won't hear any more of it, they seem to be above the law.
They were raided in Cork yesterday, lots of cash seized, and now they had their quick revenge hours later, it's not rocket science.

if they are above the law then why were they raided in cork yesterday?

septictank

Lets have a poll!

Is it the "Boys" or is it the "Lads"?

I think it's the "Lads" because if it was the "Boys", the lads would be looking for their cut and there would be a few "Boys" limping a bit.

Seriously though, the owners of the diggers around the country should have them secured a lot better.

Some just park them in the nearest field and walk away. should be a propper immobilizer, like in a car.

BorneTobyWilde

pgj2015 wrote: »

if they are above the law then why were they raided in cork yesterday?

Because it was a case of to be seeing to be doing something about them.They just went out and robbed all the money back they lost yesterday.

pgj2015

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Because it was a case of to be seeing to be doing something about them.They just went out and robbed all the money back they lost yesterday.

But they seized money, cars etc they did something about it. the gardai and cab are doing their job.

The Criminal Assets Bureau seized 10 vehicles, four Rolex watches, and more than €30,000 in cash in a series of early-morning raids targeting a Cork-based organised crime gang.

Butcher Boy

septictank wrote: »

Lets have a poll!

Is it the "Boys" or is it the "Lads"?

I think it's the "Lads" because if it was the "Boys", the lads would be looking for their cut and there would be a few "Boys" limping a bit.

Seriously though, the owners of the diggers around the country should have them secured a lot better.

Some just park them in the nearest field and walk away. should be a propper immobilizer, like in a car.

FFS we cant carry them to bed with us , there not like a tractor that you can park them in a lock up shed after your days work.

amber2

ATMs should have a dye capsule that stains and marks the notes should the atms cassettes be tampered with,would deter this type of thing.

fryup

fryup wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

they have it built in those cash cases those delivery transit drivers use, so why not atm's?

Until a few months ago, ATM's didn't get removed before being forced open.
Should be an easy retrofit option though, I'm surprised the banks haven't done it yet.

Strazdas

Strazdas wrote: »

How come these guys never get caught in the act? You would have expected their luck to run out at some point......robbing one or two machines is one thing but we seem to be well into double figures at this stage.

Surely somebody is going to spot a digger being driven along a road in the middle of the night and think 'what the hell?'.

You try stopping a 5 tonne digger in one squad car, it needs intelligence to find out where the next raid is and go in with suitable vehicles (& Armed unit as backup) to stop them.

Butcher Boy

amber2 wrote: »

ATMs should have a dye capsule that stains and marks the notes should the atms cassettes be tampered with,would deter this type of thing.

they do but they freeze the dye before they open them.

Patrick2010

Butcher Boy wrote: »

they do but they freeze the dye before they open them.

Would it be rocket science to fit every atm with a tracking device so you could at least see where they all ended up?

Great to see such enterprising spirit, such get up and go, such "we can do this" gumption, alive and well in the border area. I was hoping it wasn't restricted to that Monaghan Fine Gael councillor in the Prime Time programme a few years ago.

I remember when all that these lads had was smuggling and cockfights to organise. Look at them now, beating the big financial boys down in Dublin and they never even did the Group Cert!

hurler32

4 in the one night .. seems like 3 different outfits in action last night .. maybe all part of one larger group .
Mostly a northern thing but so many towns and villages in the south with no Garda presence you’d think there’s a lot of easy pickings down here .. you can even do 2 ATMs in the one town like Kells ??.. plus in the south if you somehow got caught you’d only get a suspended sentence ffs

Patrick2010

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Would it be rocket science to fit every atm with a tracking device so you could at least see where they all ended up?

What's the point, unless you have a SWAT squad on standby, by the time they've tracked it the short distance the robbers take it, it'll be empty and the robbers gone in different directions.

Butcher Boy

Butcher Boy wrote: »

they do but they freeze the dye before they open them.

How do they get past all the secure frame to insert a freezing agent, they would have to achieve this before moving it, otherwise the tilt switch would activate the dye.

kravmaga

4 ATMS in one night, 2 in NI and 2 in ROI.

The gangs are getting more sophisticated as they gain confidence of never getting caught.

Placing home made spikes outside Kells Garda station is a new one to impede or delay Garda response.



https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2019/0419/1043533-atm-kells/

Patrick2010

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What's the point, unless you have a SWAT squad on standby, by the time they've tracked it the short distance the robbers take it, it'll be empty and the robbers gone in different directions.

How long does it take to break into them?

kravmaga

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Would it be rocket science to fit every atm with a tracking device so you could at least see where they all ended up?

Good point btw, you would imagine that GPS or tracker systems technology would already have been installed in ATMS, especially vulnerable ones in remote villages around Ireland with no Garda stations nearby.

kravmaga

Deleted User wrote: »

What's the point, unless you have a SWAT squad on standby, by the time they've tracked it the short distance the robbers take it, it'll be empty and the robbers gone in different directions.

Whats the solution so?

Force Carrier

kravmaga wrote: »

Placing home made spikes outside Kells Garda station is a new one to impede or delay Garda response.

Neil McCauley would approve.

kravmaga

kravmaga wrote: »

What's the solution so?

Either fit dye systems that activate when the cabinet is disturbed/moved or move the machines to an interior courtyard or inside a building where a big digger can't be used.

In reality, I expect the exposed ATM will soon be a thing of the past.

fryup

its either the provo's, loyalists (unlikely as they rarely come south) or are good friends the travellers

Atlantic Dawn

Looks like very sklilful work done in Kells, certainly not someone using a digger for the first time...



https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2019/0419/1043533-atm-kells/

Hedgelayer

Its different up there in the border counties, I'm from the west of Ireland and had a girlfriend from Castleblaney.
She was telling me that the best approach up there was keep doing what's in front of you

If you think you might witness something illegal or see something going on, turn around and say nothing.

In fairness if i was driving through a border town and seen a digger working the night shift, id drive by as if i seen nothing.

Seen nothing officer I had my eyes on the road.

Never ever be a tout or tell on anyone up there because you'll be excommunicated and probably have to emigrate, squeelers and rat's are not in existence...

The guards won't be able to give someone 24 hour protection. Because that's what you'd need if you said anything.

So id say if any of the locals heard a digger at 3am they'll just turn over and continue sleeping.

That's right Mick tell them nothing....

fryup

^^^^^^^^^^^^

the price of peace?

Hedgelayer

fryup wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^^

the price of peace?

What would you do in those situations?

Im not undermining your comment, it's just each person for themselves.

Unfortunately some communities are tough and I don't think anyone's living in fear or ignorance up there.
Its just the way the cookie crumbles.

hurler32

kravmaga wrote: »

4 ATMS in one night, 2 in NI and 2 in ROI.

The gangs are getting more sophisticated as they gain confidence of never getting caught.

Placing home made spikes outside Kells Garda station is a new one to impede or delay Garda response.



https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2019/0419/1043533-atm-kells/

Gardai were probably wrecked after breathalysing those going to evening mass in Kells

pgj2015

looking forward to the day i hear they are caught.

Hedgelayer

pgj2015 wrote: »

looking forward to the day i hear they are caught.

They'll be caught eventually, probably get too brave thinking they're invincible or invisible.

Its probably all the one gang.

handlemaster

The gardai will catch them. Its just a pity the justice system gives silly jail terms. Few years must of it suspended

irishgeo

Where is the garda helicopter and the aru?

Maybe the overtime ban is kicking. Guards should be out in full force in early hours of the morning.

If the psni did the same they would be caught sharpish.

The power vacuum in the North isnt helping either.

kravmaga

Hedgelayer wrote: »

Its different up there in the border counties, I'm from the west of Ireland and had a girlfriend from Castleblaney.
She was telling me that the best approach up there was keep doing what's in front of you

If you think you might witness something illegal or see something going on, turn around and say nothing.

In fairness if i was driving through a border town and seen a digger working the night shift, id drive by as if i seen nothing.

Seen nothing officer I had my eyes on the road.

Never ever be a tout or tell on anyone up there because you'll be excommunicated and probably have to emigrate, squeelers and rat's are not in existence...

The guards won't be able to give someone 24 hour protection. Because that's what you'd need if you said anything.

So id say if any of the locals heard a digger at 3am they'll just turn over and continue sleeping.

That's right Mick tell them nothing....

Poor attitude, sit on the fence type person, weak , no morals

fryup

fryup wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^^

the price of peace?

Hedgelayer wrote: »

What would you do in those situations?

Im not undermining your comment, it's just each person for themselves.

Unfortunately some communities are tough and I don't think anyone's living in fear or ignorance up there.
Its just the way the cookie crumbles.

yes i know, the words of this song sums it up perfectly

Hedgelayer

kravmaga wrote: »

Poor attitude, sit on the fence type person, weak , no morals

I tell you what, you move up to the border counties and play sherlock homes or the famous five....

Let us know how you get on.

Ive a moral compas alright I know the difference between living in a border town and village in a sleepy village in North Clare.

You know what you can do with your remark about my morals.

Its easy for you to judge my moral compas from a keyboard.

Off with you now and you head on up to the borders and preach about having no back bone and being spineless.

Well see who's side of the fence you'll be playing with...

Hedgelayer

fryup wrote: »

yes i know, the words of this song sums it up perfectly

Excellent, that sums it up.

Like the time I was at a pub quiz in Scotland and one of the lads couldn't answer a question, an exe English squaddie said that's right Paddy tell them nothing

MrFresh

Update from Kells Gardaí

Gardaí were alerted to the incident and immediately proceeded to the scene, however metal spikes had been positioned outside Kells Garda Station in efforts to impede the Garda response. The vehicles used by the culprits were also parked across the street in an effort to obstruct responding vehicles.

Pretty well planned.

MrMusician18

Hedgelayer wrote: »

Its different up there in the border counties, I'm from the west of Ireland and had a girlfriend from Castleblaney.
She was telling me that the best approach up there was keep doing what's in front of you

If you think you might witness something illegal or see something going on, turn around and say nothing.

In fairness if i was driving through a border town and seen a digger working the night shift, id drive by as if i seen nothing.

Seen nothing officer I had my eyes on the road.

Never ever be a tout or tell on anyone up there because you'll be excommunicated and probably have to emigrate, squeelers and rat's are not in existence...

The guards won't be able to give someone 24 hour protection. Because that's what you'd need if you said anything.

So id say if any of the locals heard a digger at 3am they'll just turn over and continue sleeping.

That's right Mick tell them nothing....

Tell them nothing and they'll ask end up with no banks and no ATMs, and fewer shops.

If course then it will be the government's fault...

Hedgelayer

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Tell them nothing and they'll ask end up with no banks and no ATMs, and fewer shops.

If course then it will be the government's fault...

Well its not upto members of the community to police what goes bump in the night.

Im just saying not to get involved with criminals at a capacity it could endanger your own well being.

There's a lot of variables in the situation with the diggers and ATMs, and who's responsible for keeping the peace and investigating the robberies.

janfebmar

In civilised, naw abiding countries members of the public report serious unlawful behaviour to the relevant authorities.

Hedgelayer

janfebmar wrote: »

In civilised, naw abiding countries members of the public report serious unlawful behaviour to the relevant authorities.

There isn't one country on the planet thats law abiding.

There's a contradiction in your response.

If a country was law abiding, there would be no need to report serious unlawful behavior.

That's an oxymoron statement.

scamalert

lol just few days back when read stories in NI happening thought kells would be perfect place, 2 atms meters apart, the story with spikes is a bit over top seems as theres two ways to get into main street,so youll never know, thou from what ive heard its only 1 gardai car for 3-4 towns policing on response. And given sophistication seems planned well out, thou when you think all the excavators, trucks, cars vans etc used , with that much stolen stuff you'd make triple exporting or selling the machinery then ripping atm's and hoping theres cash in them to justify risk.

BorneTobyWilde

handlemaster wrote: »

The gardai will catch them. Its just a pity the justice system gives silly jail terms. Few years must of it suspended

LOL
Good one


The Gardai keep falling for the banana in the tail pipe.

Doff

How do they even get the ATMs out? Asking for a friend.

Hedgelayer

scamalert wrote: »

lol just few days back when read stories in NI happening thought kells would be perfect place, 2 atms meters apart, the story with spikes is a bit over top seems as theres two ways to get into main street,so youll never know, thou from what ive heard its only 1 gardai car for 3-4 towns policing on response so who knows. And given sophistication seems planned well out, thou when you think all the excavators, trucks, cars vans etc used , with that much stolen stuff you'd make triple exporting or selling the machinery then ripping atm's and hoping theres cash in them to justify risk.

Maybe it'll increase the amount of guards on patrol.

We definitely need more recruitment and patrols.

Im sure more than likely it'll be the amadans copycats who'll get caught rather than the professional outfit.

Case close lol

BorneTobyWilde

MrFresh wrote: »

Update from Kells Garda

Pretty well planned.

Grass is green. I love the praise the Garda give them to cover their own stupidity.
'' it was a very well organised robbery, carried out by highly trained intelligent people''
Translate
'' we fell for the banana in the tail pipe again,''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uACvFAm6JSM

Hedgelayer

Doff wrote: »

How do they even get the ATMs out? Asking for a friend.

It must be easy enough if that guy and his skank on breaking bad managed it anythings possible lol