35000 for falling in your own yard

Charles Ingles

namloc1980 wrote: »

Legally you'd be in beach of the tenancy agreement. Are you suggesting tenants should beach their tenancy terms and conditions?

Breach

pjohnson

namloc1980 wrote: »

Rarely see a pensions bashing thread even though multiples more is spent on OAP than dole, children's allowance and any other social support you can think of.

The OAP bashing is saved for budget time.

Charles Ingles

namloc1980 wrote: »

Rarely see a pensions bashing thread even though multiples more is spent on OAP than dole, children's allowance and any other social support you can think of.

Pensioners have paid their dues to society and deserve every social help they get.
Unlike the won't work and entitled brigade

Atoms for Peace

Edgware wrote: »

It is just another sign of how fed up ordinary hard working people are with all the scampers, dossiers and Scrotes who are leeching the system.
Casey for Europe.

I'd rather the likes of Coveney just grew a pair.

von Smallhausen

Oh it gets better.....

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/41000-for-student-who-fractured-his-ankle-in-fall-on-footpath-38004029.html

41 fookin' thousand for not looking where you are going at 6am in the fecking morning. I know this cretin and his family I used to live in the same estate...and as a supposed student whom lives near the school he supposed to attend..you dont need to start at 6am in the feckin morning, its a literal 20-30 minute walk.

This is where our taxes are going....i'm off to take an "accidental" fall on my way home from work as some of the footpaths are dodgy at best where I walk.

Alrigghtythen

Will she use the 35,000 as a deposit to buy her own house?

janfebmar

Banana Republic. The taxpayer pays as usual. I'd break my own ankle for 5k, never mind 35k.

kildare lad

namloc1980 wrote: »

Legally you'd be in breach of the tenancy agreement. Are you suggesting tenants should breach their tenancy terms and conditions?

Why ring them in the first place , if I had a hole that was hazardous ( no jokes pleases) I'd fix it myself . Are the council gonna throw someone out of their home for filling a hole. I'd doubt it

Edgware

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Pensioners have paid their dues to society and deserve every social help they get.
Unlike the won't work and entitled brigade

Not all pensioners have paid their dues. Scangers and Scrotes get old too and continue to bleed the system

Feisar

vicwatson wrote: »

Back Yard? Yard?

‘merica

been worse if it happened on the "property"

Pinch Flat

namloc1980 wrote: »

If you failed to fix an issue with your property after being told about it and someone subsequently hurt themselves because of your negligence, would you take any responsibility?

Guess it's all down to mindset. Had a conversation with a council tenant few years ago who was moaning about the lack of window restrictors on the upstairs windows and how it was putting her children at risk, and that she's been on to the council for months to sort it out. So she was happy for her and her husband to put her child needlessly at risk for the want of a few bob on a restrictor that could be bought in B&Q and fitted

Me personally, if it involved my own child's safety and welfare, I would take personal responsibility to sort these things out. But sure if there's a pot of gold there, maybe there's another motive I'm missing?

Guy:Incognito

namloc1980 wrote: »

Absolving property owners of all responsibility I see. That'd end well. "Never mind that live wire hanging down there, just keep away from it, it'll be grand".

Whereas " keep playing near that live wire as if it didnt exist, if you get a shock before the owners fix it sure we'll get money" is grand?

Guy:Incognito

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Pensioners have paid their dues to society and deserve every social help they get.
Unlike the won't work and entitled brigade

People who never worked in their lives become pensioners too.

Edit. Beaten to it

CrankyHaus

Councils have limited resources. I sympathise with the child in the case and without seeing better photographs and measurements of the hole its impossible to say if they were right or not. However in general I'd rather Council resources went to providing more housing to help end the housing crisis than making the current housing stock 100% litigation proof.

sbsquarepants

namloc1980 wrote: »

Absolving property owners of all responsibility I see. That'd end well. "Never mind that live wire hanging down there, just keep away from it, it'll be grand".

And yet, you seem perfectly ok with absolving parents of all responsibility.

If you ever do find yourself in the position of having a live wire hanging down, probably be best to keep the kids away until it's sorted do you not think?

Or does the fact that someone else owns the wire mean it's fine to just let little johnny play with it. Sure it's not your concern now is it, it's not like it's your wire!

weldoninhio

mikemac2 wrote: »

The council were aware of the issue before it happened. It makes a big difference

So the mother knew the back garden was unsafe, had complained that it was unsafe, and yet still let her child play in the unsafe garden??

tabby aspreme

The Collins families, from Avila Park, have had mixed luck on the litigation merry-go-round. Very unlucky to be so accident prone .

Samuel Vimes

tabby aspreme wrote: »

The Collins families, from Avila Park, have had mixed luck on the litigation merry-go-round. Very unlucky to be so accident prone .

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/six-personal-injury-claims-totalling-360k-thrown-out-by-judge-37167224.html

is_that_so

mikemac2 wrote: »

The council were aware of the issue before it happened. It makes a big difference

It does but the common sense in me says cover it up until the lazy council get round to it. What is disturbing about these cases is the number of defendants who will just settle up. It does give the impression that some are a very soft touch and can be encouraged to pick a decent sized number, which judges will of course give the nod to.

Meanwhile

https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/insurance-fraud-crisis-is-costing-jobs-says-top-judge-38003997.html

Edgware

Samuel Vimes wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/six-personal-injury-claims-totalling-360k-thrown-out-by-judge-37167224.html

Some families have it tough

washman3

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Will she use the 35,000 as a deposit to buy her own house?

She might spend it on something like new windows and doors for the existing house or maybe upgrade her boiler and insulation for the winter.
Maybe a new couch for the sitting room and some carpet for the kiddies rooms.

Oh wait, the council should be doing all this as they own the house....!!

cena

I don't even get that much after me accident. Even after losing 20% of my hand.

Berserker

Not going to start a new thread for another one of these, so here we go. €27K for a fall that happened ten years ago.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/27500-for-boy-left-scarred-after-cutting-head-at-crche-10-years-ago-38004038.html

PinotNero

Samuel Vimes wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/six-personal-injury-claims-totalling-360k-thrown-out-by-judge-37167224.html

Great find. Absolute chancers.

von Smallhausen

Oh look, another one!!
This fella is currently in prison for 6 years....

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/criminal-gets-payout-of-20000-over-crash-38004044.html?fbclid=IwAR1hZcWwVxtR1gM7TWx5nUS_lbPBdyjpa1-eI5zIJLioX9lj_qyBNC1hriU

Deebles McBeebles

Danny_B wrote: »

Oh look, another one!!
This fella is currently in prison for 6 years....

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/criminal-gets-payout-of-20000-over-crash-38004044.html?fbclid=IwAR1hZcWwVxtR1gM7TWx5nUS_lbPBdyjpa1-eI5zIJLioX9lj_qyBNC1hriU

20k buys an awful lot of heroin.

DavyD_83

mikemac2 wrote: »

Now I did ordinary level maths in my leaving but how is that possible

Even if she turned 15 the day after and it’s just over 18 months she cannot be 17

Come on Indo

This, for me anyway, of by far the most distressing part of the article. I'll be annoyed and distracted by this all day.:mad:

von Smallhausen

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

20k buys an awful lot of heroin.

Then we wonder why our insurance premiums and taxes are skyrocketing.
Someone has to pay for these mongoloidian troglodytes.

0ph0rce0

namloc1980 wrote: »

Legally you'd be in breach of the tenancy agreement. Are you suggesting tenants should breach their tenancy terms and conditions?

Up outta that, Go into any council house, you'll see standard kitchens ripped out and replaced, bathrooms ripped out and replaced, old windows ripped out and replaced, walls knocked out for patio doors. No one abides by that bollocks cause you won't be thrown out.

You really think any mod done to a council house people ring and ask first, do they ****.

Fill the hole yourself , Useless *****.

Effects

cena wrote: »

I don't even get that much after me accident. Even after losing 20% of my hand.

You need a better solicitor.

davo2001

mikemac2 wrote: »

The council were aware of the issue before it happened. It makes a big difference

So the girl and family were aware of it also.

kildare lad

They were talking about it again on newstalk earlier. Ireland's payouts are 5 times higher than England's, we make 10 times the amount of personal injuries claims as they do . On the continent, claims that involve no breaks or stitches ,are known as paracetamol claims i.e a week or 2 of rest and your fine . They get next to nothing for them. Over hear 15,000 minimum.

There was a publican on, he'd been to court 20 times in 30 years over personal injuries and never won a case , he made a good case by saying that your not allowed to have 1 pint and drive because it'll affect your judgement , and yet someone can drink 5 or 6 pints, fall over and claim against you. It's ridiculous .

A woman was on , she had a kids birthday at her house , a neighbour's kid fell and sprained her ankle and the child's mother sued her, even though they did the school run for the child that got her ankle sprained

Another woman was on, she had a few neighbours around for drinks one night, on leaving the house, a neighbour trip on the way out , broke her wrist and sued her as well.

Compo culture has gone way overboard now and it's starting to affect business's and us with higher and higher premiums every year .

Cienciano

Edgware wrote: »

It is just another sign of how fed up ordinary hard working people are with all the scampers, dossiers and Scrotes who are leeching the system.
Casey for Europe.

There's a group of people out there and when their child falls they're like a Daffy Duck cartoon, dollar signs ring up in their eyes to the sound of a cash register.
And €35k is a joke, maybe about €500 would cover it.

Effects

kildare lad wrote: »

There was a publican on, he'd been to court 20 times in 30 years over personal injuries and never won a case , he made a good case by saying that your not allowed to have 1 pint and drive because it'll affect your judgement , and yet someone can drink 5 or 6 pints, fall over and claim against you.

Is part of that issue that he shouldn't be serving someone 5/6 pints so they get to that level of drunkenness?

AndrewJRenko

judeboy101 wrote: »

Groarkey again, quicker we elect our judges the better.

Because this kind of thing doesn't happen in places where judges are elected, like the USA?

Or because you're so pleased with how our elections work in choosing politicians?

suicide_circus

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Will she use the 35,000 as a deposit to buy her own house?

facehugger99

kildare lad wrote: »

Compo culture has gone way overboard now and it's starting to affect business's and us with higher and higher premiums every year .

The Legal profession are making for too much money from the current situation for it ever to change in any meaningful way.

Eggs For Dinner

kildare lad wrote: »

They were talking about it again on newstalk earlier. Ireland's payouts are 5 times higher than England's, we make 10 times the amount of personal injuries claims as they do .

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Yet we want the same level of premiums here that the likes of Zurich, Aviva, AXA, Royal Sunalliance etc charge their customers in those countries

janfebmar

kildare lad wrote: »

They were talking about it again on newstalk earlier. Ireland's payouts are 5 times higher than England's, we make 10 times the amount of personal injuries claims as they do . On the continent, claims that involve no breaks or stitches ,are known as paracetamol claims i.e a week or 2 of rest and your fine . They get next to nothing for them. Over hear 15,000 minimum.

There was a publican on, he'd been to court 20 times in 30 years over personal injuries and never won a case , he made a good case by saying that your not allowed to have 1 pint and drive because it'll affect your judgement , and yet someone can drink 5 or 6 pints, fall over and claim against you. It's ridiculous .

A woman was on , she had a kids birthday at her house , a neighbour's kid fell and sprained her ankle and the child's mother sued her, even though they did the school run for the child that got her ankle sprained

Another woman was on, she had a few neighbours around for drinks one night, on leaving the house, a neighbour trip on the way out , broke her wrist and sued her as well.

Compo culture has gone way overboard now and it's starting to affect business's and us with higher and higher premiums every year .

It is a sign we are unfit to govern ourselves.

LirW

Just ignoring for a second that the payout is high and that compo culture is a thing but I know first hand that some councils are incredibly negligent and dismissive over issues at their properties.
I live in a council estate (I'm not a council tenant) and getting them to get their land maintained is next to impossible. All the units living here have decided to privately pay someone to do it instead, otherwise it would be an absolute mess.
People get fobbed off with rising damp issues in their council properties. Complaints of rodents in the house of a tenant that's a hoarder get ignored until the direct neighbour has them in their own house too.
If you've never dealt with it you can't imagine how frustrating it is to constantly hound them yet nothing happens.

Not saying it justifies the payout but maybe lazy councils finally get the message.

Cee-Jay-Cee

mikemac2 wrote: »

The council were aware of the issue before it happened. It makes a big difference

No it doesn't, they were provided with a home and the least they could do is look after the place and maintain it themselves. Its absolutely astounding that people who have been provided with a home for next to nothing (or free) don't even have to maintain it, that they can whinge to the council to get repairs done.

Eggs For Dinner

LirW wrote: »

Not saying it justifies the payout but maybe lazy councils finally get the message.

But payouts come from taxpayers pockets which, as we all know, are bottomless. If it was hitting the profit and loss of private companies, it would be addressed like a shot

is_that_so

LirW wrote: »

Just ignoring for a second that the payout is high and that compo culture is a thing but I know first hand that some councils are incredibly negligent and dismissive over issues at their properties.
I live in a council estate (I'm not a council tenant) and getting them to get their land maintained is next to impossible. All the units living here have decided to privately pay someone to do it instead, otherwise it would be an absolute mess.
People get fobbed off with rising damp issues in their council properties. Complaints of rodents in the house of a tenant that's a hoarder get ignored until the direct neighbour has them in their own house too.
If you've never dealt with it you can't imagine how frustrating it is to constantly hound them yet nothing happens.

Not saying it justifies the payout but maybe lazy councils finally get the message.

As I said the hungry councillor is one recourse, particularly anyone who wants to stick it to the system! I'd email and BCC all of them. Councils hate politicians getting on their case as they just want a quiet life doing as little as possible. TDs are worth a try especially if one is very local and there's something to be said for the local "newspaper" hearing about it. Then there's always Talk to Joe!

punisher5112

Next a blade of grass caused the person to trip uncontrollably over it..... The council hadn't cut the single blade of grass and should have known....

Wtf is wrong with people.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

You must get a fortune for falling on your own sword these days.

BorneTobyWilde

It's a genuine case, the money award though was high, unless there was medical fees to be paid.

LirW

is_that_so wrote: »

As I said the hungry councillor is one recourse, particularly anyone who wants to stick it to the system! I'd email and BCC all of them. Councils hate politicians getting on their case as they just want a quiet life doing as little as possible. TDs are worth a try especially if one is very local and there's something to be said for the local "newspaper" hearing about it. Then there's always Talk to Joe!

We currently have an issue with a convicted addict that was moved here a few weeks ago, a remote village with no police presence and any amenities. Then their partner moved in who is awaiting trial for raping a family member. The residents of the village went to the local TD and he couldn't do sh1t, the council only started to get involved when they got numerous complaints that the tenant isn't using their flat and has random people staying in it instead.
It's draining and frustrating.

So I kinda get when people are fed up, especially when people have accidents that could have been prevented if the council would have maintained their property properly.
Yes tenants should be expected to maintain their property but I don't see it as their job to fill potholes when they're very most likely not at fault for causing them.
Every private landlord has to fulfill their maintenance duty too and same should go for the council.

recedite

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

unless there was medical fees to be paid.

Presumably they would have a medical card anyway.

nthclare

Sign of the engineering talent in the Co Councils, same everywhere.

These young buck's getting job's as engineers and they've no concept of deterioration of roadways and surfaces.

Too busy on Facebook and Instagram and Snapchat not enough time for the job.

Half the country looks like a Persian quilt....

Odyssey 2005

Money to procure more monkeys