Julian Assange arrested after Ecuador withdraw asylum

scamalert

anyone sees same story with Snowden should he be extradited to US to face life in MAX prison because he exposed all the crap US does on daily basis.


people buy in BS stories yet those who expose real truth are US enemies, how convenient to make BS charges to get people locked up.


he spent 7 years living like hermit, most dont get half that for worse crimes comitted, in Ireland one would be out in years for killing someone, this US BS where they want to pin charges shows how extreme their willing to go as per Snowden example

The Enbalmer

scamalert wrote: »

he spent 7 years living like hermit, most dont get half that for worse crimes comitted, in Ireland one would be out in years for killing someone, this US BS where they want to pin charges shows how extreme their willing to go as per Snowden example

That was his own choice.


Rather than return to sweden to clear his name he sought asylum in the embassy in london like a rat.


He wasn't exactly living like a hermit either..he had plenty of visitors and hangers on to keep him amused when he was bored with that he'd get drunk and daub the walls of the embassy with excreta.

recedite

1641 wrote: »

If the UK agree to extradite him to Sweden it has to be on the basis of a charge - in this case a charge of rape. That is the condition. They cannot extradite with no pre-conditions, ie, on the basis of no charge.

Yes, but the pre-condition I meant would be "suspect to be returned to the UK if found innocent" or words to that effect.
The Swedish source you linked to said "Once the British authorities enforce the UK Supreme Court's decision to extradite Julian Assange to Sweden, Sweden is bound by the so-called "Doctrine of Speciality" and I haven't read the small print of that decision, nor do I intend to because it is out of date now anyway. If the Swedes apply for extradition again, we'll see whether any conditions are attached by the UK courts.

If he goes to Sweden and is found innocent (or guilty) of the rape, but the UK don't want him back, they are not obliged to take him back afterwards.

1641

Ok - here's another source. This dates from 2017 so doesn't refer to the specifics of the current US indictment. But it does look at whether Sweden can extradite Assange on to the US following possible extradition to them from the UK. Here is the relevant paragraph:

"Third, assuming a Swedish court deemed the U.S. charges to be extraditable offenses, Sweden would have to obtain permission from the United Kingdom before it could extradite Assange to the United States. The idea that a requesting state (here, Sweden) may only try a person for the specific offense(s) for which the requested state (here, the UK) granted extradition is known as the rule of specialty, and is contained in Article VIII of the Convention. The UK therefore would have to consent to allow Assange to be tried for crimes other than the possible rape offense for which Sweden has sought his surrender."
https://www.lawfareblog.com/will-united-states-be-able-extradite-assange

Anyway the whole thing is hypothetical. I don't think the Swedes will extradite.

recedite

1641 wrote: »

Ok - here's another source. This dates from 2017 so doesn't refer to the specifics of the current US indictment. But it does look at whether Sweden can extradite Assange on to the US following possible extradition to them from the UK. Here is the relevant paragraph:

"Third, assuming a Swedish court deemed the U.S. charges to be extraditable offenses, Sweden would have to obtain permission from the United Kingdom before it could extradite Assange to the United States. The idea that a requesting state (here, Sweden) may only try a person for the specific offense(s) for which the requested state (here, the UK) granted extradition is known as the rule of specialty, and is contained in Article VIII of the Convention. The UK therefore would have to consent to allow Assange to be tried for crimes other than the possible rape offense for which Sweden has sought his surrender."
https://www.lawfareblog.com/will-united-states-be-able-extradite-assange

Anyway the whole thing is hypothetical. I don't think the Swedes will extradite.

Again its all hinging on the terms and conditions under which the UK (hypothetically) extradites him to Sweden.
ie they can say whether or not they want him back afterwards.



That won't actually have anything to do with an extradition request that the US might make to either UK or to Sweden.

The Enbalmer

If the US issue federal arrest warrant for him he'll be sent there as soon as his jail term in the UK is up.
The Swedes might get him after 20 years.

recedite

The Enbalmer wrote: »

If the US issue federal arrest warrant for him he'll be sent there as soon as his jail term in the UK is up.
The Swedes might get him after 20 years.

What jail term in the UK? He was arrested for his failure to surrender to the court in June 2012 for extradition to Sweden. I can't see him being jailed for that (although having said that, they did manage to lock up Tommy Robinson for a while on some trumped up "contempt of court" charges)

I think you're missing the point that the British don't want to be seen as the people who imprisoned a journalist, or rendered one to a US military prison.
They don't mind being seen as the people that extradited a rapist to Sweden on foot of an EU arrest warrant.

The Enbalmer

recedite wrote: »

What jail term in the UK? He was arrested for his failure to surrender to the court in June 2012 for extradition to Sweden. I can't see him being jailed for that (although having said that, they did manage to lock up Tommy Robinson for a while on some trumped up "contempt of court" charges) .

He has already been found guilty of breaching his bail conditions in a UK court.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/julian-assange-arrest-us-extradition-ecuador-embassy-uk-police-met-wikileaks-a8865021.html

He is likely to be sentenced to at least a year in prison when he is sentenced in May.

recedite wrote: »

I think you're missing the point that the British don't want to be seen as the people who imprisoned a journalist, or rendered one to a US military prison.
They don't mind being seen as the people that extradited a rapist to Sweden on foot of an EU arrest warrant.

The Brits don't give a stuff about him..his antics in hiding in the embassy have embarrassed them and could have potentially soured relations between the UK and equador.

He was additionally arrested on foot of a US extradition warrant..basically he will be extradited to the US as soon as he gets out of the UK prison.

And let there be no doubt..whatever noises the newspapers are making about his receiving a 5 year sentence in America for hacking he is most likely facing federal charges in relation to homeland security..he could and probably will get hit by a 20 year sentence unless (and maybe even if) he co-operates with the prosecutors and gives up his mates in WikiLeaks.

eagle eye

The Enbalmer wrote:

And let there be no doubt..whatever noises the newspapers are making about his receiving a 5 year sentence in America for hacking he is most likely facing federal charges in relation to homeland security..he could and probably will get hit by a 20 year sentence unless (and maybe even if) he co-operates with the prosecutors and gives up his mates in WikiLeaks.

And yet not one of the people from the torture and war crimes, revealed by WikiLeaks, in Iraq has been prosecuted.

The Enbalmer

eagle eye wrote:

And yet not one of the people from the torture and war crimes, revealed by WikiLeaks, in Iraq has been prosecuted.

Maybe the "leaks" were just more bullshiit

Zorya

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Maybe the "leaks" were just more bullshiit

They weren't though. Must be a pain for ya.

recedite

The Enbalmer wrote: »

He has already been found guilty of breaching his bail conditions in a UK court.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/julian-assange-arrest-us-extradition-ecuador-embassy-uk-police-met-wikileaks-a8865021.html

He is likely to be sentenced to at least a year in prison when he is sentenced in May.

That was their reason/pretext for arresting him, but I doubt he will be imprisoned in the UK, not for any significant time anyway.
Think about it - he is guilty of evading extradition. The legal remedy for that is obviously to extradite him.

But they would much prefer to extradite a rapist to Sweden than a journalist to a US military prison.
So they will hold him now, while they try to "encourage" Sweden to knock up some kind of extradition warrant.

The Enbalmer

recedite wrote: »

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But they would much prefer to extradite a rapist to Sweden than a journalist to a US military prison.
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Why would he be going to a military prison?


He's not military personnel,he's a common criminal.

eagle eye

The Enbalmer wrote:

He's not military personnel,he's a common criminal.

What has he been convicted of?

The Enbalmer

eagle eye wrote: »

What has he been convicted of?

Breaching his bail conditions for starters.

eagle eye

Skipping bail doesn't make him a 'common' criminal.
A common criminal is somebody with a history of crimes such as theft, burglary, assault and public order offenses.

The Enbalmer

eagle eye wrote: »

Skipping bail doesn't make him a 'common' criminal.
A common criminal is somebody with a history of crimes such as theft, burglary, assault and public order offenses.

Running away from your bail conditions is also something criminals do...quite commonly.

eagle eye

The Enbalmer wrote:

Running away from your bail conditions is also something criminals do...quite commonly.

If you do it multiple times and have other convictions then you are a common criminal.
I don't know why I'm bothering responding to you because you come across as either not very intelligent or just somebody that likes to be an antichrist.

The Enbalmer

eagle eye wrote: »

If you do it multiple times and have other convictions then you are a common criminal.

That's the Oxford english dictionary definition,is it?

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't know why I'm bothering responding to you because you come across as either not very intelligent or just somebody that likes to be an antichrist.

And you sound like somebody who is a complete imbecile.

bodhrandude

bodhrandude

What happened here, I just posted a Roger Waters video of him talking about Julian Assange, no need to disengage in discussion just because of this, please continue.

ohnonotgmail

bodhrandude wrote: »

What happened here, I just posted a Roger Waters video of him talking about Julian Assange, no need to disengage in discussion just because of this, please continue.

Waters is a putin shill. Take a look at his comments on the russian annexation of crimea. They're just a repeat of russian propaganda. Which is exactly what he is doing here.

heebusjeebus

bodhrandude wrote: »

What happened here, I just posted a Roger Waters video of him talking about Julian Assange, no need to disengage in discussion just because of this, please continue.

That was tough to listen to. Waters is a rambling mad man whining about the "American empire" from NYC :pac:

eagle eye

Well some of the stuff he said was reasonable but as the interview went on he became ridiculous.
I agree with him about Assange though. Very real chance that he ends up dead at some stage if the Yanks get their hands on him.
The Adrian Lamo death is very suspicious. There is still no reported cause of death.
Chelsea Manning is back in custody for refusing to testify against Assange.
This is just so wrong.
Still no charges brought against any of the individuals involved in torture and war crimes in Iraq. This is what they are going after Assange for, it's what Chelsea Manning did a sentence for.
And you have idiots here shouting for Assange to be extradited to the US. Obviously they want all these atrocities to be committed and not to know anything about it.

peddlelies

This is just sad, where's the privacy?

scamalert

clearly he went a bit nuts, but people forget that wikileaks exposed many corupt countries and overturned regimes, as well as criminal acts by US- thats why US creams themselves to get their hands on him as he'd be facing 20-30 years min, and no fair trial, as American stance is already known like with Snowden example-exposed that government spies on its own citizens and foreign countries marked as criminal for life - logic 0. If hes extradited would be end of him prob by himself.



its purely political revenge pushed, as for him skipping British bail its not like he was out of the country all the time in same place for 7 years hardly comparable to actual criminals that flee justice.
As he was targeted by US since 2010 so not much choice as charges seems could been made up easily given embarrassment caused by the leaks to all the agencies that Wikileaks exposed.

peddlelies

peddlelies wrote:

This is just sad, where's the privacy?

That is heartbreaking.

Manic Moran

ts purely political revenge pushed, as for him skipping British bail its not like he was out of the country all the time in same place for 7 years hardly comparable to actual criminals that flee justice.

I don't believe there's an exception in the bail statutes for "Well, as long as we know where he is, it's fine".

He took himself out of the normal British judicial process. That's skipping bail as much as anyone else. The fact that he chose to spend it in the Ecuadorian embassy instead of on the lam in general is rather irrelevant to the charge.

eagle eye

Manic Moran wrote:

I don't believe there's an exception in the bail statutes for "Well, as long as we know where he is, it's fine".
He took himself out of the normal British judicial process. That's skipping bail as much as anyone else. The fact that he chose to spend it in the Ecuadorian embassy instead of on the lam in general is rather irrelevant to the charge.

It's quite often the case where a bench warrant is made out to be served at the court so that the person doesn't spend long in custody.
Julian Assange had to be arrested on foot of a bench warrant. He of course was arrested and taken into custody.

Dohnjoe

Judge was straight to the point

“His assertion that he has not had a fair hearing is laughable. And his behaviour is that of a narcissist who cannot get beyond his own selfish interests.”