Peter Casey to contest the European elections

Charles Ingles

pjohnson wrote: »

Jaysus what planet are you on?

You disagree?

MrMusician18

Faugheen wrote: »

You don't like foreigners and you're voting Casey for 'telling the truth' about foreigners.

Therefore I believe you are a racist.

That's not racism.

It's xenophobia.

Faugheen

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Anti abortion do you mean?

Nope, anti-choice.

If you're anti-abortion then you'd rather raped women have their baby or get on the plane.

BarryD2

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Sure killer tubridy threatened to beat him up after an attempted ambush on the late late show

Not convinced that Tubs could punch his way out of a paper bag!

Nobelium

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Yes well rte accounts for at least half of higgans vote count.
They acted as election agents for him across radio and television. In both election campaigns.
Casey's vote came from the people in spite of Rte attempts to scandalise him mis quote him to make him drop out the race.
Sure killer tubridy threatened to beat him up after an attempted ambush on the late late show

Regardless of RTE's usual shenanigans, Higgan's was the least worst candidate in a very poor line up.

FrancieBrady

Faugheen wrote: »

You don't like foreigners and you're voting Casey for 'telling the truth' about foreigners.

Therefore I believe you are a racist.

There is also, demeaning candidates because they are 'gay'(whatever that has to do with their suitability) 'entered a competition' and likening the president to a 'monkey'.

Faugheen

MrMusician18 wrote: »

That's not racism.

It's xenophobia.

It's all one side of the same arse as far as I'm concerned.

Charles Ingles

Faugheen wrote: »

Nope, anti-choice.

If you're anti-abortion then you'd rather raped women have their baby or get on the plane.

Ok best of luck with that.
Strawman

BarryD2

Faugheen wrote: »

You don't like foreigners and you're voting Casey for 'telling the truth' about foreigners.

Therefore I believe you are a racist.

This is typical 'if you're not for us, then you're agin us' rhetoric.

It's quite possible to empathise with some of the issues that Casey raises, without being racist at all. It's not black & white and it does a disservice to normal politics to make out that it is.

Charles Ingles

BarryD2 wrote: »

Not convinced that Tubs could punch his way out of a paper bag!

Casey would take him grew up in free Derry during the troubles.
Tubridy grew up in a bubble

Charles Ingles

Faugheen wrote: »

It's all one side of the same arse as far as I'm concerned.

Two completely different things

Plumbthedepths

Faugheen wrote:

You don't like foreigners and you're voting Casey for 'telling the truth' about foreigners.

Kindly put out where I said the above, otherwise you are a liar.

Plumbthedepths

Faugheen wrote:

Therefore I believe you are a racist.

Reported

Faugheen

BarryD2 wrote: »

This is typical 'if you're not for us, then you're agin us' rhetoric.

It's quite possible to empathise with some of the issues that Casey raises, without being racist at all. It's not black & white and it does a disservice to normal politics to make out that it is.

Then why are people voting for someone based on a rant about foreigners but with no actual policy to tackle the 'issues' raised in that rant?

They're voting for him based on an 'old man yells at cloud' type rant. It's very black and white as far as I'm concerned.

Some posters say 'we'll see what he does to tackle rural issues' when he can't do anything about it as an MEP ffs. They've no idea what the f*ck they're talking about.

I'd rather someone just said 'I don't like foreigners' instead of pretending to be something they're not.

BarryD2

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Reported

Why? If you can't stand the heat in the kichen etc etc..

Faugheen

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Two completely different things

Both scummy.

Plumbthedepths

FrancieBrady wrote:

There is also, demeaning candidates because they are 'gay'(whatever that has to do with their suitability) 'entered a competition' and likening the president to a 'monkey'.

I see you are engaging with your usual tactics of misrepresentation. I said a monkey could do the job. I didn't liken the incumbent to a monkey. Don't be telling lies Francie when so easily disproved.

Plumbthedepths

BarryD2 wrote:

Why? If you can't stand the heat in the kichen etc etc..

I'm not having someone write lies about me and accuse me of racism without reacting.

BarryD2

Faugheen wrote: »

Then why are people voting for someone based on a rant about foreigners but with no actual policy to tackle the 'issues' raised in that rant?

Because it resonates with them! Voters are aware that some people are stuck in the asylum system for years. Some of this is the fault of the system but there is no doubt at all, that there are some asylum seekers playing the system, prolonging it with appeals and then complaining about being stuck in it.

Charles Ingles

Faugheen wrote: »

Both scummy.

Well if you are talking about genuine racism I'd agree with you.
But discussion boarders and immigration doesn't make anybody a racist.

Nobelium

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I'm not having someone write lies about me and accuse me of racism without reacting.

I suppose it's a case of not being able to refute the points so they resort to name calling instead, and making it about the poster instead of the points raised. A sure sign of a weak or no argument.

FrancieBrady

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I see you are engaging with your usual tactics of misrepresentation. I said a monkey could do the job. I didn't liken the incumbent to a monkey. Don't be telling lies Francie when so easily disproved.

Yeh, and you are not really trying to demean women either by plucking one thing about their life out to highlight or to highlight their sexuality.

We can all read between the lines.

Danzy

Faugheen wrote: »

Therefore I believe you are a racist.

Pot calling the kettle black.

You have had some choice views yourself that leave you open to the same charge.

MrMusician18

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Getting 22 per cent is getting your ass handed to you?

It wasn't getting 22 percent that was sensational about Casey's performance but that he went from being the laggard at 1pc to 22pc on the back of one quote. While one unnamed minister dismissed his performance as him being the candidate all the eternally malcontent got behind, I personally think that was a complete misreading of his vote. Some traveler families are causing issues in rural communities and no one up until him had the guts to nationally air private views of a substantial cohort of voters and indeed many local politicians. He pointed out the hypocrisy of those that were calling him a racist but them supporting a system that sees halting sites placed in rural towns and never in the likes of Donnybrook, well away from the talking heads.

I think he may have won the first preference vote in places like Longford for that very reason.

Faugheen

Alright Plumbthedepths.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Gay woman, ex winner of the lovely girl competition. Ticks a few boxes for some.

Your post about Maria Walsh.

My opinion on Peter Casey.

‘Racist/xenophobic with no actual policies. Ticks a few boxes for some.’

How is that post any different to what you said about Maria Walsh and the voters she might represent?

Faugheen

Danzy wrote: »

Pot calling the kettle black.

You have had some choice views yourself that leave you open to the same charge.

Such as?

Faugheen

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Well if you are talking about genuine racism I'd agree with you.
But discussion boarders and immigration doesn't make anybody a racist.

When people who are in Direct Provision in order to get out of whatever they’re facing in their own country are being called ‘freeloaders’ then I wouldn’t call that a ‘discussion’, it’s a rant.

Charles Ingles

Faugheen wrote: »

When people who are in Direct Provision in order to get out of whatever they’re facing in their own country are being called ‘freeloaders’ then I wouldn’t call that a ‘discussion’, it’s a rant.

Who called them freeloaders?

Faugheen

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Who called them freeloaders?

Peter Casey.

Are you paying any attention to the thread?

Charles Ingles

Faugheen wrote: »

Peter Casey.

Are you paying any attention to the thread?

I just watched him on the week in politics calling DP centres prisons.
He said Genuine refugees should be treated with respect and the applications dealt with in a timely manner.
He also said we should concentrate on taking our refugees from war torn countries, what is racist about that .
He never called them freeloaders

MrMusician18

Faugheen wrote: »

When people who are in Direct Provision in order to get out of whatever they’re facing in their own country are being called ‘freeloaders’ then I wouldn’t call that a ‘discussion’, it’s a rant.

Sorry, "whatever" doesn't cut it as a valid reason.

People should only be in direct provision if they are escaping war/persecution. The system is not meant to house those fleeing for economic reasons.

The reason many might legitimately raise an eyebrow at anyone claiming asylum here is the fact that Ireland is located a great distance from active war zones with no direct transport links. One would have to transit (many) safe countries to reach the island. The bogus nature of the vast majority of applicants is borne out by the statistics, something like 1 in 10 are considered genuine.

Everyone has their case heard within 18 months. Anyone in the system longer has been rejected and is appealing.

Charles Ingles

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Sorry, "whatever" doesn't cut it as a valid reason.

People should only be in direct provision if they are escaping war/persecution. The system is not meant to house those fleeing for economic reasons.

The reason many might legitimately raise an eyebrow at anyone claiming asylum here is the fact that Ireland is located a great distance from active war zones with no direct transport links. One would have to transit (many) safe countries to reach the island. The bogus nature of the vast majority of applicants is borne out by the statistics, something like 1 in 10 are considered genuine.

Everyone has their case heard within 18 months. Anyone in the system longer has been rejected and is appealing.

Ireland is a soft touch, Irish citizens the heavy price

Faugheen

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I just watched him on the week in politics calling DP centres prisons.
He said Genuine refugees should be treated with respect and the applications dealt with in a timely manner.
He also said we should concentrate on taking our refugees from war torn countries, what is racist about that .
He never called them freeloaders

I’m not talking about what he said on TWIP.

I asked you were you paying any attention to the thread and quite clearly you’re not.

He may not have called them freeloaders on TWIP but he has called them freeloaders.

Charles Ingles

Faugheen wrote: »

I’m not talking about what he said on TWIP.

I asked you were you paying any attention to the thread and quite clearly you’re not.

He may not have called them freeloaders on TWIP but he has called them freeloaders.

I'm just not paying attention to your nonsense

Faugheen

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I'm just not paying attention to your nonsense

Good one. Can tell you stayed up all night to come up with that zinger.

He called them freeloaders. It’s a fact. It’s in this thread. Go and find it.

MrMusician18

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Ireland is a soft touch, Irish citizens the heavy price

I wouldn't agree with that. The direct provision system was designed to be as unpalatable for bogus refugees as possible whilst still meeting Ireland's international obligations. To that end, the system had been quite successful, the number of people seeking refuge in Ireland plummeted in the wake of the DP system implementation as word got out that Ireland was no longer a soft touch.

The media coverage of the DP system is completely skewed away from the reality of how it works, and how it generates the outcomes that it does. When there is a story of how someone is in the system for say eight years, there rarely if ever is a mention that they are on their Nth appeal, but plenty of mention that Ireland treats these foreigners like defacto criminals.

Charles Ingles

Faugheen wrote: »

Good one. Can tell you stayed up all night to come up with that zinger.

He called them freeloaders. It’s a fact. It’s in this thread. Go and find it.

The man spoke on television in the last hour and spoke on direct provision I'll think I'll take him on his word if that's ok with you.

Plumbthedepths

FrancieBrady wrote:

Yeh, and you are not really trying to demean women either by plucking one thing about their life out to highlight or to highlight their sexuality.

She's openly gay and won the ROT, both facts. Now are you going to apologise for telling lies?

alchemist33

Charles Ingles wrote: »

The man spoke on television in the last hour and spoke on direct provision I'll think I'll take him on his word if that's ok with you.

The post that started this whole conversation off linked to an IT article where Casey used the term.

Plumbthedepths

Faugheen wrote:

How is that post any different to what you said about Maria Walsh and the voters she might represent?

Are you going to address the lies you posted about me? A simple yes or no.

Charles Ingles

alchemist33 wrote: »

The post that started this whole conversation off linked to an IT article where Casey used the term.

Yes but he had changed his mind or articulated himself better in the last hour.
So I'll take what he said today as genuine.
From what he said today was he is favour of helping genuine refugees.

Faugheen

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Are you going to address the lies you posted about me? A simple yes or no.

What lies are those, exactly?

I’ve given you my reasons for believing that you are a racist. All I’ve seen you say is that I’m lying.

Explain how I’m lying and we’ll talk about it. Until then my belief remains based on your posts and your continued defence of Casey and his views.

Faugheen

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Yes but he had changed his mind or articulated himself better in the last hour.
So I'll take what he said today as genuine.
From what he said today was he is favour of helping genuine refugees.

He didn’t change his mind.

He didn’t address the ‘freeloaders’ comment at all.

Either way, what’s he going’s to do about it? F*ck all.

Plumbthedepths

Faugheen wrote:

You don't like foreigners and you're voting Casey for 'telling the truth' about foreigners.

Faugheen wrote:

Therefore I believe you are a racist.

You claimed I said the above, kindly link where I posted the above.

Faugheen

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You claimed I said the above, kindly link where I posted the above.

Why are you voting for Casey if none of the above are true or are in anyway representative of your values?

Charles Ingles

Faugheen wrote: »

He didn’t change his mind.

He didn’t address the ‘freeloaders’ comment at all.

Either way, what’s he going’s to do about it? F*ck all.

He was referring to bogus applications who use the appeal system to drag out the process by years.
These people take the opportunities from genuine refugees we could be helping.
Bogus applications for refugee status are freeloaders what would you call them?

Plumbthedepths

Faugheen wrote:

Explain how I’m lying and we’ll talk about it. Until then my belief remains based on your posts and your continued defence of Casey and his views.

You have attributed comments to me I never uttered and further to this you have called me a racist based on lies you have attributed to me. A disgusting pathetic means of discussion.

Charles Ingles

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You claimed I said the above, kindly link where I posted the above.

Your no racist plumb, you were just winning the argument

Plumbthedepths

Charles Ingles wrote:

Your no racist plumb, you were just winning the argument

Fortunately there is only a couple of posters here who engage in these tactics.

Faugheen

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You have attributed comments to me I never uttered and further to this you have called me a racist based on lies you have attributed to me. A disgusting pathetic means of discussion.

Are you going to cry to mods about it?

Give me a reason to believe otherwise and I’ll apologise. So far all you’ve done is call me a liar but you haven’t actually disputed what I’ve said.