Peter Casey to contest the European elections

listermint

Nobelium wrote: »

given how is opponents use the term they don't know the meaning of it either, in fact it has become a meaningless ad homiem attempt at this stage.

Ah Peter will you get some kip, it's been a long day . You'll need the rest

dxhound2005

https://commodity.com/debt-clock/japan/

According to the IMF, Japan’s national debt to GDP ratio was 236% in 2017, making it the highest national debt in the world when compared to the national income.

The poor oul Japanese must be bankrupted for ten generations. In reality capitalism depends on lending and borrowing and every country in the world has a national debt. Ours is nothing out of the ordinary.

Nobelium

listermint wrote: »

Ah Peter will you get some kip, it's been a long day . You'll need the rest

hug some trees and dream of imposing some corrupt carbon taxes on ordinary people you'll feel better there's a good girl

Nobelium

Nobelium wrote: »

hug some trees and dream of imposing carbon taxes on ordinary people you'll feel better

Quite the retort

Nobelium

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Quite the retort

indeed, enjoy paying them

MrMusician18

dxhound2005 wrote: »

https://commodity.com/debt-clock/japan/

According to the IMF, Japan’s national debt to GDP ratio was 236% in 2017, making it the highest national debt in the world when compared to the national income.

The poor oul Japanese must be bankrupted for ten generations. In reality capitalism depends on lending and borrowing and every country in the world has a national debt. Ours is nothing out of the ordinary.

Most Japanese debt is internal, i.e. they've borrowed from themselves. There is an incentive therefore not too bankrupt the Japanese government as it would inevitably lead to the lenders own demise.

That said, many have been big and lost their shirt being against Japanese sovereign debt.

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

I saw that number as well. I can't believe that they are actually reporting "Exit polls" based on such small numbers. I reckon if I had put a full tank in the Granada this morning and put in a long day I could have got the opinions of more than that.

You don't need big sample sizes to get an accurate picture. 4000 sounds like enough for the whole country when sampled correctly.

The exit polls are not lying, they'll be very close to the actual result in the end. There's no point in being in denial about it tbh.

riffmongous

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

I saw that number as well. I can't believe that they are actually reporting "Exit polls" based on such small numbers. I reckon if I had put a full tank in the Granada this morning and put in a long day I could have got the opinions of more than that.

You should look up how polls work and how the margin of error changes with sample size

dxhound2005

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

I saw that number as well. I can't believe that they are actually reporting "Exit polls" based on such small numbers. I reckon if I had put a full tank in the Granada this morning and put in a long day I could have got the opinions of more than that.

That is not a small number to get reasonable accuracy, according to those who are in the business. This is from one of their earlier polls methodology. Keep the Granada in the garage.

Accuracy
In a truly random and representative
sample, the margin for error at 95%
confidence for the total sample of
3,474 should be a minimum of + or –
1.7%.
However, the approach to opinion
and exit polling does not provide for
a 100% random sample. All polls are
subject to a wide range of potential
sources of error, due to issues such
as refusal levels and location choice.
As such the margin for error could be
somewhat higher than this, at more
like + or – 3%.

mgn

I would be a lot happier if Ming loses his seat than if Casey was elected President and MEP Together.

eagle eye

Samuel Vimes wrote:

Ha ha ha, you wish lol

No, I know unlike you.

Pretzill

I was in a position where I looked at the polling card and went f*uck who are these people?...can I do a 4,5,6 - so I voted green #1 and the Casey (kind of an anti establishment and aptly #2) and Ming #3 because well, one must. I hope RTE/TG4 poll are wrong I don't want either FF or FG (particularly) feeling all is OK because it isn't.

I am normally a left wing voter btw.

Blueshoe

If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.
Mark Twain

Wheeliebin30

Pretzill wrote: »

I was in a position where I looked at the polling card and went f*uck who are these people?...can I do a 4,5,6 - so I voted green #1 and the Casey (kind of an anti establishment and aptly #2) and Ming #3 because well, one must. I hope RTE/TG4 poll are wrong I don't want either FF or FG (particularly) feeling all is OK because it isn't.

I am normally a left wing voter btw.

Well get used to it.

The country doesn’t want a left wing party in charge.

dxhound2005

Protestant people voted for de Valera in presidential elections, because he was in power when IRA men were executed in the 1940's. In the North the DUP claim some Catholics vote for them because of their stand on abortion.

Blueshoe

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Well get used to it.

The country doesn’t want a left wing party in charge.

I hope that fact never changes either

Edgware

Nobelium wrote: »

the people have a short memory, the greens in cahoots with FF bankrupted Ireland for a generation last time they were in power.

Not forgetting the John Gormley Sewage Disposal Facility in his constituency.

Edgware

No swing to FG so?

thecretinhop

Edgware wrote: »

Not forgetting the John Gormley Sewage Disposal Facility in his constituency.

When you add other debts its closer to 333 billion. In 2008 the uk backed irelands call for 36 billion in ango be left defaulted.
Timothy gihgner (rough spelling) vetoed it. Good man obama shure he drank a pint in offaly. Orange man bad! Obama through ****ed us in just dat alone i could go on but fact and logic v fanatics dies not end well..

Nobelium

Blueshoe wrote: »

If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.
Mark Twain

More true now than ever before

tonycascarino

Edgware wrote: »

No swing to FG so?

The only swing connected to FG is the one Maria Bailey was on.

thecretinhop

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/portrait-of-a-man-who-opposed-haircuts-1.1792498%3fmode=amp

thecretinhop

thecretinhop wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/portrait-of-a-man-who-opposed-haircuts-1.1792498%3fmode=amp

Translation fk de idiot paddies.
But obama had de pint in offaly!

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

eagle eye wrote: »

If a younger smarter person takes up his mantle he will get elected and probably top a poll.

You thought Mairead McGuinness would be lucky to get a seat.

eagle eye wrote: »

If you think somebody from a party which has shut down rural hospitals, made a major blunder with billions of our euro on the new children's hospital, left rural Ireland without broadband, wants everybody to stop cutting turf and has a gay party leader is going to top the poll in the northwest region you are deluded.
Sadly she might get a seat.

eagle eye wrote: »

I think she will at best be fourth. There are lots of posters up for her running mate in Sligo, Donegal and Roscommon. I don't think I've seen a poster for McGuinness yet. They could do themselves out of getting even one seat.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

tonycascarino wrote: »

Exit polls mean zilch. I don't think too many are going to admit they voted for Casey in an exit poll. Somehow, I think he will be much higher.

Whilst there’ll be a larger margin of error in a large consistency, this is highly unlikely. Exit polls are generally on the money. Naturally there are exceptions.

And why would anyone hide who they voted for? Kinda odd that they’d vote for someone that they’re ashamed to admit to.

eagle eye

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote:

You thought Mairead McGuinness would be lucky to get a seat.

Yes, I overestimated the intelligence of the electorate.

Yurt2

dxhound2005 wrote: »

https://commodity.com/debt-clock/japan/

According to the IMF, Japan’s national debt to GDP ratio was 236% in 2017, making it the highest national debt in the world when compared to the national income.

The poor oul Japanese must be bankrupted for ten generations. In reality capitalism depends on lending and borrowing and every country in the world has a national debt. Ours is nothing out of the ordinary.

The vast majority of Japanese debt is internally held (by both their own central bank and domestic Japanese financial institutions). Simply put, if they were to default, they would be defaulting on themselves. A world away from Ireland's debt problems then and now, when we were in hock to the world and his mother.

UrbanSprawl

Yurt! wrote: »

The vast majority of Japanese debt is internally held (by both their own central bank and domestic Japanese financial institutions). Simply put, if they were to default, they would be defaulting on themselves. A world away from Ireland's debt problems then and now, when we were in hock to the world and his mother.

cant pay we will take it away based on the exit polls another 5 years of climate change waffle and inward migration eammon ryan will be delighted

listermint

eagle eye wrote: »

Yes, I overestimated the intelligence of the electorate.

Weird that she is one of the most hard working and competent MEPs we have.

Kinda crazy you think people don't see what's right in front of them..but I suppose there's not accounting for ones mad views colouring the facts.



Looks like renua and that other mad gowl party are being slammed in the polls.

Yer Da sells Avon

Apparently he's picking up lots of second preferences from the FG and FF candidates...

Mad_maxx

Nobelium wrote: »

the people have a short memory, the greens in cahoots with FF bankrupted Ireland for a generation last time they were in power.

The greens made up the numbers from 2007 to 2011, they had little to do with the policies which made our experience of the global recession so much worse

Mad_maxx

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Doubtful, I can see him throwing his hat in the ring for the GE. If he decides to become serious/ drop the incoherent babbling , pick a position stick with it and gets some PR help he will be in with a shot. He reasonates with people, 7 per cent if that is his final result is impressive considering he is not a politician.

Casey himself is too dumb to ever bring about the change which many want, hopefully his crude and clumsy experience will encourage a more sophisticated operator to emerge, it's a big task in a country so utterly dominated by the left in terms of public discourse

dxhound2005

The thread is suddenly full of experts on international debt. And of course as usual Ireland is the very worst in the world ever.

badtoro

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

I'll be voting no.1 for The Peter to try and stop Walsh getting in! My real no.1 vote is Ming but I know he's getting in so I'll give my no.1 to Casey.

Jesus but you'd want a kick. It's that type of brain fart that got Brexit across the line.

How do you feel about you "real no.1" on 10% this morning?

Blueshoe

badtoro wrote: »

Jesus but you'd want a kick. It's that type of brain fart that got Brexit across the line.

How do you feel about you "real no.1" on 10% this morning?

Who did you vote for?

badtoro

Blueshoe wrote: »

badtoro wrote: »

Jesus but you'd want a kick. It's that type of brain fart that got Brexit across the line.

How do you feel about you "real no.1" on 10% this morning?

Who did you vote for?

#1 Ming

batgoat

Blueshoe wrote: »

If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.
Mark Twain

Not a Mark Twain quote.

Yurt2

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The thread is suddenly full of experts on international debt. And of course as usual Ireland is the very worst in the world ever.

Well, you went off on one about the Japanese economy without knowing what you're talking about. Don't get surprised or hot under the collar when you're corrected (by more than one poster).

Blueshoe

batgoat wrote: »

Not a Mark Twain quote.

I think what Google tells me to think 😉

Blueshoe

badtoro wrote: »

#1 Ming

I voted for Tommy Robinson

Peregrine

eagle eye wrote: »

Yes, I overestimated the intelligence of the electorate.

Makes wildly inaccurate and out of touch predictions...blames it on other people's intelligence.

Funny to have English people complaining about how we vote on this site.

dxhound2005

Yurt! wrote: »

Well, you went off on one about the Japanese economy without knowing what you're talking about. Don't get surprised or hot under the collar when you're corrected (by more than one poster).

Another poster said that Ireland is bankrupted for a generation. Using the same link I amusingly said that Japan must be bankrupted for 10 generations.

Neither of these things are true, so nobody is correct in claiming that Ireland is bankrupted for a generation.

batgoat

Peregrine wrote: »

Makes wildly inaccurate and out of touch predictions...blames it on other people's intelligence.

Funniest part is that Eagle was a huge Trump fan...:p

Ulysses Gaze

Peregrine wrote: »

Makes wildly inaccurate and out of touch predictions...blames it on other people's intelligence.

It's always the "sheeple" that are wrong.

Skylinehead

eagle eye wrote: »

Yes, I overestimated the intelligence of the electorate.

You called other people deluded for saying she'd top the poll.

That wasn't very intelligent

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Casey ran a campaign that showed exactly how much respect he had for his imagined voters, thought he could just flail about devoid of policy or a grasp of, well anything, but tell everyone he tells it like it is and speaks up for those afraid to speak their poor little right wing minds and swan into an easy gig. He's a moron and a opportunist.

Peadar Toibín is a much slicker operator with a far less alienating persona though and Aontú have only managed 1%, when their pro-life platform was as hot a topic as it's ever going to be. Renua shat the bed too.

Maybe Brexit will change things but once again this fed-up-with-PC-fake-news right wing grassroots has failed to materialise, and they had plenty of options this time. When the Irish electorate swings away from the centre we consistently swing left, we're still, thank God, not fallen sick with the madness cutting a swathe through Europe.

circadian

Peregrine wrote: »

Makes wildly inaccurate and out of touch predictions...blames it on other people's intelligence.

Sounds a lot like Gemma O'Doherty.

"I'm here in (insert Dublin suburb) and you people live in a ****hole. Vote for me!"

"The cabal and Soros are terrified of me and they rigged the election so I wouldn't get elected."

robman60

Elsie Spicy Garter wrote: »

Casey ran a campaign that showed exactly how much respect he had for his imagined voters, thought he could just flail about devoid of policy or a grasp of, well anything, but tell everyone he tells it like it is and speaks up for those afraid to speak their poor little right wing minds and swan into an easy gig. He's a moron and a opportunist.

Peadar Toibín is a much slicker operator with a far less alienating persona though and Aontú have only managed 1%, when their pro-life platform was as hot a topic as it's ever going to be. Renua shat the bed too.

Maybe Brexit will change things but once again this fed-up-with-PC-fake-news right wing grassroots has failed to materialise, and they had plenty of options this time. When the Irish electorate swings away from the centre we consistently swing left, we're still, thank God, not fallen sick with the madness cutting a swathe through Europe.

Renua were never coming to anything after Lucinda Creighton left but I think Tóibín might be onto something. Have to bear in mind that there were a lot of council areas such as my own which didn't have anyone running, so obviously a lot of areas with 0% is going to hit. THey were polling 5% in MNW region for local councils and they are getting a solid grassroots going. I wouldn't rule the party out by any means.

listermint

robman60 wrote: »

Renua were never coming to anything after Lucinda Creighton left but I think Tóibín might be onto something. Have to bear in mind that there were a lot of council areas such as my own which didn't have anyone running, so obviously a lot of areas with 0% is going to hit. THey were polling 5% in MNW region for local councils and they are getting a solid grassroots going. I wouldn't rule the party out by any means.

There's nothing grass roots about a church sponsored party who has priests and busy bodies telling parishioners to vote for them from the alter.

Let's put this grass roots talk to rest for a start.

badtoro

listermint wrote: »

robman60 wrote: »

Renua were never coming to anything after Lucinda Creighton left but I think Tóibín might be onto something. Have to bear in mind that there were a lot of council areas such as my own which didn't have anyone running, so obviously a lot of areas with 0% is going to hit. THey were polling 5% in MNW region for local councils and they are getting a solid grassroots going. I wouldn't rule the party out by any means.

There's nothing grass roots about a church sponsored party who has priests and busy bodies telling parishioners to vote for them from the alter.

Let's put this grass roots talk to rest for a start.

Are you talking Renua or Mairead McGuinness there?