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Nobelium

Nobelium wrote: »

Simple laws of supply and demand. You pay the right wages according to the prevailing supply and demand and you'll get all the employees you want.

The supply isn't in Ireland though, that's the point. The demand is. Plenty of jobs but not enough skilled workers. Hence, companies looking elsewhere. A Galway company recently went to Australia to recruit as they can't fill the jobs here.

Blueshoe

Blueshoe wrote: »

Wasting your time. They can't see beyond the M50

Pretty sure Galway and Limerick are beyond it.

batgoat

Nobelium wrote: »

Neither the Software industry nor Dublin is representative of all other employment sectors in Ireland

You literally had this post straight after mine...

Nobelium wrote: »

Simple laws of supply and demand. You pay the right wages according to the prevailing supply and demand and you'll get all the employees you want.

I was pointing out that certain industries lack the supply. You then claimed we weren't paying enough. Now you're shifting the goal posts.... You'll find that this isn't limited to Galway, Limerick and Dublin btw...

Ahwell

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Angry at unemployed? No, just the people who couldn't be arsed working. We all know one.

The long-term unemployment rate is only 2.1%, down from a peak of 9.8% in 2012. During the boom years it was as low as 1%. When people actually have a choice between working and not working - people choose to work.

Nobelium

RoboKlopp wrote: »

The supply isn't in Ireland though, that's the point. The demand is. Plenty of jobs but not enough skilled workers. Hence, companies looking elsewhere. A Galway company recently went to Australia to recruit as they can't get fill the jobs here.

Back to claiming certain cities represent the situation in all of Ireland again ? They don't. And if you pay the increasing market rate, commensurate with the supply and demand, instead of trying to import cheap labour and undercut existing employees, you'll get all the workers you need.

Nobelium

Ahwell wrote: »

The long-term unemployment rate is only 2.1%, down from a peak of 9.8% in 2012. During the boom years it was as low as 1%. When people actually have a choice between working and not working - people choose to work.

Apparently it's ok to be racist against Irish people though and claim the foreign unemployed are better than the Irish unemployed.

Nobelium

Nobelium wrote: »

Back to claiming certain cities represent the situation in all of Ireland again ? They don't. And if you pay the increasing market rate, commensurate with the supply and demand, instead of trying to import cheap labour and undercut existing employees, you'll get all the workers you need.

Import cheap labour? But they get the going rates here be it for engineer/manager whatever

Where are you getting your information? Link it

Nobelium

Nobelium wrote: »

Apparently it's ok to be racist against Irish people though and claim the foreign unemployed are better than the Irish unemployed.

Said nobody

batgoat

Nobelium wrote: »

Apparently it's ok to be racist against Irish people though and claim the foreign unemployed are better than the Irish unemployed.

Pretty sure most industries for skilled jobs hire based on who is the most qualified for a role... Salary undercutting also isn't particularly lucrative because for non EU migrants, sorting visas costs substantial amounts of time for a company and time is money. Even large hr departments view it as hassle so the system is entirely slanted in favour of people from within the EU, more so Irish because no fiscal incentive to move country which companies do tend to do when desperate.

fin12

I always find it unbelievable how foreign people seem to know a lot more about what they are entitled to then an Irish person. I’m talking in regards of social welfare and tax credits.

Nobelium

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Import cheap labour? But they get the going rates here be it for engineer/manager whatever

Where are you getting your information? Link it

No they get the lower than current market rate Irish people know does not reflect the actual supply / demand. hence the vacancy.

Again, the software industry in Dublin does not represent every employment sector in Ireland.

fin12

fin12 wrote: »

I always find it unbelievable how foreign people seem to know a lot more about what they are entitled to then an Irish person. I’m talking in regards of social welfare and tax credits.

Damn clever foreigners :pac:

Nobelium

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Damn clever foreigners :pac:

and more snide anti Irish remarks, now who's racist ?

batgoat

Nobelium wrote: »

No they get the lower than current market rate Irish people know does not reflect the actual supply / demand. hence the vacancy.

Again, the software industry in Dublin does not represent every employment sector in Ireland.

Once again, I'm in Limerick... The other poster is in Galway. I imagine there are plenty of other industries that face this issue... I'm inclined to say that you are prone to talking about something you have literally no knowledge on..

Nobelium wrote: »

and more snide anti Irish remarks, now who's racist ?

You're pretty fragile when it comes to sarcastic quips. Sarcasm is a very Irish thing, stop being so anti Irish!

Nobelium

batgoat wrote: »

Once again, I'm in Limerick... The other poster is in Galway. I imagine there are plenty of other industries that face this issue... I'm inclined to say that you are prone to talking about something you have literally no knowledge on..

Once again, you're trying to pretend certain industries in certain cities represent the entire employment sector in Ireland . . they don't.

Tell us, why do these jobs have to be in Limerick and Galway if there is no one there willing to do them, while other areas are crying out for employment ?

Nobelium

Nobelium wrote: »

No they get the rate Irish people know does not reflect the actual supply / demand. hence the vacancy.

Again, the software industry in Dublin does not represent every employment sector in Ireland.

You should ballpark know the salary range of a job you are applying for so you're completely wrong there.

I'm taking about Galway in my example btw. No idea why you keep mentioning Dublin.

Nobelium

RoboKlopp wrote: »

You should ballpark know the salary range of a job you are applying for so you're completely wrong there.

I'm taking about Galway in my example btw. No idea why you keep mentioning Dublin.

Once again, Irish people know the rate being offered does not reflect the realty of actual supply / demand. hence the vacancy.

Once again, you're trying to pretend certain industries in certain cities represent the entire employment sector in Ireland . . they don't.

Tell us, why do these jobs have to be in Limerick and Galway if there is no one there willing to do them, while other areas are crying out for employment ?

dxhound2005

Nobelium wrote: »

Once again, you're trying to pretend certain industries in certain cities represent the entire employment sector in Ireland . . they don't.

Tell us, why do these jobs have to be in Limerick and Galway if there is no one there willing to do them, while other areas are crying out for employment ?

There are vacancies in other places as well.

https://www.irishjobs.ie/Jobs/Donegal/

fin12

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Damn clever foreigners :pac:

I wouldn’t call it that, just don’t think it’s right that a foreign person is more educated about their entitlements than a person who’s born and raised here.

Nobelium

Nobelium wrote: »

and more snide anti Irish remarks, now who's racist ?

Saying clever foreigners is deemed racist now? People get offended very easily these days..

Strawman when an argument is ko'd..

Nobelium

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There are vacancies in other places as well.

https://www.irishjobs.ie/Jobs/Donegal/

Pramerica is a software company.
Once again, the software industry does not represent the entire employment sector in Ireland.
Donegal has a high unemployment rate, why not train up more local young people ?

dxhound2005

Nobelium wrote: »

Pramerica is a software company. Once again, the software industry does not represent the entire employment sector in Ireland

I saw a vacancy for a dietician in there as well.

fin12

fin12 wrote: »

I wouldn’t call it that, just don’t think it’s right that a foreign person is more educated about their entitlements than a person who’s born and raised here.

Are they though?

Can you produce facts to show it. I'm pretty certain you won't/can't.

dxhound2005

fin12 wrote: »

I wouldn’t call it that, just don’t think it’s right that a foreign person is more educated about their entitlements than a person who’s born and raised here.

We only have your word for it.

I always find it unbelievable how foreign people seem to know a lot more about what they are entitled to then an Irish person. I’m talking in regards of social welfare and tax credits.

How do you know so much about it?

Nobelium

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Saying clever foreigners is deemed racist now? People get offended very easily these days..

Strawman when an argument is ko'd..

Why do you think foreigners are clever compared to Irish people ?

Nobelium

Nobelium wrote: »

Once again, Irish people know the rate being offered does not reflect the realty of actual supply / demand. hence the vacancy.

Once again, you're trying to pretend certain industries in certain cities represent the entire employment sector in Ireland . . they don't.

Tell us, why do these jobs have to be in Limerick and Galway if there is no one there willing to do them, while other areas are crying out for employment ?

What areas in the country, and what sectors are you referring to?

fin12

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Are they though?

Can you produce facts to show it. I'm pretty certain you won't/can't.

I’m talking from my own personal experience and working life, They would educate u on what ur entitled to about , tax credits u never knew existed they know all about them.

Nobelium

RoboKlopp wrote: »

What areas in the country, and what sectors are you referring to?

Anywhere with in Ireland with a higher than average unemployment rate.

Nobelium

Nobelium wrote: »

Why do you think foreigners are clever compared to Irish people ?

Stupid Irish sarcasm, my bad

The Satanist

The Satanist wrote: »

This is Ireland, pal. We're more likely to increase their welfare than do something logical and sensible.

Im pretty certain that payments to long term unemployed people went up over the last budget, and I don't think recently unemployed people were entitled to it.

I know for sure that there is a financial benefit to being long term unemployed, because I read that here recently and was so skeptical I researched it, lo and behold it was true.

For their own sake, nobody should be allowed to remain unemployed over a period of months, during a time of full employment. If nothing else, it can't be good for your mind. I genuinely wonder whether a lot of them aren't clinically depressed.

dxhound2005

fin12 wrote: »

I’m talking from my own personal experience and working life, They would educate u on what ur entitled to about , tax credits u never knew existed they know all about them.

That is your personal experience. There are millions of other people you know nothing about.

fin12

dxhound2005 wrote: »

We only have your word for it.

I always find it unbelievable how foreign people seem to know a lot more about what they are entitled to then an Irish person. I’m talking in regards of social welfare and tax credits.

How do you know so much about it?

It’s not my word, it’s my opinion and what I believe.

fin12

fin12 wrote: »

I’m talking from my own personal experience and working life, They would educate u on what ur entitled to about , tax credits u never knew existed they know all about them.

Which means nothing. No offence.

Maybe the people you met just went to the hassle of finding out. You find plenty of Irish people that know exactly what their entitlements are too.

eagle eye

For Forks Sake wrote:

Upskilling the unemployed. Oh, the horror.

I've no issue with that but I do have an issue with hiding unemployment.
These people are still unemployed but they are not showing as that.

Nobelium

Nobelium wrote: »

Anywhere with in Ireland with a higher than average unemployment rate.

Where you are talking about? Name places.

Also name sectors

donkeykong5

fin12 wrote: »

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Are they though?

Can you produce facts to show it. I'm pretty certain you won't/can't.

I’m talking from my own personal experience and working life, They would educate u on what ur entitled to about , tax credits u never knew existed they know all about them.

Your post is so correct. They know all about Grant's for things I didnt even know existed. Classes I paid for my kids to be in. They have grants for.

dxhound2005

eagle eye wrote: »

I've no issue with that but I do have an issue with hiding unemployment.
These people are still unemployed but they are not showing as that.

Nothing hidden. The stats are published every month, and have been for years.

ShooterSF

fin12 wrote: »

I wouldn’t call it that, just don’t think it’s right that a foreign person is more educated about their entitlements than a person who’s born and raised here.

How is it "not right"? Assuming what you say is true its not their fault if Irish people are ignorant of their entitlements and if anything it should be a kick up the arse that someone who moved here and whose first language is probably not English knows more employment law than the natives.

fin12

ShooterSF wrote: »

How is it "not right"? Assuming what you say is true its not their fault if Irish people are ignorant of their entitlements and if anything it should be a kick up the arse that someone who moved here and whose first language is probably not English knows more employment law than the natives.

Well don’t you think we should be educated about this stuff when we are in secondary school. Most people pick up their first job in their teens so don’t understand how stuff as important as this is not taught in schools.

eagle eye

dxhound2005 wrote:

Nothing hidden. The stats are published every month, and have been for years.

Are those people in training courses showing as unemployed?

dxhound2005

fin12 wrote: »

Well don’t you think we should be educated about this stuff when we are in secondary school. Most people pick up their first job in their teens so don’t understand how stuff as important as this is not taught in schools.

Anyone can log into the Social Welfare site to see what is available. The schools have enough to be doing, without running classes about welfare.

ShooterSF

ShooterSF wrote: »

How is it "not right"? Assuming what you say is true its not their fault if Irish people are ignorant of their entitlements and if anything it should be a kick up the arse that someone who moved here and whose first language is probably not English knows more employment law than the natives.

How hard can it be to pick up a phone and ask what you are entitled to? Or browse the internet. It couldn't be easier. It's not rocket science.

fin12

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Anyone can log into the Social Welfare site to see what is available. The schools have enough to be doing, without running classes about welfare.

I’m also talking about tax but love how you left that out to suit ur own little agenda.

dxhound2005

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Anyone can log into the Social Welfare site to see what is available. The schools have enough to be doing, without running classes about welfare.

exactly

fin12

fin12 wrote: »

I’m also talking about tax but love how you left that out to suit ur own little agenda.

Go to the tax website. How does everyone else do it. One click of a mouse.

LillySV

only country in the world that pays more to be long term unemployed than short term unemployed. And fianna gail have stood over more reductions in entitlements to short term unemployed taxpayers since getting in while continuing if not increasing the entitlement s of the troublesome vocal long term unemployed who are entitled to everything without contributing to anything...absolute laugh....how dumb are the irish to continuously give such a huge vote to a clearly corrupt organization like fg.............

dxhound2005

fin12 wrote: »

I’m also talking about tax but love how you left that out to suit ur own little agenda.

Irish people can log into the Revenue site to find out about tax.

fin12

Did Mick Wallace get a seat cause if he did that just says it all.

fin12

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Irish people can log into the Revenue site to find out about tax.

You and your side kick are posting the same stuff lol.

dxhound2005

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Irish people can log into the Revenue site to find out about tax.

It's actually an excellent website too.