Dublin - Metrolink (Swords to Charlemont only)

bk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122494599#Comment_122494599

On the Motorways, I think you are talking about pre TII/NRA road building which was a disaster.

This was why the NRA was created, to fix this, they brought in fixed prices contracts with a firm deadlines and bonus for coming in ahead of the deadline and penalties for missing them and they also went out and contract with some of the biggest professional road building firms in mainland Europe, rather then John's cousin who has a JCB!

Almost all if not all of out intercity motorway network was built under this model by the NRA/TII and was a spectacular achievement.

It is a pretty silly point to say the original Luas lines and crosscity weren't built within a decade of one another! Crosscity wasn't part of the original contracted lines and was a later completely separate project.

Of course it was idiotic that crosscity wasn't part of the original Luas lines, but that was down to idiotic city center business owners and political interference that got it pulled from the project, not our ability to build it.

I mentioned Crosscity more because it is a great example of a project that was delivered on time and on budget taking 4 just 4 years for a relatively complicated project across the city.

What was the overrun on the DPT? Tender price €457M, final cost €752M. Who picked up the tab there?

Ahem…

"The tender price for the construction of the tunnel was €457 million. The final project cost was brought to €752 million by land acquisition, design, insurance, legal and other services, plus supervision by Brown & Root."

Basically different costs for different parts of the project.

Let’s not pat ourselves on the back when it’s undeserved. Weekends in cities as diverse as Sofia and Madrid would make you lose your mind.

I've travelled all over Europe, many incredible cities, but it most be remembered that we were basically broke until the 90's. We are suffering from decades if not centuries of infrastructure deficit.

The fact that we didn't have a intercity motorway until the 2000's is completely mad!

Madrid was at the heart of a world spanning empire that did absolutely horrendous things in South America, while extracting vast wealth which it could then pour into infrastructure in Madrid, etc.

We have a long way to catch up, but we certainly do have an excellent track record of building infrastructure once the money is available and the government/ABP can get out of their way.

MayoSalmon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122494445#Comment_122494445

We built an entire absolutely nothing ya lunatic.

Sam Russell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122495774#Comment_122495774

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Sierra Oscar

Irish Times have an article on the re-opening of the public consultations.

Interestingly it states that it is likely this new round of public consultations will be written submissions only and that oral hearings will not recommence.

If that is the case then at least we should be spared the relentless pontificating articles surrounding the project that usually follow the circus that accompanies the oral hearing process.

Public consultation on Dublin’s long-awaited MetroLink reopens – The Irish Times

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497763#Comment_122497763

Any Dates given for opening and closing?

Hopefully a speedy process, the box can be ticked and an RO granted ASAP

bennyineire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497818#Comment_122497818

Yes, go page 1 page on this forum

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122494599#Comment_122494599

The snails delayed the Kildare bypass I think.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/45m-bypass-plan-grinds-to-a-halt-over-rare-snail/26153397.html

Apparently, it later turned out they weren't so rare at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrickmines

It was Carrickmines Castle that delayed the M50. Again, there were no major archaeological discoveries at the site, and the castle site remains closed to the public.

Thunder87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497818#Comment_122497818

Running from next week until early October, so around 7-8 weeks

Seems the latest delay is down to TII's printer refusing to work overtime

There were, TII said, “logistics associated with printing this volume of material and the delivery of it to the locations concerned, and this accounts for the period of time that has elapsed since receipt of ABP’s [An Bord Pleanála’s] letter in July”.

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122497904#Comment_122497904

I mean the opening and closing of the new public consultation

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498620#Comment_122498620

Good Grief, there's something that should be banned by a planning reform, reams of paper destroying the world's forests for no reason whatsoever. Paper copies should be made available on request only and subject to a €50 printing feeper document.

Thunder87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498817#Comment_122498817

I worked in county council offices years ago and still remember the 'photocopier room' which was this tiny room with a single big lumbering beast of a printer that broke down every 5 minutes, every PC in the whole building was sending stuff to the same printer so you'd end up waiting an hour for a single page.

With this being a public service organization I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same inefficient mess here, somebody clicking print in early July and waiting 6 weeks for the printer to finally get through everything.

spacetweek

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122498620#Comment_122498620

Ha ha! That is the most Irish thing I’ve heard all year.

Sam Russell

What ever happened to the super printer they got in Kildare St that was too big for the building and cost millions of Euro?

Surely, that would do the job over the weekend.

PopePalpatine

It's gone to a farm up north with the e-voting machines.

Pete_Cavan

The printing of this material is certainly outsourced, there's no way TII are printing that stuff themselves.

KrisW1001

... and there is a fee if you want the documents on paper. Think it's something like €50.

JVince

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499419#Comment_122499419

Installed in 2019 and working since.

Great value considering that one politician from sinn fein used 434 inkjet cartridges in 12 months with a cost of of €50,000.

I made the suggestion years ago that two rail services should serve the airport. Dart spur linking at portmarnock and metro stop on a swords to charlemont line.

Citizen Six

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122499920#Comment_122499920

Do you get all the docs for that price? Sounds like a bargain.