mark of the beast

King Mob

oriel36 wrote: »

The etymology of the term 'magic' goes back to magus or the magi - people who could predict astronomical events thereby they had status in society -

https://www.etymonline.com/word/magi


waffle waffle waffle....

But magic isn't real guys.

Not sure why this needs to be explained to adults...

oriel36

King Mob wrote: »

But magic isn't real guys.

Not sure why this needs to be explained to adults...

Anyone who can make a prediction out of interpretation of observations will look like magicians/ prophets as in the old sense of the word.

Don't tell me you are afraid of a graphic of the solar system and present time lapse taken from a satellite tracking with the Earth's orbital motion ?.

https://www.theplanetstoday.com/

https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

Scroll the dates forward and you will see Mercury about to overtake the slower moving Earth with the central/stationary Sun orchestrating our orbital motions.

It is all new so take your time, after all, many here have been poisoned by the observations-experiments-predictions dummies since the late 17th century.

King Mob

oriel36 wrote: »

Anyone who can make a prediction out of interpretation of observations will look like magicians/ prophets as in the old sense of the word.

Uh huh?

Magic isn't real though.

Supernatural prophesies aren't real.

There's no such thing as the mark of the beast.

Fairies don't live in the forest.

There is no Santa Claus.

Again, these are things we learn as adults.

oriel36

King Mob wrote: »

Uh huh?

Magic isn't real though.

That is why you are fine as you are caught up in words without knowing the meaning such as prophesy, predictions, magicians/magus and so on.

The notion of supernatural is recent and serves those who lack inspiration/spirituality therefore you fall for a trap that people with wider perspectives rarely do.

Inspiration is real and a human entitlement for those willing to set aside the indoctrination which attempted to remove observations-interpretation-predictions as a balanced human view.

I am done here.

one world order

We exist in this world in the physical body flesh and spiritual soul. So yes the supernatural is very real.

King Mob

oriel36 wrote: »

That is why you are fine as you are caught up in words without knowing the meaning such as prophesy, predictions, magicians/magus and so on.

The notion of supernatural is recent and serves those who lack inspiration/spirituality therefore you fall for a trap that people with wider perspectives rarely do.

Inspiration is real and a human entitlement for those willing to set aside the indoctrination which attempted to remove observations-interpretation-predictions as a balanced human view.

I am done here.

Lol, yes. You've proven whatever point you were waffling about. Good job.

You guys are kinda killing any credibility this topic might have had.

oriel36

King Mob wrote: »

Lol, yes. You've proven whatever point you were waffling about. Good job.

You guys are kinda killing any credibility this topic might have had.

A mediocre life is the worst kind of life and part of it is chosen and part you inherited from your schooldays where the icons told you experiments-predictions displace the more balanced observation-interpretations-predictions for a creative/productive life.

You should try your hand at interpreting the time lapse footage of the Earth moving around the Sun where the stars change position from left to right of the central Sun due to the orbital motion of the Earth -

https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

https://www.theplanetstoday.com/

Within a few weeks, the planet Mercury will be seen moving between the stationary Sun and slower moving Earth and that is a prediction you won't hear anywhere else.

That is what it means to be a true prophet, magician or astronomer.

one world order

Also will point out the best magicians in history had what you would call in the industry as black magic i.e. a demon spirit giving them power to perform tricks that are not humanly possible to anyone else. But in return that demon owns the magicians soul when they die.

King Mob

oriel36 wrote: »

A mediocre life is the worst kind of life and part of it is chosen

waffle waffle waffle.

I'm sure believing what you believe makes you feel very special.
Even if it isn't true.

King Mob

one world order wrote: »

Also will point out the best magicians in history had what you would call in the industry as black magic i.e. a demon spirit giving them power to perform tricks that are not humanly possible to anyone else. But in return that demon owns the magicians soul when they die.

Lol

This is just getting better and better.

Which tricks pray tell?

Like this?:

oriel36

King Mob wrote: »

I'm sure believing what you believe makes you feel very special.
Even if it isn't true.

I'm outta here, mediocrity is always an unpleasant experience.

Ipso

oriel36 wrote: »

A mediocre life is the worst kind of life and part of it is chosen and part you inherited from your schooldays where the icons told you experiments-predictions displace the more balanced observation-interpretations-predictions for a creative/productive life.

You should try your hand at interpreting the time lapse footage of the Earth moving around the Sun where the stars change position from left to right of the central Sun due to the orbital motion of the Earth -

https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

https://www.theplanetstoday.com/

Within a few weeks, the planet Mercury will be seen moving between the stationary Sun and slower moving Earth and that is a prediction you won't hear anywhere else.

That is what it means to be a true prophet, magician or astronomer.

With the what now?

King Mob

oriel36 wrote: »

I'm outta here, mediocrity is always an unpleasant experience.

Oh no. A person who believes magic is real thinks I'm mediocre.

How shall I survive this...?

Dohnjoe

oriel36 wrote: »

A mediocre life is the worst kind of life and part of it is chosen and part you inherited from your schooldays where the icons told you experiments-predictions displace the more balanced observation-interpretations-predictions for a creative/productive life.

You should try your hand at interpreting the time lapse footage of the Earth moving around the Sun where the stars change position from left to right of the central Sun due to the orbital motion of the Earth -

https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

https://www.theplanetstoday.com/

Within a few weeks, the planet Mercury will be seen moving between the stationary Sun and slower moving Earth and that is a prediction you won't hear anywhere else.

That is what it means to be a true prophet, magician or astronomer.

Astronomy is nothing to do with "magic" or "prophecy".

In relation to this subject, some people believe the "mark of the beast" passage is a prophecy or a warning from the bible about modern technology

It's a line in a book written by someone, it doesn't refer to anything 2k years in the future, because obviously we all lack the supernatural ability to "see" into the future.

one world order

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Astronomy is nothing to do with "magic" or "prophecy".

In relation to this subject, some people believes the "mark of the beast" passage is a prophecy or a warning from the bible about modern technology

It's obviously just a line in a book written by someone, it doesn't refer to anything 2k years in the future, because we all lack the supernatural ability to "see" into the future.

Unless the holy spirit gives someone a glimpse of the future like in the book of revelation.

Dohnjoe

one world order wrote: »

Unless the holy spirit gives someone a glimpse of the future like in the book of revelation.

There have been several thousand deities, spirits, gods, whatever. Human beings have a tendency to fabricate them in order to address complex questions and issues

If people want to believe in these things, that's fine, but believing in something doesn't mean it exists. If it did, then Santa Claus would exist.

Keeping that in mind, claiming X spirit did Y is meaningless in any logical sense if it can't be supported or demonstrated properly

one world order

Dohnjoe wrote: »

There have been several thousand deities, spirits, gods, whatever. Human beings have a tendency to fabricate them in order to address complex questions and issues

If people want to believe in these things, that's fine, but believing in something doesn't mean it exists. If it did, then Santa Claus would exist.

Keeping that in mind, claiming X spirit did Y is meaningless in any logical sense if it can't be supported or demonstrated properly

Big difference between Santa Claus and Jesus Christ. Even in today's world people still have the power to cast out demons in his name.

King Mob

one world order wrote: »

Big difference between Santa Claus and Jesus Christ. Even in today's world people still have the power to cast out demons in his name.

These being the demons who inhabit magicians to allow them to pull rabbits out of hats etc etc. ?

Demons don't exist either I'm afraid.

pearcider

pearcider wrote: »

Unsurprisingly they moved it as the mods in here are just a part of the same big tech nexus that dominates discussion on the internet such as twitter and YouTube. They will routinely delete demonetise and shadow ban conservative and Christian views and promote left wing orthodoxy, atheistic and techno cratic world views and other new age religions and cults.

It's neither a conservative or Christian viewpoint that pushes this mark of the beast stuff. It's conspiracy theories. Eg basically every US president for the twenty years has been assumed to be the antichrist.

one world order wrote: »

Big difference between Santa Claus and Jesus Christ. Even in today's world people still have the power to cast out demons in his name.

As in exorcisms? That's psychological abuse that has resulted in the death of plenty of people. Schizophrenia, bipolar etc and other explicable conditions have been treated as possession by exorcists. So no, it has not been used to cast out any demon.

Dohnjoe

one world order wrote: »

Big difference between Santa Claus and Jesus Christ.

True, Jesus Christ actually existed. But keep in mind he was a normal person, he didn't have X-Men like powers, that's all a figment of someone's imagination, like demons, and the "holy spirit", and Santa Claus

If someone is referring to a passage in the bible, like the "mark of the beast" one, it refers to whomever came up with that line at the moment, or however many translations of it there have been. At no point did it ever refer to future technology that no one knew about.

pearcider

King Mob wrote: »

It's relevant and I keep bringing it up because people used to claim that barcodes were the mark of the beast and a sign that the end times were coming.
Your belief is exactly the same, just with different technology.

You can't seem to explain why your belief is superior or substantially different, so bringing up barcodes is an effective way to highlight the silliness of claiming things about the mark of the beast.


Sure. And your belief in the mark of the beast is not shared by millions. It's a fringe belief not shared by many people at all.


But it's not my opinion, it's a fact.
There's no such thing as supernatural prophesies. Much like how there's no such thing as fairies or magic.
These are things that only exist in fantasy.

It’s just your opinion actually. You have no idea if life is in fact a battle between good and evil or is just a meaningless cosmic coincidence. You have no idea why you are here, why life exists or if there is a God. You are ignorant of many things so you can in no way dismiss the Bible or the people that believe.

Furthermore to my point and which you continue to ignore, the prophecy in the book of revelation regarding the mark of the beast could in no way have existed until the last ten years. Now human societies can implement the mark quite easily whereas in the preceding 1900 years we could not.

Further prophecies that indicate we are at the end of the age include the reformation of Israel in 1948 (Third Temple) and the existence of television (Revelation 11.9).

one world order

Dohnjoe wrote: »

True, Jesus Christ actually existed. But keep in mind he was a normal person, he didn't have X-Men like powers, that's all a figment of someone's imagination, like demons, and the "holy spirit", and Santa Claus

If someone is referring to a passage in the bible, like the "mark of the beast" one, it refers to whomever came up with that line at the moment, or however many translations of it there have been. At no point did it ever refer to future technology that no one knew about.

He had the ability to cure the sick, feed thousands, casted out demons and defied death through the resurrection, thereby showing there is life after death.

oriel36

Mediocrity is reactions, slogans, stock phrases and generally the inability to be considerate whether Christian or non-Christian.

So the Book of Revelation maintains it's silence in those who are sullen and that is the way it always will be.

pearcider

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's neither a conservative or Christian viewpoint that pushes this mark of the beast stuff. It's conspiracy theories. Eg basically every US president for the twenty years has been assumed to be the antichrist.




As in exorcisms? That's psychological abuse that has resulted in the death of plenty of people. Schizophrenia, bipolar etc and other explicable conditions have been treated as possession by exorcists. So no, it has not been used to cast out any demon.

The Book of Revelation is canon. If you are a Christian then you believe that Jesus will come to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. Furthermore you believe in Satan and that his empire upon a Earth will be destroyed. Jesus said you will know neither the day nor the hour but you will know the season. Witnessing the great falling away from the Faith in the past generation is clear evidence amongst many other signs that we approach the end of the age.

pearcider

Dohnjoe wrote: »

True, Jesus Christ actually existed. But keep in mind he was a normal person, he didn't have X-Men like powers, that's all a figment of someone's imagination, like demons, and the "holy spirit", and Santa Claus

If someone is referring to a passage in the bible, like the "mark of the beast" one, it refers to whomever came up with that line at the moment, or however many translations of it there have been. At no point did it ever refer to future technology that no one knew about.

It states quite clearly in the Bible he had supernatural powers and thousands followed him around to be healed. I would respect you more if you didn’t believe in his existence at all. At least then you would be consistent that the gospels are lies or Roman propaganda.

pearcider

oriel36 wrote: »

Mediocrity is reactions, slogans, stock phrases and generally the inability to be considerate whether Christian or non-Christian.

So the Book of Revelation maintains it's silence in those who are sullen and that is the way it always will be.

The funny thing is the entire western world and it’s philosophy is built on The foundation of Christianity but these scoffers deny what is in their face and indeed in their mind. It is Christianity that has led to the development of the human race and science itself. These atheists wouldn't believe how cruel and heartless the world was before Jesus and the followers of Christ like Paul began to slowly change it. The Renaissance and the scientific revolution began in countries that were devoutly Christian not in pagan China or in the Ottoman Empire. But these atheists would cut off their own nose to spite their face.

pearcider

pearcider wrote: »

The Book of Revelation is canon. If you are a Christian then you believe that Jesus will come to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. Furthermore you believe in Satan and that his empire upon a Earth will be destroyed. Jesus said you will know neither the day nor the hour but you will know the season. Witnessing the great falling away from the Faith in the past generation is clear evidence amongst many other signs that we approach the end of the age.

You should be able to reference the Pope stating that the end days are coming and that Bill Gates is giving out the mark of the beast. Or any other major Christian faith stating as such...

pearcider

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You should be able to reference the Pope stating that the end days are coming and that Bill Gates is giving out the mark of the beast. Or any other major Christian faith stating as such...

I follow Jesus as recorded in the Bible not necessarily the Pope. The church was corrupted long ago. Read up on the vision of Pope Leo 13th.

pearcider

pearcider wrote: »

I follow Jesus as recorded in the Bible not necessarily the Pope. The church was corrupted long ago. Read up on the vision of Pope Leo 13th.

Okay, so what you're saying is your view is a fringe view for Christians..... And can legitimately be viewed as a conspiracy theory and the majority of Christians would even view it as such.

one world order

pearcider wrote: »

The funny thing is the entire western world and it’s philosophy is built on The foundation of Christianity but these scoffers deny what is in their face and indeed in their mind. It is Christianity that has led to the development of the human race and science itself. These atheists wouldn't believe how cruel and heartless the world was before Jesus and the followers of Christ like Paul began to slowly change it. The Renaissance and the scientific revolution began in countries that were devoutly Christian not in pagan China or in the Ottoman Empire. But these atheists would cut off their own nose to spite their face.

A lot of it is to do with deception as well. The few that control this world at the very top pledge their allegiance to lucifer and by having control over the financial system, global media, film and music industries, are all very powerful weapons to lead people astray.