Have we reach peak LGBT nonsense?

Lefty Bicek

Folau is not homophobic.

His God is though.

Ban that.

salmocab

eagle eye wrote: »

See the thing is that there are many religious people out there who believe in the Bible and believe that if you have sex with the same gender that you are sinning.
If somebody critics their beliefs and calls them homophobic they don't lose their jobs over it.
It's one-sided, the religious are now where the gay people were 25 years ago.
It was wrong then and it's wrong now too.

It’s not the same thing at all, they can have the belief but aren’t free from the ridicule it may bring, especially if they voice it in the way Folau did. The gay community 25 years ago weren’t telling straight or religious people how they felt they should they should be living their lives.

Lefty Bicek

salmocab wrote: »

It’s not the same thing at all, they can have the belief but aren’t free from the ridicule it may bring, especially if they voice it in the way Folau did. The gay community 25 years ago weren’t telling straight or religious people how they felt they should they should be living their lives.

Why not just ridicule the belief then ?

Taking a person's earning power away is way over the top.

There being no such thing as hell, anyone offended by those ridiculous remarks of his, is a mental weakling.

smacl

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Why not just ridicule the belief then ?

Taking a person's earning power away is way over the top.

There being no such thing as hell, anyone offended by those ridiculous remarks of his, is a mental weakling.

He took away his own earning power. He was warned that his rants were unacceptable left him in breach on contract and he would be fired if he did it again. He persisted. He was fired. Employment is neither a right nor a privilege, it is a contractual agreement between employer and employee.

If there's no such thing as hell, there's obviously no such thing as god either, yet blasphemy was actually illegal in this country until just last year. Seems to be a lot of 'mental weaklings' knocking around the place. :rolleyes:

salmocab

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Why not just ridicule the belief then ?

Taking a person's earning power away is way over the top.

There being no such thing as hell, anyone offended by those ridiculous remarks of his, is a mental weakling.

People are free to ridicule whoever they want just like he’s free to spout whatever he wants. The people who are ridiculing him aren’t the same people that sacked him, he did something that wasn’t in keeping with his employers ethos and had been warned about it before. Plenty of people work under these kinds of conditions especially people in large well known companies.

Lefty Bicek

smacl wrote: »

He took away his own earning power. He was warned that his rants were unacceptable left him in breach on contract and he would be fired if he did it again. He persisted. He was fired. Employment is neither a right nor a privilege, it is a contractual agreement between employer and employee.

We know all that. We've heard that smug banality a hundred times already.

If there's no such thing as hell, there's obviously no such thing as god either, yet blasphemy was actually illegal in this country until just last year. Seems to be a lot of 'mental weaklings' knocking around the place. :rolleyes:

Indeed, I have noticed.

Nobody took much notice of that legislation though.

Which only goes to show that you can have anything you want in writing, but very often the only reason it is enforced may well be expediency, rather than principle.

eagle eye

salmocab wrote:

It’s not the same thing at all, they can have the belief but aren’t free from the ridicule it may bring, especially if they voice it in the way Folau did. The gay community 25 years ago weren’t telling straight or religious people how they felt they should they should be living their lives.

Gay people were afraid to admit it 25 years ago. Now the LGBT have anyone who doesn't agree with them afraid to admit it in case they'd lose their jobs.

salmocab

eagle eye wrote: »

Gay people were afraid to admit it 25 years ago. Now the LGBT have anyone who doesn't agree with them afraid to admit it in case they'd lose their jobs.

Ah look there is a world of difference between hiding you were gay 25 years ago and not putting on Twitter that gays should repent or go to hell. Your comparing being gay 25 years ago with what Folau did not with being religious which is actually what you should be comparing it with and religious people are still free to practice and I doubt many get shouted at or abused on their way to mass like gays did years ago on their way to a gay club.

eagle eye

Many are afraid they'll lose their jobs now if they air their opinions, that's not right.

And just to make it clear before some idiot jumps in and says I'm religious, I'm not and I'm not anti gay either. I completely disagree with Folau's opinion.

Bannasidhe

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Folau is not homophobic.

His God is though.

Ban that.

And yet many many people worship the same god and are not homophobic.

Perhaps Folau is using god to try and justify his own homophobia.

salmocab

eagle eye wrote: »

Many are afraid they'll lose their jobs now if they air their opinions, that's not right.

And just to make it clear before some idiot jumps in and says I'm religious, I'm not and I'm not anti gay either. I completely disagree with Folau's opinion.

Well it depends what’s meant by air their opinions, I can’t imagine anyone is really likely to lose their job if it came out they were religious however if they started telling people how to live their lives and had their company risk losing income then that would be a different matter. Folau didn’t lose his job because he was religious that was already well known he lost it because he did something that damaged his employers brand.

Bannasidhe

smacl wrote: »

He took away his own earning power. He was warned that his rants were unacceptable left him in breach on contract and he would be fired if he did it again. He persisted. He was fired. Employment is neither a right nor a privilege, it is a contractual agreement between employer and employee.

If there's no such thing as hell, there's obviously no such thing as god either, yet blasphemy was actually illegal in this country until just last year. Seems to be a lot of 'mental weaklings' knocking around the place. :rolleyes:

Sure he still has a considerable property portfolio to help him keep the wolf from the door, not to mention getting other people to pay his legal fees.

Bannasidhe

eagle eye wrote: »

Gay people were afraid to admit it 25 years ago. Now the LGBT have anyone who doesn't agree with them afraid to admit it in case they'd lose their jobs.

I came out when I was 17.
In Ireland.
That was considerably more than 25 years ago and I was far from the only gay in the village.
The first Pride march in Dublin was held in 1983.
Also more than 25 years ago.

And the LGBT ('the' - what's that about then?) as you call us didn't sack Falou. Australian Rugby did.

But you'll have to forgive me if I feel no sympathy for bigots being afraid to spew their bile. They had centuries where they got away with it. And in many parts of the world still are getting away with it.

Lefty Bicek

Bannasidhe wrote: »

And yet many many people worship the same god and are not homophobic.

Perhaps Folau is using god to try and justify his own homophobia.

All becoming very Jesuitical, indeed.

On your first point - which only goes to show that god can not be held responsible for anything, and should be made redundant.

On your second point - perhaps. Or just misguided theological principle. OR a mixture of both.

One would perhaps have to be predisposed to find homophobia everywhere to think as crudely as your statement suggests, about something we can never know for certain.

Out of the crooked timber of humanity no straight thing was ever made.

- Immanuel Kant

Bannasidhe

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

One would perhaps have to be predisposed to find homophobia everywhere to think as crudely as your statement suggests, about something we can never know for certain.

Gee - I do love it when people say maybe you imagined it. Even when they try and intellectual it all up by using words like 'predisposed' and decanting Kant.

I'm watching a Liam Neeson film at the moment. Haven't seen any homophobia in it because there is none there.
Earlier I was watching a TV programme about repairing antiques -again, not a hint of homophobia.

Last weekend I watched a few rugby matches - guess what, no homophobia.

If I'm predisposed to see it where it isn't I'm frankly doing a crap job.

eagle eye

salmocab wrote:

Well it depends what’s meant by air their opinions, I can’t imagine anyone is really likely to lose their job if it came out they were religious however if they started telling people how to live their lives and had their company risk losing income then that would be a different matter. Folau didn’t lose his job because he was religious that was already well known he lost it because he did something that damaged his employers brand.

If they admitted at work that they believe that actively sexual gay people are sinners do you think they'd face sanction?
It'd be wrong if they did.

Lefty Bicek

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Gee - I do love it when people say maybe you imagined it. Even when they try and intellectual it all up by using words like 'predisposed' and decanting Kant.

I'm watching a Liam Neeson film at the moment. Haven't seen any homophobia in it because there is none there.
Earlier I was watching a TV programme about repairing antiques -again, not a hint of homophobia.

Last weekend I watched a few rugby matches - guess what, no homophobia.

If I'm predisposed to see it where it isn't I'm frankly doing a crap job.

I didn't say you imagined it.

I do say that your previous comment -

Perhaps Folau is using god to try and justify his own homophobia.

...is impossible for you to know for certain, because it may be the result of misguided religious belief rather than inherent homophobia.

Still, that was the card you played.

Bannasidhe

eagle eye wrote: »

If they admitted at work that they believe that actively sexual gay people are sinners do you think they'd face sanction?
It'd be wrong if they did.

As already stated there are some works places where their boss would agree with them. In those workplaces coming out as gay could get you sacked - do you think that's ok?

People face sanction for breaking the terms of their contract of employment. If you sign the contract and break it then it's 'fair' if you are sanctioned for it. Even if that contract says 'you have to be heterosexual'.

Lefty Bicek

Bannasidhe wrote: »

As already stated there are some works places where their boss would agree with them. In those workplaces coming out as gay could get you sacked - do you think that's ok?

People face sanction for breaking the terms of their contract of employment. If you sign the contract and break it then it's 'fair' if you are sanctioned for it. Even if that contract says 'you have to be heterosexual'.

WHERE is that happening ?

salmocab

eagle eye wrote: »

If they admitted at work that they believe that actively sexual gay people are sinners do you think they'd face sanction?
It'd be wrong if they did.

Well you see here’s the rub if they were asked in conversation then no they likely wouldn’t but if they did it in a way that damaged their employer then they possibly would. There’s a difference between admitting something and preaching it.

salmocab

Bannasidhe wrote: »

As already stated there are some works places where their boss would agree with them. In those workplaces coming out as gay could get you sacked - do you think that's ok?

People face sanction for breaking the terms of their contract of employment. If you sign the contract and break it then it's 'fair' if you are sanctioned for it. Even if that contract says 'you have to be heterosexual'.

Well that last bits not true as that couldn’t be in a contract that you had to be heterosexual.

eagle eye

Bannasidhe wrote:

As already stated there are some works places where their boss would agree with them. In those workplaces coming out as gay could get you sacked - do you think that's ok?

No I don't think it's OK either way.

Bannasidhe wrote:

People face sanction for breaking the terms of their contract of employment. If you sign the contract and break it then it's 'fair' if you are sanctioned for it. Even if that contract says 'you have to be heterosexual'.

I think is should be illegal to put any of that stuff in a contract.

Bannasidhe

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

I didn't say you imagined it.

I do say that your previous comment -

...is impossible for you to know for certain, because it may be the result of misguided religious belief rather than inherent homophobia.

Still, that was the card you played.

The card I played was the "predisposed to find homophobia everywhere" card you dealt.

Falou tweeted, among other gems, “God’s plan for gay people was hell” - Rugby Australian were predisposed to see that as homophobia because:

“Israel has failed to understand that the expectation of him as a Rugby Australia and NSW Waratahs employee is that he cannot share material on social media that condemns, vilifies or discriminates against people on the basis of their sexuality.”

If it "condemns, vilifies or discriminates against people on the basis of their sexuality" it's wrong.
If the people being targeted are LGB it's homophobia. If they are straight it's heterophobia - and yes, that happens just not very often. It's still wrong.

Bannasidhe

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

WHERE is that happening ?

You want to know where there are workplaces that don't approve of homosexuality?

Mark Hamill

antiskeptic wrote: »

It's really hard to know where to start with this kind of thinking. Atheists generally have a good grasp of logic and evidence but this is really bad logic you've got going there.

The "therefore" doesn't follow..

I criticize Folau's critics not because I agree with Folau, but because I disagree with cramping free speech which I don't think is hate speech. A slightly larger issue than what Folau might say.

I'm sure I said I thought Folau was blunt, imprecise, and dodgy in his theology elsewhere.

But the criticism concerns the larger issue: LGBT gone mad.

And I stand by that split. Him the minnow for criticism vs. media/corporate/political environs in hock to aggressive LGBT agenda. Hence the focus not on minnows.

Oh so now it is because you disgree with people cramping on free speech? Because in every single post of yours on this subject, right up to this one, it was only because you disagreed that god need punish according to Folau's critics moral whims (and their whims only, not his). Here is a selection from your ~dozen posts over the last 3 days up to this point:

antiskeptic wrote: »

Presumably if Israel had chosen his remarks in the wake of Jeffery Epsteins suicide or some such, there wouldn't be a whimper.

Wrath no problem, so long as man the decision maker on where and when it ought be applied.

antiskeptic wrote: »

I thought it clear as crystal: people wouldn't get their knickers in a twist if the wrath supposedly being visited upon a person matched their particular view on who it was that deserved that wrath

God raining down wrath on paedophiles would be fine. God raining down wrath on the (in their view) innocent not.

antiskeptic wrote: »

Would folk have hopped up and down in a rage had Folau said God's wrath was upon Epstein?

If you answer "No" then you're half way to understanding what I wrote.

antiskeptic wrote: »

The implication of what I said was that people where picky and choosy when it comes to when and where God's wrath (a wrath they don't actually believe in) might be considered appropriate to apply.

You haven't once mentioned "free speech" up to now, so who do you think you are fooling with this?

Bannasidhe

Bannasidhe wrote: »

As already stated there are some works places where their boss would agree with them. In those workplaces coming out as gay could get you sacked - do you think that's ok?

People face sanction for breaking the terms of their contract of employment. If you sign the contract and break it then it's 'fair' if you are sanctioned for it. Even if that contract says 'you have to be heterosexual'.

Ah come off it. That's a load of nonsense. :rolleyes:

Bannasidhe

salmocab wrote: »

Well that last bits not true as that couldn’t be in a contract that you had to be heterosexual.

As this thread is about events in Australia it's fair we can cast the are people obliged to be straight in some jobs net wide - now we won't go to some Sharia Law laden Muslim country, we'll go to the home of Stonewall and the Civil Rights Movement.

As expected, Donald Trump’s administration has filed a brief with the Supreme Court urging the justices to rule that it’s legal to fire workers because of their sexual orientation.

https://www.advocate.com/politics/2019/8/23/trump-admin-supreme-court-allow-gay-people-be-fired

WASHINGTON—The Supreme Court spent two tense hours on Tuesday weighing whether the nation’s bedrock civil-rights law forbids employers from discriminating against gay or transgender employees.

The issues arrived in separate cases, but they boiled down to the same question: Does the Civil Rights Act of 1964, whose Title VII outlaws workplace discrimination based on sex, nevertheless permit employers to fire individuals because they are gay or transgender?

...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/justices-spar-over-gay-employee-cases-11570553420

She was unexpectedly called into a meeting with school administrators.

“They told me that someone called the school with allegations against me and said I was in a relationship with another woman, that I attend pride events and that I host ‘homosexual’ activities at the studio,” Toro Lisciandro told NBC News. “.......“Covenant Christian School also requires that all employees must agree to and model our position on human sexuality, which is based on the biblical teaching that asks all Christ followers to abstain from any sexual activities outside of a one-man, one-woman marriage,” the school wrote in an email. “Teachers are asked to believe, model and instruct students in all matters of faith, including its doctrines.”

Toro Lisciandro said that while she had worked at the school for nearly three years, she was never explicitly told about a rule regarding the sexuality of staff members. She identifies as Christian and thinks it's harmful to insinuate that being gay is the antithesis of religious faith.

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/it-was-traumatic-after-being-outed-lesbian-teacher-fired-christian-n1072826

Used to happen here too.

Thursday, August 08, 2019 - 05:47 PM
The Garda Commissioner has written to a former garda confirming that he was kicked out of the force in the 1980s because he was suspected of being gay.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/former-garda-sacked-in-1982-for-being-gay-garda-commissioner-confirms-942726.html

In fact the fear is still there

“Teachers who teach in religious schools are told, ‘well you know if you want to continue working here in this school or if you want to get a job in the local area you can’t be ‘out’ - get back into the closet’. That’s shocking in 2018.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/teachers-fear-consequences-of-coming-out-as-gay-1.3542812

salmocab

Bannasidhe wrote: »

As this thread is about events in Australia it's fair we can cast the are people obliged to be straight in some jobs net wide - now we won't go to some Sharia Law laden Muslim country, we'll go to the home of Stonewall and the Civil Rights Movement.

https://www.advocate.com/politics/2019/8/23/trump-admin-supreme-court-allow-gay-people-be-fired



https://www.wsj.com/articles/justices-spar-over-gay-employee-cases-11570553420



https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/it-was-traumatic-after-being-outed-lesbian-teacher-fired-christian-n1072826

Used to happen here too.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/former-garda-sacked-in-1982-for-being-gay-garda-commissioner-confirms-942726.html

In fact the fear is still there

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/teachers-fear-consequences-of-coming-out-as-gay-1.3542812

Well fair enough in a world wide context but neither here or in Australia would it be allowed to have it in an employment contract.

Bannasidhe

salmocab wrote: »

Well fair enough in a world wide context but neither here or in Australia would it be allowed to have it in an employment contract.

You sure about that?

Australian politicians are doubling down on a law that allows religious schools, which receive government funding, to discriminate against gay teachers and students.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/18/world/australia/gay-schools-teachers-religion.html

Australia's workplace laws make it illegal for employers to discriminate against employees for reasons like sex, marital status, political opinion or sexual orientation, with discrimination including actions like firing the employee, denying them their legal entitlements, changing their job to a disadvantage or treating them differently. However there's one big 'but' under these protections.

"It's not discrimination if the actions are taken against an employee of a religious institution to avoid harming the organisation's religious beliefs," the page clarifies, opening up a big loophole for a number of religiously affiliated workplaces who don't want to employ certain kinds of people.

https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2018/10/is-it-legal-to-fire-someone-for-being-gay/

A gay teacher in a Catholic school has hidden her identity in a video for a wedding competition as her sexual orientation may cost her her job.

The video, entitled ‘Caoimhe and Pixel’, is one of five finalists for Newstalk’s social media competition to win the ultimate wedding. Open to couples of all kinds, Newstalk will cover the costs of the catering, flowers, photographer, and band for the winning entry.

However, one entry has hit the headlines after one half of a lesbian couple has had to pixelate her face over fears it may cost her job.Posting their entry on YouTube, the couple, who have been together for eight years, explained why one of them had to hide their identity.

“Why the pixelated face? Pixel is a teacher in a Catholic school, and as such is subject to Section 37 of the Equality Employment Act. This states that any employee of an institution may be dismissed from their job for not upholding the ethos of that institution.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/gay-teacher-forced-to-hide-her-identity-for-fear-of-losing-job-312137.html

Section 37 was finally repealed in 2015. Up until then Gay teachers in State funded schools that were under the patronage Religious could be fired for being Gay. And hose schools number over 90% of all schools in Ireland.

salmocab

Bannasidhe wrote: »

You sure about that?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/18/world/australia/gay-schools-teachers-religion.html

https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2018/10/is-it-legal-to-fire-someone-for-being-gay/

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/gay-teacher-forced-to-hide-her-identity-for-fear-of-losing-job-312137.html

Section 37 was finally repealed in 2015. Up until then Gay teachers in State funded schools that were under the patronage Religious could be fired for being Gay. And hose schools number over 90% of all schools in Ireland.

So in limited circumstances in most of Australia it’s possible and it’s now illegal in Ireland. I stand a bit corrected so

Lefty Bicek

Bannasidhe wrote: »

You want to know where there are workplaces that don't approve of homosexuality?

Nope. Not asking you about 'approval'.

You said -

In those workplaces coming out as gay could get you sacked

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111886963&postcount=1469

Name the workplaces you're referring to.

No more dissembling, please.

Bannasidhe

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Nope. Not asking you about 'approval'.

You said -

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111886963&postcount=1469

Name the workplaces you're referring to.

No more dissembling, please.

Do try and keep up.

I have already provided links to people who were fired for being gay.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

As this thread is about events in Australia it's fair we can cast the are people obliged to be straight in some jobs net wide - now we won't go to some Sharia Law laden Muslim country, we'll go to the home of Stonewall and the Civil Rights Movement.

https://www.advocate.com/politics/2019/8/23/trump-admin-supreme-court-allow-gay-people-be-fired



https://www.wsj.com/articles/justices-spar-over-gay-employee-cases-11570553420



https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/it-was-traumatic-after-being-outed-lesbian-teacher-fired-christian-n1072826

Used to happen here too.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/former-garda-sacked-in-1982-for-being-gay-garda-commissioner-confirms-942726.html

In fact the fear is still there

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/teachers-fear-consequences-of-coming-out-as-gay-1.3542812

Bannasidhe wrote: »

You sure about that?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/18/world/australia/gay-schools-teachers-religion.html

https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2018/10/is-it-legal-to-fire-someone-for-being-gay/

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/gay-teacher-forced-to-hide-her-identity-for-fear-of-losing-job-312137.html

Section 37 was finally repealed in 2015. Up until then Gay teachers in State funded schools that were under the patronage Religious could be fired for being Gay. And hose schools number over 90% of all schools in Ireland.

I would also imagine Asher's Bakery would not wish to hire an openly homosexual employee.

Lefty Bicek

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I have already provided links to people who were fired for being gay.

The past, we can't do anything about.. Australia, the US, and the rotten statelet above us - ditto. So wasn't asking about any of that.

Your link re the current situation in Ireland is about feared consequences for teachers - bias, and discrimination at work.

But no way would this society in 2019 tolerate a person being sacked for their orientation.

We know that institutions and organisations can work in other nasty ways to pressurise staff they want to be rid of. That's not an experience specific to gay people though.

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Hungary decided it's had enough of it anyway, and has (unofically) 'withdrawn' from the Eurovision 2020 sing-song show.
Citing it as being 'too gay'. It is a bit gay in fairness, maybe moreso since the chap in the dress took to the stage.

Ah well can't say they'll be missed (musically).

Bannasidhe

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

The past, we can't do anything about.. Australia, the US, and the rotten statelet above us - ditto. So wasn't asking about any of that.

Your link re the current situation in Ireland is about feared consequences for teachers - bias, and discrimination at work.

But no way would this society in 2019 tolerate a person being sacked for their orientation.

We know that institutions and organisations can work in other nasty ways to pressurise staff they want to be rid of. That's not an experience specific to gay people though.

In case it you have missed it this thread is about an Australian rugby player who was dismissed from his job in Australia by his employer Australian Rugby.

And the only reason this society, as you put it, wouldn't tolerate it in 2019 is because an awful lot of people campaigned, lobbied, and took the risk of coming out to make sure it wouldn't be tolerated.

And if you think all that work wasn't called "LGBT Nonsense" and PC Gone Made etc etc you are very much mistaken.

Cabaal

eagle eye wrote: »

See the thing is that there are many religious people out there who believe in the Bible and believe that if you have sex with the same gender that you are sinning.
If somebody critics their beliefs and calls them homophobic they don't lose their jobs over it.
It's one-sided, the religious are now where the gay people were 25 years ago.
It was wrong then and it's wrong now too.

ah, the christian persecution complex.
I was waiting for when somebody would roll that classic one out.

Well done.

Now lets look at reality,
- Christians in the last 25 years (and more recently) have passed laws to restrict, criminalise and actually kill people just for being gay. Prior to 25 years ago they also enjoyed almost total freedom in making gay people's lives awful.
- NOW many backwards Christian's believe gay people are wrong and should burn in hell and in the context of this thread the christian involved believes god has murdered people with fire as as punishment for treating gay people equally. The same ex-rugby christian player broke the terms of his employment by spreading hate which he was previously warned about so he got fired.
- Meanwhile gay people 25 years ago and now merely want to be who they are without fear of people hating them.

But yeah, go ahead, its the Christian's that are being persecuted.
:rolleyes:

Honestly, there is not enough roll eye's in the world for this.

As I've said before, we would not be having this discussion if he said black people should burn in hell and god murdered people with fire as punishment for accepting black people.
We'd call him a racist and in this case we'll call him the homophobic dick that he is.

gmisk

Ariah Hallowed Spit wrote: »

Hungary decided it's had enough of it anyway, and has (unofically) 'withdrawn' from the Eurovision 2020 sing-song show.
Citing it as being 'too gay'. It is a bit gay in fairness, maybe moreso since the chap in the dress took to the stage.

Ah well can't say they'll be missed (musically).

I think you might be confusing being 'too gay' with camp .

Your bang wrong about Hungary btw they have had loads of class songs recently, skeletons, if love was a crime, bones.

eagle eye

Cabaal wrote:

ah, the christian persecution complex. I was waiting for when somebody would roll that classic one out.

I'm not Christian, I'm not religious so no complex here.
I have pointed out many times in this thread that I don't agree with Folau but I do believe he has the right to voice his religious opinion.
Obviously you are one of those people who just don't bother following the thread but look for a post that suits your agenda and presume you know everything about the person. In this instance you got it badly wrong.

salmocab

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm not Christian, I'm not religious so no complex here.
I have pointed out many times in this thread that I don't agree with Folau but I do believe he has the right to voice his religious opinion.
Obviously you are one of those people who just don't bother following the thread but look for a post that suits your agenda and presume you know everything about the person. In this instance you got it badly wrong.

He has the right to voice his religious opinion that hasn’t changed he’s as free now to do that as he was before all this.

Lefty Bicek

Bannasidhe wrote: »

In case it you have missed it this thread is about an Australian rugby player who was dismissed from his job in Australia by his employer Australian Rugby.

And the only reason this society, as you put it, wouldn't tolerate it in 2019 is because an awful lot of people campaigned, lobbied, and took the risk of coming out to make sure it wouldn't be tolerated.

And if you think all that work wasn't called "LGBT Nonsense" and PC Gone Made etc etc you are very much mistaken.

Actually, this thread is about 'we'. The word 'we' is in the title.

In case you missed it, 'we' are not in Australia.

The catalyst for the discussion may be events in Australia, but are Australian working conditions really the central point ?

On an Irish 'Atheism and Agnosticism' forum ?

No, they are not. Less grandstanding, please.

smacl

eagle eye wrote: »

Obviously you are one of those people who just don't bother following the thread but look for a post that suits your agenda and presume you know everything about the person. In this instance you got it badly wrong.

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Less grandstanding, please.

Mod warning: Attack the post and not the poster please. Thanks for your attention.

Cabaal

eagle eye wrote: »

I have pointed out many times in this thread that I don't agree with Folau but I do believe he has the right to voice his religious opinion.
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Nobody has argued that he doesn't have this right,

But his employer equally has the right to sack him for breaking the terms of his contract and damaging his employers image. Which they did and rightly so.
Equally, nobody has to respect anything he says and are equally free to call him the homophobic dick that he is.

eagle eye wrote: »

thread but look for a post that suits your agenda and presume you know everything about the person. In this instance you got it badly wrong.

Agenda?
Oh please do tell, what is my agenda?


I notice you've not addressed how I've ripped about your outright silly claim that Christian's are being persecuted....I suppose it makes sense to that claim now that I've shown that claim to be false, misleading and downright insulting to the gay people that have been murdered just for being gay.

Some of these murders are downright twisted, for example in one situation a gay man was anally rapped with a power washer in Brazil and he died from the massive internal injury's, meanwhile the Christian president of Brazil has caused a massive increase in hate crime against gay people due to his outspoken views and hatred towards them.
The Brazilian presidents has christian persecution complex as he believes gay people are attacking Brazil and its values, typical nonsense from a nutcase.

eagle eye

Cabaal wrote:

Agenda? Oh please do tell, what is my agenda?

Your agenda is to bash religion.
As a non-religious person I find you every bit as bad as those who try force religion down your throat.
You talk about mis-treatment of gay people and the crazed views of some people and actions of some. You do realise that there are gay gangs nowadays who beat people up?

Bannasidhe

eagle eye wrote: »

You do realise that there are gay gangs nowadays who beat people up?

Going to need a link from a reputable source for that.

eagle eye

Bannasidhe wrote:

Going to need a link from a reputable source for that.

No you can **** off and don't be so lazy and find it yourself. There is even a book about it.

robindch

eagle eye wrote: »

No you can **** off and don't be so lazy and find it yourself. There is even a book about it.

You have been carded for breaking the forum charter - specifically, Rule 1 about the requirement for civility. Please read the charter before posting again in A+A:

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054860288

Turtwig

eagle eye wrote: »

No you can **** off and don't be so lazy and find it yourself. There is even a book about it.

Part of the tenets of a basic constructive discussion is that when people ask you to substantiate an argument you do so. In this case it would be very much appreciated if you could provide the links to the material the poster requested.

pauldla

eagle eye wrote: »

Your agenda is to bash religion.
As a non-religious person I find you every bit as bad as those who try force religion down your throat.
You talk about mis-treatment of gay people and the crazed views of some people and actions of some. You do realise that there are gay gangs nowadays who beat people up?

Did that happen inside your head or outside your head...?

eagle eye

Turtwig wrote:

Part of the tenets of a basic constructive discussion is that when people ask you to substantiate an argument you do so. In this case it would be very much appreciated if you could provide the links to the material the poster requested.

If it was difficult to find I'd post a link but when it's easy to find I'm not going doing the work for others. In the time it took to quote my post and ask me to do it for them they'd have had it themselves.

smacl

eagle eye wrote: »

If it was difficult to find I'd post a link but when it's easy to find I'm not going doing the work for others. In the time it took to quote my post and ask me to do it for them they'd have had it themselves.

Thus in the time it took you to post the above you could have posted the link rather than continue with the above. Maybe just post your link.