Werewolf: HBO's Deadwood

Gertrude WW

Vernon WW wrote: »

The wolves can win once whilst Ellsworth is alive.

First comp will tell us nothing the second one is when our strategy may come into effect. Then as long as we know Ellsworth is alive, we should keep at it.

Once he dies the wolves can win more? Shouldn’t we aim to find him and protect him, more of us than them?

Derry WW

Presumably, on the goldrush, we could agree what numbers for everyone to pick and we'd have a 26.3% chance of picking a wolf tomorrow (unless the SK has already killed, in which case it would be a 27.8% chance).

The wolves could then coordinate and pick the same numbers to block, but only the first 4 numbers. The SK could choose to block the fifth number, but we'd still choose to pick independent numbers so could guarantee a village win unless we'd chosen a wolf.

If we'd chosen a wolf, they'd presumably choose to let that person win for the prize, and we'd know a wolf was in the first 5 chosen.

Alternatively, they could choose to block themselves, at least on the first day, but how long would they keep that strategy up for?

Phil WW

Vernon WW wrote: »

There will be a winner from 1-5 (well, after we work out what competition the wolf’s can partake in). The SK can win comp.

Winning the comp doesn’t guarantee a villager cos they could be SK but it guarantees they are not in the wolf team.

So, sorry, can I just make sure I'm understanding this.

We get 5 people, and tell them to pick numbers 1-5. Shouldn't we be choosing 6 instead of five?

The theory is then that even if the wolves split their votes 1-4, and the SK chooses the fifth, then whoever had 6 would win, right?

But if no one wins, then we figure there's a wolf in that batch of six, cause they'd be hiding their win?

Brendan WW

Phil WW wrote: »

So, sorry, can I just make sure I'm understanding this.

We get 5 people, and tell them to pick numbers 1-5. Shouldn't we be choosing 6 instead of five?

The theory is then that even if the wolves split their votes 1-4, and the SK chooses the fifth, then whoever had 6 would win, right?

But if no one wins, then we figure there's a wolf in that batch of six, cause they'd be hiding their win?

This is kind of what I've been trying to say - would it not be better to just assign numbers to all players as opposed to just 5 or 6?

Then there's full control, or as much as we can exert I guess.

Gertrude WW

Was there a Lynch today? Did I miss it? I thought it started tomorrow

Brendan WW

Gertrude WW wrote: »

Was there a Lynch today? Did I miss it? I thought it started tomorrow

Yeah, you dead. Soz hun

Phil WW

Brendan WW wrote: »

This is kind of what I've been trying to say - would it not be better to just assign numbers to all players as opposed to just 5 or 6?

Then there's full control, or as much as we can exert I guess.

The issue there could be that not everyone will be on at the right time.

Unless we try a priority system, where we ask people only to choose 1-6 if they are 100% sure they'll be here, and higher numbers if they aren't?

Vernon WW

Why would the SK not want to take the prize? Their job is to kill everyone anyway. Would be no reason why they would play along and declare.

Would there?

Gertrude WW

Brendan WW wrote: »

Yeah, you dead. Soz hun

Ok, fair enough. Good luck with the game everyone, do I need to reset the password back to what it was?

Brendan WW

Jokes aside, there's no lynch tonight Gertie. Tis in the OP.

Barbara WW

Orla WW wrote: »

Barbara WW wrote: »

There’s only four of them so the theory is they couldn’t block it

5 counting an SK

Ya but they definitely couldn’t coordinate with the SK, it would knock them out too.

Holly WW

Phil WW wrote: »

The issue there could be that not everyone will be on at the right time.

Unless we try a priority system, where we ask people only to choose 1-6 if they are 100% sure they'll be here, and higher numbers if they aren't?

I'll be on all day tomorrow, anyone else who is going to be able to commit to being on for one or both the goldrushes comment on thread.

Steve WW

Vernon WW wrote: »

Why would the SK not want to take the prize? Their job is to kill everyone anyway. Would be no reason why they would play along and declare.

Would there?

I’d assume they would play along to blend in with the villagers

Derry WW

Barbara WW wrote: »

Ya but they definitely couldn’t coordinate with the SK, it would knock them out too.

But if you were the SK, you could assume the wolves would take the first 4 numbers. Not sure what that would get you... Unless the village tags a wolf or SK in the first 5 numbers, you can't do anything other than block or try for competing for the tied highest number.

Barbara WW

Holly WW wrote: »

Phil WW wrote: »

The issue there could be that not everyone will be on at the right time.

Unless we try a priority system, where we ask people only to choose 1-6 if they are 100% sure they'll be here, and higher numbers if they aren't?

I'll be on all day tomorrow, anyone else who is going to be able to commit to being on for one or both the goldrushes comment on thread.

I’ll be there for both

I agree with letting Des choose

Brendan WW

Can't commit 100% to the first goldrush but here for the second

Desmond WW

Guys I’m trying to keep up with the amendments to my suggestions and I’m ok to go along with whatever the consensus is but The main target of my strategy is to make it difficult for baddies to strategize to get the good gold. Let’s say there’s 20 players , 5 of them are bad. 15 good.

Surely all goodies will stick to the plan. If your number isn’t 1-5 and you are a goody then pick a number after 5. Prob a good idea to maybe have some people pick 6-10 just so no overlapping.

The idea behind 5 was because baddies can’t double up on more then 5 numbers so from number 6 onwards we should be fine once all villagers don’t double up on 6.7, 8 etc.

Don’t get hung up on the idea. If it’s too confusing or people aren’t sure about it then we can leave it. It was just an effort to make it harder for wolves. Can somebody challange the idea? I mean look at it from a wolves perspective and see how they could manipulate it?

I mostly see positives but:

- wolves can manipulate who gets the gold. If they can’t get it they can cast shade on somebody by block voting (so they vote for 1,2,3 and number 4 wins). Oh doesn’t number 4 look dodgy. Likewise the opposite where they do it so a wolf wins. It will cast shade on whoever gets gold but seer will have to decide whether it’s dodge or not
- wolves may win the gold (counter to this is that they will have to admit it on thread or we will know they are hiding in that group of 5)

Anything else anybody can see?

Barbara WW

The seer can also check out the first winner, might not be immediately useful but a decent way to choose someone to peek

Vernon WW

I wasn’t gonna tell them that in thread, Des, just Incase they hadn’t thought of it themselves

Everyone should be assigned a number. The comp is after munch and dunno when SK kills but their will be No’s 1-19 at least. Based on what number wins, the seer gets a reduced player list to select from at least.

Desmond WW

Phil WW wrote: »

The issue there could be that not everyone will be on at the right time.

Unless we try a priority system, where we ask people only to choose 1-6 if they are 100% sure they'll be here, and higher numbers if they aren't?

This could tell us an awful lot about wolves strategy later on in game.

Desmond WW

Vernon WW wrote: »

I wasn’t gonna tell them that in thread, Des, just Incase they hadn’t thought of it themselves

Everyone should be assigned a number. The comp is after munch and dunno when SK kills but their will be No’s 1-19 at least. Based on what number wins, the seer gets a reduced player list to select from at least.

I don’t want a bandwagon situation later on in game where it’s set in stone that Vernon getting number 3 and winning the gold looks suss, so we should hang him!

Brendan WW

Anyways I'm going to catch a few hours sleep before the big show tonight. Chalk me in for the second goldrush slot, can't commit to the first one at the moment.

Barbara WW

Desmond WW wrote: »

Anything else anybody can see?

The wolf could win first off, use the power for good and then not be rotated back in for five turns, meaning we learn nothing but at least the village is getting the prizes

Wendy WW

Good day to you kind sirs and ma'ams!

Vernon WW

Desmond WW wrote: »

I don’t want a bandwagon situation later on in game where it’s set in stone that Vernon getting number 3 and winning the gold looks suss, so we should hang him!

Awww don’t kill Vern

Wendy WW

Vernon WW wrote: »

Awww don’t kill Vern

Suspicious reference to self in the third person noted

Wendy WW

You can leave me out of any number picking and requirement to be here at a certain time. I'll be phone posting for the vast majority

Gertrude WW

Wendy WW wrote: »

Suspicious reference to self in the third person noted

Luckily Gertrude doesn’t do that. She can read a clock upside down though

Wendy WW

Gertrude WW wrote: »

Once he dies the wolves can win more? Shouldn’t we aim to find him and protect him, more of us than them?

Wolves try to find powerful villagers. Villagers try to find wolves

Desmond WW

Barbara WW wrote: »

The wolf could win first off, use the power for good and then not be rotated back in for five turns, meaning we learn nothing but at least the village is getting the prizes

True dat...

So if people are interested in trying this out can they copy and paste:

#goldrush
12.30 - 1.29 - Yes/No
And/or
16.30 - 17.29 - Yes/No

I don’t mind choosing 10-12 random people but im ok if somebody else has an alternative suggestion.

Vernon WW

#goldrush
12.30 - 1.29 - Yes
And
16.30 - 17.29 - Yes

Desmond WW

Wendy WW wrote: »

You can leave me out of any number picking and requirement to be here at a certain time. I'll be phone posting for the vast majority

Wendy’s availability for gold rush Monday

#goldrush
12.30 - 1.29 - No
And
16.30 - 17.29 - No

Wendy WW

Desmond WW wrote: »

Wendy’s availability for gold rush Monday

#goldrush
12.30 - 1.29 - No
And
16.30 - 17.29 - No

Desmond WW

#goldrush
12.30 - 1.29 - Yes
And
16.30 - 17.29 - Yes

Barbara WW

#goldrush
12.30 - 1.29 - Yes
And
16.30 - 17.29 - Yes

Barbara WW

What are the benefits to asking people to nominate themselves as opposed to choosing at random?

I suppose any wolf who doesn’t want to do it can say they aren’t available

Desmond WW

Wendy WW wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMhwddNQSWQ

Barbara WW

I’m off to bed guys

Desmond WW

Barbara WW wrote: »

What are the benefits to asking people to nominate themselves as opposed to choosing at random?

I suppose any wolf who doesn’t want to do it can say they aren’t available

If we choose at random people can just say they weren’t available and they might not be which gives wolves a chance to sneak in.

If we can’t get more then 6 even for earlier vote then it’s already a dead stick. The wolves have 4 people who can coordinate together and at least try and make sure they all get a vote in.

Phil WW

I'm afraid I've already got commitments tomorrow (hence why I mentioned the possibility tomorrow), as the picture show is coming through town and I've made prior arrangements with a belle.

#goldrush
12.30 - 1.29 - No
And
16.30 - 17.29 - No

Barbara WW wrote: »

What are the benefits to asking people to nominate themselves as opposed to choosing at random?

I suppose any wolf who doesn’t want to do it can say they aren’t available

I'd imagine wolves would love to get their names into the equation to be honest. They'll want to win, and would love to get themselves an unopposed lower number, right?

Vernon WW

Dunno how I’m gonna stay awake for two more hours!

Angus WW

Oops looks like I’m a bit late to the party....sorry everyone.

I’m really tired and don’t know if it’s that, or I’m just stupid, but I’m not understanding the gold rush strategies at all! I will be around tomorrow though and would love if someone would just assign me a number

#goldrush
12.30 - 1.29 - Yes
And
16.30 - 17.29 - Yes

Vernon WW

1st competition isn’t until midday tomorrow so loads of time to get our heads around it, Angus.

I have a suggestion with regards to randomly assigning number to player. Might work for the first time but could we pass the alphabetical player list below around each other in turn. First player on the list starts and picks a number for a player of their own choosing? Then the next player on the list chooses. I know we have to allow for players who can’t make the comp but they could be given a number from 10 onwards.

Would that be random enough?

Abigail WW
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Gertrude WW
Holly WW
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WerewolfGM

Just a friendly request to you all, please do not post Game of Thrones spoilers in this thread. Some mods won't get to see the episode until Monday or Tuesday night while they are busy with Deadwood and RL, it could be the same for some of you players as well.

Say that the episode was great, grand, terrible, but please don't even post a comment like "I cried" or "Noooooo!" etc. which hints at a dramatic story-beat or twist/death to come. This request also extends to the COP backrooms as well. (Feel free to create a GoT Spoilers Thread in your backroom though if you have one and I'll keep the fúck outta there!)

Please be sound about this, and we won't consider doing away with auto-priest. Thank You

Vernon WW

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Katie WW

#goldrush
12.30 - 1.29 - No (could if required; will be in a meeting but could phone post)
And/or
16.30 - 17.29 - Yes

Katie WW

WerewolfGM wrote: »

Just a friendly request to you all, please do not post Game of Thrones spoilers in this thread. Some mods won't get to see the episode until Monday or Tuesday night while they are busy with Deadwood and RL, it could be the same for some of you players as well.

Say that the episode was great, grand, terrible, but please don't even post a comment like "I cried" or "Noooooo!" etc. which hints at a dramatic story-beat or twist/death to come. This request also extends to the COP backrooms as well. (Feel free to create a GoT Spoilers Thread in your backroom though if you have one and I'll keep the fúck outta there!)

Please be sound about this, and we won't consider doing away with auto-priest. Thank You

I’ve never seen an episode of GOT.

Holly WW

#goldrush
12.30 - 1.29 - Yes
And
16.30 - 17.29 - Yes

Abigail WW

Katie WW wrote: »

I’ve never seen an episode of GOT.

Don’t think I trust Katie :pac:

Gonna try to be online at the gold rush times but if it’s run again tomorrow I’d probably be a bit more confident of doing so

Conor WW

goldrush
12.30 - 1.29 - Yes
And
16.30 - 17.29 - Yes