2019 All Ireland Senior Football Championship *Mod note: Post #1*

jimmytwotimes 2013

Good game, could have gone either way. Seán O'Shea had Brennan as a jockey for about 10 mins of the 2nd half, plenty other talking pts but Lee Keegan had the same approach in the league final.

Annoying from kerry pt of view but plenty else going on before anyone jumps on it. Just an observation.

RoscommonTom

mighty second game today, best match this year, the first one was pure rubbish, meath threw it away

seligehgit

RMAOK wrote: »

Best game of the football championship by a country mile

Glad I recorded it.

aridion

This game showed how football is still alive and well. Top class from both sides. Edge of the seat stuff all the way.

FrancieBrady

aridion wrote: »

This game showed how football is still alive and well. Top class from both sides. Edge of the seat stuff all the way.

As somebody said would have been an out and out classic as a knockout game.
The edge was taken off it somewhat.

happyoutscan

RoscommonTom wrote: »

mighty second game today, best match this year, the first one was pure rubbish, meath threw it away

They were more competitive than Roscommon were anyway.

dobman88

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As somebody said would have been an out and out classic as a knockout game.
The edge was taken off it somewhat.

Exactly how it felt in the stadium. Even when Donegal went 1 up on 70mins my first thought was, ah grand, beat meath and go through. And when they equalised with the Murphy free even Shane Ryan was in no rush for the kick out. Take the draw and head to Navan. Not enjoying this super 8 idea at all tbh

gormdubhgorm

White lighting wrote: »

I hope Meath do but i just cant see it tbh. Meath are improving and they are a very young side but lets call a spade a spade they are a poor team. They were brutal against Dublin who didnt come out of first gear only scoring 4 points. Clare should have beaten them and an under performing Donegal team still beat them by 9 points last weekend.

I would love to see Meath beat Mayo but as i have predicted i can see them been beaten by 8+ points this week

You were spot on fair play to ya. (In contrast I did terrible with my predictions)

Newman going off was a major turning point Meath lost thier focal point.
That young fella who came on for Newman only scored the handy frees, he froze a bit when there were more difficult ones. One in particular was a sort of toe poke that stayed in play.
If Meath properly went at it they would have beaten Mayo. They had two or three goal chances but went for the safe point option.
The shooting in the first half was awful from both sides.

I do not think the 9 point win was a fair reflection on the game, Meath lost it, rather then Mayo won it.

gormdubhgorm

Strumms wrote: »

The scoring and accuracy from all over the pitch was unreal. In difficult conditions too it really was, some scores from crazy angles, under pressure and serious distances.

The movement and control of both sides was impressive as well.
Both sides defended well - Kerry were better at the defending than I thought they would be.
Murphy was some man with those frees though.
The more pressure on a kick the better he seems to do.

After seeing the two teams live, I am starting to think that Dublin's five in a row is not the foregone conclusion most people are assuming.

How Soon Is Now

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The movement and control of both sides was impressive as well.
Both sides defended well - Kerry were better at the defending than I thought they would be.
Murphy was some man with those frees though.
The more pressure on a kick the better he seems to do.

After seeing the two teams live, I am starting to think that Dublin's five in a row is not the foregone conclusion most people are assuming.

Ya i dont think Dublin are gonna walk this as some are making out. Dublin will need to improve at the back. Donegal and Kerry have players who can and will punish you on there day. We give them the space we gave Roscommon yesterday and where gonna be in trouble. I dont think it will happen but who knows!

ArnoldJRimmer

mystic86 wrote: »

Reffing was a joke today at times, Kerry got nothing from him and Donegal got a few very dubious ones. Donegal backs at it off the ball all day.

Absolute nonsense, the O'Donnell black card was criminal, and given only to even things out after the only controversial decision given against Kerry all day. Badly reffed all round. O'Brien is lucky he had to leave the field with a bloody nose when giving away the penalty, nailed on black card.

Great game, and I think a fair result. If McGlynn had buried that shot instead of passing for the square ball, it could have been the game winner, but then Clifford probably should have had a goal in the first half, so evens things out. Top class scoring in the second half in particular from both teams. I think they'll both end up playing Dublin but can't see either stopping them

Coillte_Bhoy

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

Absolute nonsense, the O'Donnell black card was criminal, and given only to even things out after the only controversial decision given against Kerry all day. Badly reffed all round. O'Brien is lucky he had to leave the field with a bloody nose when giving away the penalty, nailed on black card.

Great game, and I think a fair result. If McGlynn had buried that shot instead of passing for the square ball, it could have been the game winner, but then Clifford probably should have had a goal in the first half, so evens things out. Top class scoring in the second half in particular from both teams. I think they'll both end up playing Dublin but can't see either stopping them

Why? Now i haven't seen a replay so maybe im missing something but didnt look a black to me initially

ArnoldJRimmer

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Why? Now i haven't seen a replay so maybe im missing something but didnt look a black to me initially

He pretty much jumped on him to knock him down, no real attempt to play the ball at all. If we do have to put up with the farce that is the black card rule, I'd put it up there as a definite

Hawkeye9212

aridion wrote: »

This game showed how football is still alive and well. Top class from both sides. Edge of the seat stuff all the way.

Football is alive and well in a small number of counties.

dobman88

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

Great game, and I think a fair result. If McGlynn had buried that shot instead of passing for the square ball,

Just on this. It wasnt a square ball. The Donegal man caught it and threw it into the net after it was deflected on the way over towards him. So it was disallowed for a throw ball.

ArnoldJRimmer

dobman88 wrote: »

Just on this. It wasnt a square ball. The Donegal man caught it and threw it into the net after it was deflected on the way over towards him. So it was disallowed for a throw ball.

I think it might have been a bit of both, was a mess in there

dobman88

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

I think it might have been a bit of both, was a mess in there

Definitely a throw. Referee was quite clear in showing his hands in a throwing motion. I'm also at home now rewatching the game and its definitely a throw ball it was given for after the ball was tipped out of his line

ArnoldJRimmer

dobman88 wrote: »

Definitely a throw. Referee was quite clear in showing his hands in a throwing motion. I'm also at home now rewatching the game and its definitely a throw ball it was given for after the ball was tipped out of his line

Fair enough if thats what it was given for, right decision, was fairly manic where I was watching it. Was just saying that it also looked like a square ball in the replay

TCDStudent1

Goal was disallowed for being thrown into the net. However, it looked to be a square ball - he was already in square.

seligehgit

dobman88 wrote: »

Just on this. It wasnt a square ball. The Donegal man caught it and threw it into the net after it was deflected on the way over towards him. So it was disallowed for a throw ball.

100% That's what Brian Carthy and John Casey called it on the radio.

dobman88

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

Fair enough if thats what it was given for, right decision, was fairly manic where I was watching it. Was just saying that it also looked like a square ball in the replay

Yeah had to rewatch it myself to confirm it and the refs actions were clear. That's not the point I was trying to argue anyway, more so that the Donegal man made the right decision to try and set up a fisted goal with a lot of bodies in his way for a shot.

doc_17

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Good game, could have gone either way. Seán O'Shea had Brennan as a jockey for about 10 mins of the 2nd half, plenty other talking pts but Lee Keegan had the same approach in the league final.

Annoying from kerry pt of view but plenty else going on before anyone jumps on it. Just an observation.

Not as bad as O’Mahoney on Murphy in 2014. Ridiculous altogether that day. Lasted the whole game. Players get away with it and shouldn’t. Linesmen should have helped today when that was the case.

seligehgit

O Donnell black card seemed incredibly harsh.

RMAOK

seligehgit wrote: »

O Donnell black card seemed incredibly harsh.

Like was said earlier, it smacked of the referee making things even after Kerry getting the black

Paddy223

Nice to see the Sunday Game getting a wider perspective tonight with two Kerry men and a Dublin man. I guess some things never change..

dobman88

seligehgit wrote: »

O Donnell black card seemed incredibly harsh.

I called it as soon as the ref blew. Was sitting beside 2 Donegal lads and said the ref would even it up. He had given strange frees all game to both sides in his pursuit to even things out. He had an absolute shocker for both sides today.

Poor_old_gill

Also as I witnessed it a few times in the second half- if you hand off a man in GAA it’s a free.

It’s not rugby so there are no hand offs- refs need to realise this

downthemiddle

mystic86 wrote: »

Reffing was a joke today at times, Kerry got nothing from him and Donegal got a few very dubious ones. Donegal backs at it off the ball all day.

Open the other eye and things will seem much clearer.

Seadin

Great game of football today with Kerry and Donegal. Two fantastic teams neither derserved to lose. Good entertainment and lovely to see the game played the way it was today in croke park.

PTH2009

Think Tyrone will beat Dublin and then in the other group the others will want too finish 2nd as they would meet Tyrone other than Dublin in the semi final (if Tyrone beat Dublin in the final group game)

Kerry will top the group if they win and Mayo beat Donegal. Kerry and Donegal win then its Pts difference for 1st/2nd. Mayo need a win really but a draw might get them through

The_Honeybadger

PTH2009 wrote: »

Think Tyrone will beat Dublin and then in the other group the others will want too finish 2nd as they would meet Tyrone other than Dublin in the semi final (if Tyrone beat Dublin in the final group game)

Kerry will top the group if they win and Mayo beat Donegal. Kerry and Donegal win then its Pts difference for 1st/2nd. Mayo need a win really but a draw might get them through

A draw won’t get mayo through because their points difference is much worse than Donegal’s. They have to win, if they get their injured players back they have a good chance imo.

Trying to finish second to avoid Dublin could backfire and I’d seriously question any side or manager with that mentality. You play what is in front of you, end of.

Bonniedog

The Group table means that there can't be any messing about. Pretty safe to assume Kerry will beat Meath; Mayo have to win. Donegal also have to get at least a point.


As for Dublin/Tyrone, can't see either team trying not to win!


might field a different team than intended for the semi final, but that's no guarantee that either will not be flat out. I would expect a pretty intense game.

dobman88

Bonniedog wrote: »

Mayo have to win and if they do will finish second even if Meath beat Kerry. .

Think you've got that wrong. If those results happen, Mayo will top the group on 4 points and that would leave Kerry and Donegal on 3 points each so would go down to scoring difference between them. Meath would finish bottom with 2 points.

Bass Reeves

PTH2009 wrote: »

Think Tyrone will beat Dublin and then in the other group the others will want too finish 2nd as they would meet Tyrone other than Dublin in the semi final (if Tyrone beat Dublin in the final group game)

Kerry will top the group if they win and Mayo beat Donegal. Kerry and Donegal win then its Pts difference for 1st/2nd. Mayo need a win really but a draw might get them through

Highly unlikely a draw will get Mayo through even if Meath were to beat Kerry, Kerry would qualify by the head to head game and Donegal top the group on 4 points. Kerry are likely to beat Meath and should win by enough to increase there point differnce by enough if Donegal beat Mayo. Donegal looked very good today unless Mayo really increase there preformance level they should have enough to beat Mayo. Mayo need to win to qualify

Prestonites

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Also as I witnessed it a few times in the second half- if you hand off a man in GAA it’s a free.

It’s not rugby so there are no hand offs- refs need to realise this

But you are entitled to hand off, if a half forward fields a ball turns and is hit he can hand off, if a half back is taking the ball into midfield snd is checked he can hand off, it a form of creating space to protect yourself. Your claims of MM after today is laughable.

km79

Donegal keeper comfortable under the high ball again this weekend .......

Bonniedog

dobman88 wrote: »

Think you've got that wrong. If those results happen, Mayo will top the group on 4 points and that would leave Kerry and Donegal on 3 points each so would go down to scoring difference between them. Meath would finish bottom with 2 points.

Yeah. Corrected that. But Mayo still have to win.

The group one games are on the Saturday so that in itself rules out any mad plan based on what might happen in Omagh!


There could be - but not this year - a scenario in which it might suit a team to lose in order to ensure that their opponent in their last game went into semis rather than a team they would prefer less to meet!

dobman88

Bonniedog wrote: »

Yeah. Corrected that. But Mayo still have to win.

The group one games are on the Saturday so that in itself rules out any mad plan based on what might happen in Omagh!


There could be - but not this year - a scenario in which it might suit a team to lose in order to ensure that their opponent in their last game went into semis rather than a team they would prefer less to meet!

I'm really not a fan of that type of thing. Play your games to win and play whoever is next. This whole thing of trying to finish 2nd or whatever could bite teams so always best to just take it as it comes

DDC1990

Possibly better to play Dublin in the Semi-Final. Only 1 week to prepare to beat you instead of 3.

Might get away with a 12 point beating instead of a 24 point one

theguzman

I can see Kerry with a higher winning margin over Meath than Donegal could beat Mayo by, put it this way, if Donegal beat Mayo it will be by no more than three or four points, Kerry have +1 point over Donegal already and Kerry are still top of the table despite the draw today.

Dublin will steam roll Tyrone by about 5-10 points, my predictions are Donegal V Dublin, Kerry V Tyrone semis, I wouldn't rule out Mayo since it in Castlebar but the gut says Donegal to prevail. Kerry V Dublin 90% and Kerry to break Dublin hearts and stop the 5 in a row.

ArnoldJRimmer

Bonniedog wrote: »

Yeah. Corrected that. But Mayo still have to win.

The group one games are on the Saturday so that in itself rules out any mad plan based on what might happen in Omagh!


There could be - but not this year - a scenario in which it might suit a team to lose in order to ensure that their opponent in their last game went into semis rather than a team they would prefer less to meet!

Galway last year is a great example of why a team should not ease off once they've qualified from the group with a game to spare. Completely flat against Monaghan, and couldn't lift it a week later in the semi final. Dublin would have beaten them anyway, but they were fairly pathetic in that game

Boom__Boom

Prestonites wrote: »

But you are entitled to hand off, if a half forward fields a ball turns and is hit he can hand off, if a half back is taking the ball into midfield snd is checked he can hand off, it a form of creating space to protect yourself. Your claims of MM after today is laughable.

You are 100% wrong - there is no allowance anywhere in the rules of GAA for any type of hand-off whatsoever.

The following is an agressive foul

Rule 5.8 To push an opponent with the hand(s).

Any player who commits a hand-off should be blown for a free against him.

thelad95

What are people’s thoughts on the super 8s this year and last? Is it something likely to continue forward into the future? I’m not so sure.

I can’t help but feel a Luke warm tempo to the games, similar to a large proportion of games in Munster hurling this year.

The Kerry v Donegal game had an unusual feel to it. While it was a massively entertaining game, just lacked that extra bit of bite that would have been there if it was straight knock out.

Fann Linn

Hard to know what to make of Tyrone, got a win against Roscommon last week by pulling away near the end and again last night, if Cork were more cute in the second half they could have gpt a win.

nc6000

thelad95 wrote: »

What are people’s thoughts on the super 8s this year and last? Is it something likely to continue forward into the future? I’m not so sure.

I'm watching The Sunday Game and based on the amount of empty seats I'd say it hasn't caught on.

Bonniedog

Fann Linn wrote: »

Hard to know what to make of Tyrone, got a win against Roscommon last week by pulling away near the end and again last night, if Cork were more cute in the second half they could have gpt a win.

Got in for last 20 minutes, and Cork were just dying on their feet. Tyrone too have come same route but looked to have a bit more in the tank, and have the capital of a series of wins whereas Cork were coming off the Dublin beating.

I think as well that once Cork lost the lead, they were like a long distance runner headed going down the straight. Impossible to get back up there.

Hard to take much from it. Find this Tyrone team very hard to judge, and probably won't see their full measure until the semi finals/

salmocab

thelad95 wrote: »

What are people’s thoughts on the super 8s this year and last? Is it something likely to continue forward into the future? I’m not so sure.

I can’t help but feel a Luke warm tempo to the games, similar to a large proportion of games in Munster hurling this year.

The Kerry v Donegal game had an unusual feel to it. While it was a massively entertaining game, just lacked that extra bit of bite that would have been there if it was straight knock out.

I don’t like it, it has no intensity and far too likely to turn up dead rubbers most years I would think.

Downlinz

thelad95 wrote: »

What are people’s thoughts on the super 8s this year and last? Is it something likely to continue forward into the future? I’m not so sure.

Mixed. In both years the group without Dublin has been competitive and interesting but the Dublin group has been predictable and greatly disadvantages the team who wind up with Dublin as their "neutral" game since they ultimately have to win an away game to progress which applies to no other team.

It's unfortunately difficult to look beyond the Dublin issue at the moment as I don't think there's a competition structure that could make things feel fair, competitive and exciting without changes elsewhere.

jr86

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

Galway last year is a great example of why a team should not ease off once they've qualified from the group with a game to spare. Completely flat against Monaghan, and couldn't lift it a week later in the semi final. Dublin would have beaten them anyway, but they were fairly pathetic in that game

In fairness Galway named a strong team v Monaghan they just played poorly. They had a very long season after a good league run with more or less the same side. They didn't intentionally ease off

They actually gave Dublin a great game early on. They were well beaten in second half like anyone else would have been tbh

corny

Whelan doing a good job of showing the Colm Cavanagh unseen work!