2019 All Ireland Senior Football Championship *Mod note: Post #1*

dobman88

Bass Reeves wrote: »

What is the spread

Can get evens on Dublin -10 and -11.

Slattsy

dobman88 wrote: »

Can get evens on Dublin -10 and -11.

Oooh I thought it would be bigger. Tempting. What ya think Bonniedog?

eagle eye

I think a lot of people are underestimating Donegal and Roscommon and overestimating Kerry.
Remember what Donegal did to Tyrone, note the huge difference in Roscommon as regards strength and conditioning and remember how bad Kerry's defence was in the Munster final.
Dublin should win the All-Ireland again, only team I can see giving themany trouble is Donegal and that's because they all get back and can break at pace and on top of that have three excellent forwards which makes it very hard to shut them down.
I think Roscommon make the semi+final by beating both Tyrone and Cork.
I think Donegal win all three matches in the other group if that's necessary, impossible to call the second team.

Fr Tod Umptious

eagle eye wrote: »

I think a lot of people are underestimating Donegal and Roscommon and overestimating Kerry.
Remember what Donegal did to Tyrone, note the huge difference in Roscommon as regards strength and conditioning and remember how bad Kerry's defence was in the Munster final.
Dublin should win the All-Ireland again, only team I can see giving themany trouble is Donegal and that's because they all get back and can break at pace and on top of that have three excellent forwards which makes it very hard to shut them down.
I think Roscommon make the semi+final by beating both Tyrone and Cork.
I think Donegal win all three matches in the other group if that's necessary, impossible to call the second team.

I don't think anyone is underestimating Donegal

Many have given them the "team most likely to beat Dublin" tag since they beat Tyrone and Kerry looked a bit shaky v Cork.

And people are not overestimating Kerry
Their stock has really dropped since the two league defeats v Mayo.

Roscommon I agree with you, I certainly think they can win at home v Tyrone and get a result v Cork.

Bass Reeves

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Cork will be thumped by 20 points.

I do not think it will be that much. Cork have nothing to lose and will not sit totally back like Meath. There midfield while not extremely mobile is physically strong and they have good enough backs. They also score goals even though there forwards are fairly average. I expect them to stay with Dublin (within 3-5 points) until 10-15 minutes in the second half after that there legs will get them. They could still get a goal at the end to leave the game within 10-12 points.

grbear

I enjoy Fitzmaurices articles.


Pointing out stuff like the ways Maor Foirnes can be mischievous and highlighting the cyncial nature of some lads rolling around holding their heads are topics too many pundits wouldn't touch for fear of blowback.

zetecescort

grbear wrote: »

I enjoy Fitzmaurices articles.


Pointing out stuff like the ways Maor Foirnes can be mischievous and highlighting the cyncial nature of some lads rolling around holding their heads are topics too many pundits wouldn't touch for fear of blowback.

cant take him seriously when its always Mayo or the Dubs, never the Princes of Pigskin :rolleyes:

BonnieSituation

grbear wrote: »

I enjoy Fitzmaurices articles.


Pointing out stuff like the ways Maor Foirnes can be mischievous and highlighting the cyncial nature of some lads rolling around holding their heads are topics too many pundits wouldn't touch for fear of blowback.

munster87

I’d give Roscommon a fair chance of getting the win. Peter Harte would be a big loss. Mayo at 15/8 with the bookies is huge. Home advantage is the only reason I can see for Kerry being favourites by them. Dublin should beat Cork by 12 or 13 points in my opinion. If Cork start as slow as they did against Kerry it could be much worse. I’d expect Donegal to beat Meath handy enough too.
Betting wise definitely Roscommon and Mayo look like value bets.

Bass Reeves

zetecescort wrote: »

cant take him seriously when its always Mayo or the Dubs, never the Princes of Pigskin :rolleyes:

No pundit sh!ts on there own doorstep TBF. Most point out hat is happening to other teams

BonnieSituation

Bass Reeves wrote: »

No pundit sh!ts on there own doorstep TBF. Most point out hat is happening to other teams

Ah now. There's fair and there's Them'muns.

jimmytwotimes 2013

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I don't think anyone is underestimating Donegal

Many have given them the "team most likely to beat Dublin" tag since they beat Tyrone and Kerry looked a bit shaky v Cork.

And people are not overestimating Kerry
Their stock has really dropped since the two league defeats v Mayo.

Roscommon I agree with you, I certainly think they can win at home v Tyrone and get a result v Cork.

Kerry's league defeats to Mayo, being outscored in the 2nd half of their match v. Clare and being run through for fun by Cork have seen Kerry's stock fall.

Strangely though, when you comment, as a Kerry person, on these and express concern you get the usual "yerra", "cute hoor" crap from people.

Kerry showed early promise in the league, a time of the year that can be notoriously misleading.

I think we have massive issues at goalkeeper, full back, centre back and midfield isn't mobile enough which is also putting pressure on the defence.

No doubt, future stars like Sean O'Shea, David Clifford, Gavin White, Tom O'Sullivan have been unearthed but they're young and as we saw in the league final will probably need a few years before they are physically a match for other top teams.

I don't think we'll get out of this Super 8 group and the Meath game will be a dead rubber but anything can happen in sport.

Kerry pretty much hit the reset button on their squad this year so it'll take time.

Despite the recent evidence though, plenty just throw out the "yerras", but whatever.

C__MC

Kerry's pure footballing ability keeps them in games that's why with home advantage they could get a win at the weekend. Last year in clones and in croke park they where second best but somehow kept it to a one score game in both pouncing for a draw in clones after being battered for nearly the whole game.

jimmytwotimes 2013

C__MC wrote: »

Kerry's pure footballing ability keeps them in games that's why with home advantage they could get a win at the weekend. Last year in clones and in croke park they where second best but somehow kept it to a one score game in both pouncing for a draw in clones after being battered for nearly the whole game.

Kerry couldn't break down Galway's deep-lying defence, shouldn't be credited for Monaghan's inability to put a team away and were out before the final round last year.

This year has seen Sherwood and Morley at full back, Sherwood now at centre back and a goalkeeper who, three times, has been caught with horrendous judgement under a high ball.

Edit: also played long through Tommy Walsh for the League and now have abandoned that tactic with the mark no longer around. In the defence of management Clifford wasn't available for most of the league but still, why not develop an attacking system that could continue into the summer.

Edgware

zetecescort wrote: »

cant take him seriously when its always Mayo or the Dubs, never the Princes of Pigskin :rolleyes:

Yerra

Edgware

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Kerry's league defeats to Mayo, being outscored in the 2nd half of their match v. Clare and being run through for fun by Cork have seen Kerry's stock fall.

Strangely though, when you comment, as a Kerry person, on these and express concern you get the usual "yerra", "cute hoor" crap from people.

Kerry showed early promise in the league, a time of the year that can be notoriously misleading.

I think we have massive issues at goalkeeper, full back, centre back and midfield isn't mobile enough which is also putting pressure on the defence.

No doubt, future stars like Sean O'Shea, David Clifford, Gavin White, Tom O'Sullivan have been unearthed but they're young and as we saw in the league final will probably need a few years before they are physically a match for other top teams.

I don't think we'll get out of this Super 8 group and the Meath game will be a dead rubber but anything can happen in sport.

Kerry pretty much hit the reset button on their squad this year so it'll take time.

Despite the recent evidence though, plenty just throw out the "yerras", but whatever.

Left in 3 goals againt Mayo, 3 goals against Cork and could have been more.
They have work to do in defence, will now have to handle a confident Mayo team who are up to speed with all the cynical stuff Kerry are left away with

Bass Reeves

Edgware wrote: »

Left in 3 goals againt Mayo, 3 goals against Cork and could have been more.
They have work to do in defence, will now have to handle a confident Mayo team who are up to speed with all the cynical stuff Kerry are left away with

That is brilliant Cynical Kerry and no mention of what Mayo is doing. Mayo has had three fairly hard games in a row and are an aging team with huge mileage done. Armagh should have turned them over IMO its a 50/50 game both teams have issue's. Kerry had no bench last year as Fitzmaurice had too many older players on it.

Confidence is great but over confidence can be a problem. The game Kerry had against Cork will have showed Kerry where they have issue and they will have had time to sort those issues. As well Kerry played the last 15-20 minutes with 14 men and still scraped out the result after conceeding some stupid scores. Having said all that Kerry are a young and inexperienced team with even some younger players taht were around for 2-3 years such as Burns not making the team and McCarthy dropped of the panel. As well Geany, Moran and Jack Barry not preforming.

Mayo have struggled against Armagh and should have been beaten except for ref allowing them to run down the clock. They put Galway and Down away fairly comfortably. However Galway have gone down hill since they failed to preform against Monoghan last year. Having said that Mayo look fresher than this time last year and they seem to be playing better. Kerry will struggle with there running game and the way there backs come forward. But I still think its a 50/50 game it will depend on who preforms on the day

munster87

Biggest problem this Kerry team has at the moment is they are not cynical enough. All winning teams have it, they unfortunately don’t, yet.

beggars_bush

Mayo have introduced a few young lads though already this season
The age profile isn't as high as it was

Stoner

Bass Reeves wrote:

As well Geany, Moran and Jack Barry not preforming.

The mayo lads have kept Moran in his box before, but he's had good games too. IMO SOS has played his most influential football against Kerry, this is a huge bonus because he's known as a bit of a workhorse usually.

I'd agree about those three not performing, but Kerry could beat anyone if they performed, particularly Geany and I think he can exploit one of Mayos weaknesses best, Moran can take advantage of poor kickouts out the field if they go that way. He's worth a couple of points too.

But Geany hasn't been great though has he? He's probably the best no 14 on his day but he looks off. With the young lads firing Kerry would have a lot of lads to worry about if he was flying.

TBH I think its Mayos to lose again. I wouldn't be bothered about their age or mileage as they have been listening to similar stuff for years.

I don't know of I'd say the same if it was 12 months down the road but I think they will be ready, Horan is fresh from his break.

You are right though, everything could go right for Kerry, but I don't think they'll be able for the relentless attitude and conditioning that Mayo can bring for the entire game.


Looking at the Cork game it took Kerry a lot of time to cut out the ball reaching the cork full forwards, plus i thought Cork pulled up once they demonstrated the can put up a fight, but they did close it out.

Mayos recent championship win over Kerry puts a different slant on it too

It's a difficult one to call but I think it's in Mayo's hands more than Kerry's.

Fan of Netflix

Roscommon beating Tyrone would give the first group interest also mean Tyrone vs Dublin would not be a dead rubber.

munsterlegend

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Roscommon beating Tyrone would give the first group interest also mean Tyrone vs Dublin would not be a dead rubber.

Yeah would bring the group alive and ensure all teams have a chance going into final games.

robbiezero

Stoner wrote: »

The mayo lads have kept Moran in his box before, but he's had good games too.

Was outstanding against them in 2014. Absolutely robbed of Man of Match in that game with it given to O'Donoghue.
Think he struggles a bit with mobility at the very top level, but depending on the game, can be very effective too.

beggars_bush

robbiezero wrote: »

Was outstanding against them in 2014. Absolutely robbed of Man of Match in that game with it given to O'Donoghue.
Think he struggles a bit with mobility at the very top level, but depending on the game, can be very effective too.

The mark has definitely helped him

ToBeFrank123

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Roscommon beating Tyrone would give the first group interest also mean Tyrone vs Dublin would not be a dead rubber.

Roscommon will be seriously targeting the Tyrone game.
Tyrone are far more direct this year and Roscommon are far better defensively.
I'm really looking forward to the game. It will be one of those fascinating battles.
I wouldn't be surprised if Roscommon perform really well, and run them close if not beat them. As others have said Peter Harte is a huge loss.
Whoever loses the game could be out of the championship.

ToBeFrank123

robbiezero wrote: »

Was outstanding against them in 2014. Absolutely robbed of Man of Match in that game with it given to O'Donoghue.
Think he struggles a bit with mobility at the very top level, but depending on the game, can be very effective too.

He was a great man to distribute it into Donaghy, particularly against Mayo that year. His distribution is top notch and he holds onto the ball well. But I don't think he has 70 minutes in him, maybe 55 minutes tops.

munster87

Peter Harte’s appeal will be heard tonight, might be able to play yet.

munsterlegend

munster87 wrote: »

Peter Harte’s appeal will be heard tonight, might be able to play yet.

I would think he will definitely get one of them rescinded.

glack

munsterlegend wrote: »

I would think he will definitely get one of them rescinded.

Ya there was one of them that was a very dodgy decision.

Barlett

Bass Reeves wrote: »

That is brilliant Cynical Kerry and no mention of what Mayo is doing. Mayo has had three fairly hard games in a row and are an aging team with huge mileage done. Armagh should have turned them over IMO its a 50/50 game both teams have issue's. Kerry had no bench last year as Fitzmaurice had too many older players on it.

Confidence is great but over confidence can be a problem. The game Kerry had against Cork will have showed Kerry where they have issue and they will have had time to sort those issues. As well Kerry played the last 15-20 minutes with 14 men and still scraped out the result after conceeding some stupid scores. Having said all that Kerry are a young and inexperienced team with even some younger players taht were around for 2-3 years such as Burns not making the team and McCarthy dropped of the panel. As well Geany, Moran and Jack Barry not preforming.

Mayo have struggled against Armagh and should have been beaten except for ref allowing them to run down the clock. They put Galway and Down away fairly comfortably. However Galway have gone down hill since they failed to preform against Monoghan last year. Having said that Mayo look fresher than this time last year and they seem to be playing better. Kerry will struggle with there running game and the way there backs come forward. But I still think its a 50/50 game it will depend on who preforms on the day

I think Kerry are rightly favourites with it being at home & the forward line they possess, but Mayo are very much a team in transition with four new starters in the 15 this year & 2/3 others on the fringe - rather than a team declining with no one coming through. I don’t think struggles in qualifiers are much of a barometer for performances from the last 8 on as Mayo, Tyrone & indeed Kerry have shown in the past. I also really rate Armagh, think they are showing great promise .