2019 All Ireland Senior Football Championship *Mod note: Post #1*

Last Stop

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I'll say it 1 more time...... Dublin play the very vast majority of their championship games in Croke Park.

Is that correct or not?
Simple yes or no.

I’m not even going to bother at this stage. If you choose to be ignorant then that’s your choice

Fast Twitch

Strumms wrote: »

It’s nothing to do with me. The example I’m giving is that for all the so called ‘wealth and advantage’ and amazing facility it’s open to pretty much everyone. There are GAA players from other counties too who live and or work in Dublin and go there...

But Strumms.. a gym is a gym is a gym. It's the weights, the reps, how much you train over 140bpm. Various core exercises. What they get out of the gym is so much more different than you.

I'm sure you're a very fit person. But if you're tic tacing with the All Blacks, as we see at November internationals, their science is really at the cutting edge.

ToBeFrank123

Last Stop wrote: »

How many times does it have to be said. Dublin will play 1 home game in the championship this year. They have chosen to play that in Croke Park as their official home ground (Parnell Park) was not suitable. This is the exact same as Waterford playing in Limerick and Thurles last year. All other games were set by either Leinster council or the GAA. As much as you like to think it the FACT is that Dublin do not have a say in those decisions.

If you want to be really pedantic about it, Dublin should be playing the odd Leinster quarter final at home as they have been forced to play away the last 3/4 years. But don’t let that get in the way of your opinion.

Meaningless semantics. Dublin play all their games in Dublin.
That they nomimate a stadium they never play a championship game in is irrelevant.
It would be like Kerry calling Tralee their real home and Fitzgerald Stadium a neutral ground.
I'm going to leave it at that on this thread as there's plenty other threads to discuss the advantages given to Dublin

Strumms

Mahony0509 wrote: »

Every game Dublin play in the County of Dublin counts as a home game, whether you agree or not, that's a fact. Therefore, your statement is incorrect.

Correct, at home, in a facility capable of facilitating both sets of supporters.

Mahony0509

Last Stop wrote: »

I’m not even going to bother at this stage. If you choose to be ignorant then that’s your choice

Answer ShamoBuc's question yes or no. What's your problem?

ShamoBuc

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I'm not saying anything about home, neutral or away.

The fact is Dublin play the vast majority of their championship games in Croke Park.

Are you saying that don't?

Last Stop wrote: »

I’m not even going to bother at this stage. If you choose to be ignorant then that’s your choice

Are you saying they don't?

Simple question.

ClanofLams

The praise of Cork is a reflection of how ridiculously far ahead Dublin are. Dublin won by 13 and rarely got out of second gear. They lifted it for four or five minutes and went from four ahead to twelve ahead. That’s a Cork team who lost by one to Kerry, one of the leading teams outside Dublin.

Tyrone might give them a game at home next weekend but the only team left to give Dublin a game in Croker is Mayo. They will sweep anyone else aside just as they did last year. Donegal have improved but not made the massive strides needed to compete against Dublin. Barring strange circumstances (early sending off for Dublin,etc) of course.

Dublin are going to win seven/eight championships per decade. That’s the new norm. It will be interesting to see if that is sustainable. Already it has become common for other Leinster counties to have players turning down opportunities to join the senior squad as they have zero chance of winning Leinster title.

Now it is affecting Dublin support, less than 30k there today for a big championship game. GAA officials care about the bottom line more than anything else. The dominance of Dublin is beginning to impact that, if it continues to do so they will take action.

Mahony0509

Strumms wrote: »

Correct, at home, in a facility capable of facilitating both sets of supporters.

Tbf Strumms, the facilitating supporters argument is ridiculous. Thurles can facilitate supporters too.

blowitupref

Not the highest of quality games in Hyde Park but a decent competitive contest all the same and far cry from the total mis-match that was played in Croke Park last year between the two.

Tyrone just that little smarter and match sharper on the day. I thought Roscommon did more that enough to find themselves at least level at half time and any underdog have to take the goal chances that came their way 1st half to stand any chance of causing upset.

Tyrone played their best football in the 2nd half displaying serious strength and conditioning the longer that game went on and once they got Cathal McShane more into the game (held scoreless from play 1st half) there was only going to be one winner. On the balance of play over the 70 plus minutes i thought the 4 point margin was a fair reflection of that match


In the other game Cork threw the kitchen sink at Dublin yet the Dubs still won by a margin or 13 points. The conditioning to allow them to finish games very strongly and the strength of Dublins bench is frightening for the rest. Hard to see past Dublin and Tyrone for 1 and 2 in this group now but hopefully both Cork and Roscommon at least go down fighting.

Last Stop

Mahony0509 wrote: »

Every game Dublin play in the County of Dublin counts as a home game, whether you agree or not, that's a fact. Therefore, your statement is incorrect.

That’s like saying every London team plays more home games than the others because there are at least 6 PL teams in London. As much as the Dubs can control regarding money etc, the can’t control geography for Christ sake.

Mahony0509

Last Stop wrote: »

That’s like saying every London team plays more home games than the others because there are at least 6 PL teams in London. As much as the Dubs can control regarding money etc, the can’t control geography for Christ sake.

That's a ridiculous comparison. Dublin is one team, London has 6+.

bennyl10

Strumms wrote: »

Correct, at home, in a facility capable of facilitating both sets of supporters.

So for Dublin it’s not 1 home, 1 away and 1 Croke park (NEUTRAL)

It’s 2 home and 1 away.
This is an advantage no other team in the country gets.

Parnell is Too small, great, Dublin GAA should redevelop it. They get enough funding to do a great job of it!

Croke Park is not Dublin’s Stadium. It’s the National GAA Stadium!

Last Stop

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Meaningless semantics. Dublin play all their games in Dublin.
That they nomimate a stadium they never play a championship game in is irrelevant.
It would be like Kerry calling Tralee their real home and Fitzgerald Stadium a neutral ground.
I'm going to leave it at that on this thread as there's plenty other threads to discuss the advantages given to Dublin

Your Kerry analogy is actually perfect. So can you tell me why Kerry are playing Mayo in Killarney tomorrow and not Tralee. They played most of their league games in Tralee?

ClanofLams

Last Stop wrote: »

That’s like saying every London team plays more home games than the others because there are at least 6 PL teams in London. As much as the Dubs can control regarding money etc, the can’t control geography for Christ sake.

These soccer analogies are ridiculous. First Wembley now this. Dublin will play every game bar one this year in the same stadium which is more or less in the heart of Dublin city. Just as they have done every year for a long time. Just because the Dublin County Board don’t define it as a ‘home’ ground doesn’t mean it’s not. It is quite clearly a home ground for Dublin and anyone arguing to the contrary of that is being willfully ignorant.

vetinari

Jesus, do we no longer have mods? Pages of rubbish about stadiums.

Cork did better than expected today but were still thrashed. It's a bit brain dead by the Cork manager to put so much effort into the Dublin game. Would have made a lot more sense to target the other 2 games and write this one off.

Strumms

Mahony0509 wrote: »

Tbf Strumms, the facilitating supporters argument is ridiculous. Thurles can facilitate supporters too.

Hardly, if that’s your point why not suggest rotating the All Ireland Final on a yearly basis between the three or four biggest venues ? The Dublin at Croker pissers and moaners would soon change their tune when THEY can’t get a ticket ! :eek:

sportsfan90

As a protest it would be great if next year the other 7 counties that qualify for the Super 8s also nominate Croker as their home venue and see what happens.

Be some laugh seeing the GAA trying to come up with the schedule of fixtures!

None of this is Dublins fault btw, what county wouldn't take every advantage thrown at them!

ShamoBuc

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Are you saying they don't?

Simple question.

I'm guessing you dont want to give a Yes or No answer.

I think we all know why.


We should probably move on , now thats been cleared up.

Last Stop

Mahony0509 wrote: »

That's a ridiculous comparison. Dublin is one team, London has 6+.

It’s a ridiculous comparison because it doesn’t suit your argument. Even if they split Dublin next year into the 4 council areas, all 4 would still nominate Croke Park as their home ground. Correct?

bennyl10

ClanofLams wrote: »

These soccer analogies are ridiculous. First Wembley now this. Dublin will play every game bar one this year in the same stadium which is more or less in the heart of Dublin city. Just as they have done every year for a long time. Just because the Dublin County Board don’t define it as a ‘home’ ground doesn’t mean it’s not. It is quite clearly a home ground for Dublin and anyone arguing to the contrary of that is being willfully ignorant.

The GAA have stressed on many occasions it’s not Dublins home ground.

It’s not a Dublin GAA funded/ran ground. It gives a huge advantage no other county has.

It shouldn’t be treated as such.

ClanofLams

Strumms wrote: »

Hardly, if that’s your point why not suggest rotating the All Ireland Final on a yearly basis between the three or four biggest venues ? The Dublin at Croker pissers and moaners would soon change their tune when THEY can’t get a ticket ! :eek:

Most of them moaners would presumably be Dubs who only bother going to the final anyway.

Last Stop

sportsfan90 wrote: »

As a protest it would be great if next year the other 7 counties that qualify for the Super 8s also nominate Croker as their home venue and see what happens.

Be some laugh seeing the GAA trying to come up with the schedule of fixtures!

None of this is Dublins fault btw.

Finally someone talking sense.

Fr Tod Umptious

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Meaningless semantics. Dublin play all their games in Dublin.
That they nomimate a stadium they never play a championship game in is irrelevant.
It would be like Kerry calling Tralee their real home and Fitzgerald Stadium a neutral ground.
I'm going to leave it at that on this thread as there's plenty other threads to discuss the advantages given to Dublin

I think that is actually the case

Stack's Park Tralee is owned by the Kerry Co Board
Fitzgerald stadium is owned by some sort of a co-op or trust and Kerry GAA rent it .

Last Stop

ClanofLams wrote: »

These soccer analogies are ridiculous. First Wembley now this. Dublin will play every game bar one this year in the same stadium which is more or less in the heart of Dublin city. Just as they have done every year for a long time. Just because the Dublin County Board don’t define it as a ‘home’ ground doesn’t mean it’s not. It is quite clearly a home ground for Dublin and anyone arguing to the contrary of that is being willfully ignorant.

Again ridiculous because they don’t suit the agenda.

Strumms

Anyway, terrific win today, thanks to the players and the terrific support for the entertainment, fair play to Cork for a decent performance and a good scoreboard return.... onwards and upwards.

Last Stop

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I think that is actually the case

Stack's Park Tralee is owned by the Kerry Co Board
Fitzgerald stadium is owned by some sort of a co-op or trust and Kerry GAA rent it .

So the exact same situation as Croke Park and Dublin? They have nominated Fitzgerald’s stadium as their home venue?

ClanofLams

Last Stop wrote: »

Again ridiculous because they don’t suit the agenda.

Ridiculous because they fly in the face of logic. Roscommon will play Dublin in Croker in a few weeks. How many times have Roscommon played there in the last five years? How many times have Dublin?

A rough guess would be two or three versus fifty plus. Trying to argue it is a neutral ground for those two teams is moronic.

Not that it would make any difference to the outcome of this game of course.

Last Stop

ClanofLams wrote: »

Ridiculous because they fly in the face of logic. Roscommon will play Dublin in Croker in a few weeks. How many times have Roscommon played there in the last five years? How many times have Dublin?

A rough guess would be two or three versus fifty plus. Trying to argue it is a neutral ground for those two teams is moronic.

Not that it would make any difference to the outcome of this game of course.

I’m not arguing it’s a neutral ground, I’m arguing that it’s a game in Croke Park. That doesn’t make it a home game for Dublin as you are suggesting.
It just so happens the Dublin have played there more times. Meath have played there more times than Kerry this year so at you suggesting it’s a home game for Meath? If no then it’s back to the London argument, because of the simply geography of the country Dublin play matches closer to home. Yes no one is denying that but that does not make them designated home games.

eagle eye

Children, if you are playing in your own county then every other county will feel you have home advantage. They are right too. Playing in your own county is playing at home. Stadium doesn't matter.

Ace2007

ClanofLams wrote: »

Ridiculous because they fly in the face of logic. Roscommon will play Dublin in Croker in a few weeks. How many times have Roscommon played there in the last five years? How many times have Dublin?

A rough guess would be two or three versus fifty plus. Trying to argue it is a neutral ground for those two teams is moronic.

Not that it would make any difference to the outcome of this game of course.

Given your above statement- I would hazard a guess that the majority of Roscommon players and their families will cherish playing in Croke Park and would love every chance to as they don’t get a chance much