The D15 Local Election Thread

Former Former · 28-05-2019 11:12am

Remind me wrote: »

Presume party affiliated candidates have their posters and leaflets etc... paid by HQ?

They would get a contribution but a lot of the costs would be paid by the candidate.

Remind me · 28-05-2019 11:16am

Former Former wrote: »

They would get a contribution but a lot of the costs would be paid by the candidate.

Really?

So Edward McManus is paying out for the ridiculous amount of posters he has up? Howard Mahoney the same?

It’s about €5 a poster I thought, McManus has hundreds, if not into the lowers thousand

oLoonatic · 28-05-2019 12:15pm

Former Former wrote: »

They would get a contribution but a lot of the costs would be paid by the candidate.

There is absolutely no way first time runners for large parties are paying anything themselves!! Where are you getting that information from.

chucknorris · 28-05-2019 1:08pm

oLoonatic wrote: »

There is absolutely no way first time runners for large parties are paying anything themselves!! Where are you getting that information from.

Majority of party people will have that covered as the seats are strategically important.

If you were say, Jack Chamers, you then have Freddie Cooper covering your arse in Blanch, Tom Kitt covering your arse in Ongar Hartstown and Howard Mahoney covering your arse in Castleknock, with the T.D covering the higher levels stuff. This also applies to FG, Solidarity, Labour and now the Greens.

If you are independent, you are covering it all.

Arciphel · 28-05-2019 1:43pm

I wonder if you didn't get elected would the party then look for the money to be repaid... or if you were to leave the party having not been elected.

Former Former · 28-05-2019 2:44pm

Remind me wrote: »

Really?

So Edward McManus is paying out for the ridiculous amount of posters he has up? Howard Mahoney the same?

It’s about €5 a poster I thought, McManus has hundreds, if not into the lowers thousand

Yep.

I suppose a different question is; where would Aontu get the money for all these posters? They've only existed a wet week, they must have hardly any members, it's not like they're a party that would attract huge corporate donations. If McManus didn't front the cash himself, where did it come from?

Re: Mahony, I don't know. You would expect FF to pay some of it alright, but then why didn't Mags Murray have any? Literally zero, and the FF guys in Ongar and Mulhuddart didn't have half the number that Mahony did.

liamog · 28-05-2019 2:48pm

They're an anti-abortion republican party, I can imagine they are being funded by the usual suspects.

chucknorris · 28-05-2019 3:37pm

Former Former wrote: »

Yep.

I suppose a different question is; where would Aontu get the money for all these posters? They've only existed a wet week, they must have hardly any members, it's not like they're a party that would attract huge corporate donations. If McManus didn't front the cash himself, where did it come from?

Re: Mahony, I don't know. You would expect FF to pay some of it alright, but then why didn't Mags Murray have any? Literally zero, and the FF guys in Ongar and Mulhuddart didn't have half the number that Mahony did.

Mahony is/was a councillor 12 year ago, lost his seat at the time. Ex Garda and a Chambers loyalist. That loyalty was poorly paid back because there was very little support on the canvass from the people who helped chambers. No surprise really because the same behaviour occured in the previous by-election.

Remind me · 28-05-2019 3:54pm

Former Former wrote: »

Yep.

I suppose a different question is; where would Aontu get the money for all these posters? They've only existed a wet week, they must have hardly any members, it's not like they're a party that would attract huge corporate donations. If McManus didn't front the cash himself, where did it come from?

Re: Mahony, I don't know. You would expect FF to pay some of it alright, but then why didn't Mags Murray have any? Literally zero, and the FF guys in Ongar and Mulhuddart didn't have half the number that Mahony did.

Mags Murray didn’t canvass full stop, don’t mind posters!

chucknorris · 28-05-2019 4:06pm

Remind me wrote: »

Mags Murray didn’t canvass full stop, don’t mind posters!

True but not a Chambers lotalist. If one or two people did not run she would have been elected by default. Its mental.

Remind me · 28-05-2019 4:52pm

chucknorris wrote: »

Mahony is/was a councillor 12 year ago, lost his seat at the time. Ex Garda and a Chambers loyalist. That loyalty was poorly paid back because there was very little support on the canvass from the people who helped chambers. No surprise really because the same behaviour occured in the previous by-election.

Saw Chambers around the area quite a bit over the last couple of weeks leading up to Friday. Coolmine station last week being the most recent.

Remind me · 28-05-2019 4:54pm

chucknorris wrote: »

True but not a Chambers lotalist. If one or two people did not run she would have been elected by default. Its mental.

Yeap, just having a party behind you goes a long way to being elected in locals regardless of how little you do.

Nijmegen · 28-05-2019 8:02pm

Remind me wrote: »

Yeap, just having a party behind you goes a long way to being elected in locals regardless of how little you do.

If the Greens had run a candidate in Mulhuddart for example, you could see them grabbing a seat on the basis that they basically won everywhere they ran with a few specific examples in highly sown up wards of missing out.

Caranica · 28-05-2019 10:20pm

Remind me wrote: »

Saw Chambers around the area quite a bit over the last couple of weeks leading up to Friday. Coolmine station last week being the most recent.

He was out with Freddie Cooper in Waterville on the Wednesday.

Have heard locally that Mags Murray hasn't been well, not sure why she didn't withdraw.

[CrimsonGhost] · 28-05-2019 10:34pm

chucknorris wrote: »

Tania Doyle (Ind) - did superbly. great campaign and very engaging and colourful. The oposite of Matt Waine and there is a historic fall out there.

Curious to know what the history is here, can you elaborate?

chucknorris · 29-05-2019 9:09am

[CrimsonGhost] wrote: »

Curious to know what the history is here, can you elaborate?

Other than a split I think its better not to elaborate.

blanch152 · 29-05-2019 10:40am

Nijmegen wrote: »

If the Greens had run a candidate in Mulhuddart for example, you could see them grabbing a seat on the basis that they basically won everywhere they ran with a few specific examples in highly sown up wards of missing out.

At the very least it would have tested the votes ahead of a general election.

chucknorris · 29-05-2019 10:55am

blanch152 wrote: »

At the very least it would have tested the votes ahead of a general election.

You can be sure someone will see an opportunity and jump in to go at it in five years time, but will the green surge die before then?

oLoonatic · 29-05-2019 11:08am

chucknorris wrote: »

You can be sure someone will see an opportunity and jump in to go at it in five years time, but will the green surge die before then?

Thats why leo has already started on about listening to the people after the greens did well in the locals. its the hot topic that they will angle in the next GE, with more money and backing than the greens!

chucknorris · 29-05-2019 11:08am

From Mags Murray.

https://www.facebook.com/CllrMagsMurray

"I have been working since 1979 (40 years), reared a family, and serving my community since 1986 (33 years). But this morning I am applying for Jobseeker's Allowance. I would like to thank Jack Chambers, who's never had a job, for this very special privilege."

Brock Turnpike · 29-05-2019 12:47pm

chucknorris wrote: »

From Mags Murray.

https://www.facebook.com/CllrMagsMurray

"I have been working since 1979 (40 years), reared a family, and serving my community since 1986 (33 years). But this morning I am applying for Jobseeker's Allowance. I would like to thank Jack Chambers, who's never had a job, for this very special privilege."

I've no idea what this is about?

Caranica · 29-05-2019 1:15pm

chucknorris wrote: »

From Mags Murray.

https://www.facebook.com/CllrMagsMurray

"I have been working since 1979 (40 years), reared a family, and serving my community since 1986 (33 years). But this morning I am applying for Jobseeker's Allowance. I would like to thank Jack Chambers, who's never had a job, for this very special privilege."

WOW! Did she delete the post or is it friends only?

chucknorris · 29-05-2019 1:34pm

Caranica wrote: »

WOW! Did she delete the post or is it friends only?

Looks like she deleted it, but it was public rather friends.

Is a screenshot of it allowed here?

oLoonatic · 29-05-2019 1:42pm

chucknorris wrote: »

Looks like she deleted it, but it was public rather friends.

Is a screenshot of it allowed here?

It was a public post, i don't see why not.

chucknorris · 29-05-2019 1:47pm

oLoonatic wrote: »

It was a public post, i don't see why not.

I'll wait a MOD to give it the go ahead before doing so.

L1011 · 29-05-2019 2:15pm

If she was only earning the Councillor salary, she would probably have been on some form of welfare schemes already. Its only 17k.

And if she considers being a Councillor to be a job, she's rather (OK, severely) disingenuous not considering being a TD to be a job too!

LorelaiG · 29-05-2019 3:30pm

chucknorris wrote: »

From Mags Murray.

https://www.facebook.com/CllrMagsMurray

"I have been working since 1979 (40 years), reared a family, and serving my community since 1986 (33 years). But this morning I am applying for Jobseeker's Allowance. I would like to thank Jack Chambers, who's never had a job, for this very special privilege."

I think it's a bit conniving of her to blame Jack Chambers for her not retaining a seat on the council. She didn't put up posters, send out leaflets or canvas and thought she'd win her seat on the fact that people 'know her' from her work on the council. Well they obviously didn't know her that well.

Larbre34 · 29-05-2019 3:31pm

Well the entitled wagon anyway. Nobody owes you a living Margaret.....

Nijmegen · 29-05-2019 3:36pm

There's obviously a lot of internal party wrangling (not that uncommon) behind this. Maybe the reason she didn't have a poster up was because local party funds were withheld for example.

chucknorris · 29-05-2019 3:49pm

Nijmegen wrote: »

There's obviously a lot of internal party wrangling (not that uncommon) behind this. Maybe the reason she didn't have a poster up was because local party funds were withheld for example.

Possible alright. FF have lost a councillor seat in Castleknock as they had two and nearly had three last time out. The FF vote in Mulhuddart and Ongar was very poor compared to previous times. Add it all up and Chambers may have a challenge on his hands in the GE if the Greens and FG do well.

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