John Delaney

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So the great Irish public are copping on at last,or at least I hope so.Someone had to be first and so its John Delaney!........and the two old boys (the 79 yr olds who are stepping down ,away or wherever they are stepping!),Do not say I'm ageist as I cant afford to throw stones being of a certain vintage myself!)
When we have finished with Mr.Delaney perhaps we can then look at others in similar positions.White collar crime is rife in Ireland and yet the poor foreigner or ethnic minority can be put away for blatantly taking something that they havent permission to do!
There is a group of "Untouchables" in Ireland,Business is full of them,Education is full of them (again there are a few here who have "retired " but are now receiving more than when they were on the payroll!).
Wouldnt it be great if all this sh1t was sorted and we actually had more funds to go around so that our ladies team do not have to hand back their tracksuits after a match,so that we could have a level playing field and not be bullied by other sports who have loads of money,so that fair justice could be a factor in all walks of life and so that our children can get their much needed appointment with a specialist etc.................Go after the Fcukers,let Delaney be the first then follow the others in the big sporting organisations,the biscuit tin brigade and do a thorough investigation into the number of ETB staff who have "retired" but are still creaming it off. I reckon if you actually started with education you could clean up quite a bit of the sh1t that goes on and I'm not talking about chasing the poor teacher that has a 4 hour teaching job! The bast*rds that sit on the Boards need sorting!
Whatever happened to "giving back a little " many superb sportspeople do it.Look at the wonderful Séamus Coleman,a role model supreme,unlike some of the old fcukin leeches that are bleeding their associations dry.They are the "UNTOUCHABLES",the dirty rotten shamless morons.

Cienciano

realdanbreen wrote: »

I haven't been paying much attention to the whole Delaney saga as it's dragged on like brexit and was boring the arse off me but most of the
criticism seems to centre on his salary. So what? When I see and hear knobs like
Dunphy and Tony O'Donoghue being critical of him I assume he must be doing
something right. They are about to force the one individual in this country who
has clout and influence in world soccer out of the game, how clever is that But I'll proceed with my ill informed opinion anyway and get numerous basic facts wrong about the entire story.

FYP

Richard Hillman

He's just trying to hang on how he can still be Billy Big Bollocks at Euro2020. No doubt this "investigation" will go on for about a year and 3ish months.

Ray Bloody Purchase

How is his divorce coming along?

realdanbreen

Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »

How is his divorce coming along?

Classy post!

orourkeda1977

storker wrote: »

The Irish women's team having to share tracksuits because the FAI wouldn't buy them their own. Meanwhile JD spends racks up eye-watering hotel bills.

The amount the FAI is paying to cover JD's rent plus his credit card spending, are greater than total LOI prize money.

The FAI becomes so strapped for cash that they need to go to JD for a loan.

You don't need to be involved with football to see that this stinks to high heaven and is yet another example of low standards in high places.

I have something of a problem with this whole situation.

I'm no apologist for John Delaney or the F.A.I. However, when you are being lectured by the Irish Government on standards in corporate governance then you have reached a new low.

These are the people who took twenty years to start the construction of a children's hospital and have allowed overruns to make it the most expensive hospital in world history.

They cant manage an effective national broadband network.

They cant manage an effective national planning system.

Personally, I believe that high level politicians have a right pair of balls on them telling other people how to run their business affairs.

jiltloop

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

I have something of a problem with this whole situation.

I'm no apologist for John Delaney or the F.A.I. However, when you are being lectured by the Irish Government on standards in corporate governance then you have reached a new low.

These are the people who took twenty years to start the construction of a children's hospital and have allowed overruns to make it the most expensive hospital in world history.

They cant manage an effective national broadband network.

They cant manage an effective national planning system.

Personally, I believe that high level politicians have a right pair of balls on them telling other people how to run their business affairs.

In other words because the government is incompetent we should let standards slip everywhere else?

SEPT 23 1989

He is really in the sh1t now

kilns

If he goes he loses all his UEFA and FIFA privledges and he certainly doesnt want to give them up as that is where the real cash lies.

He is waiting till he gets a elected to one of the big roles there and then he will resign from the FAI

Ray Bloody Purchase

realdanbreen wrote: »

Classy post!

Bit of light hearted ribaldry Dan, relax amigo.

BarryD2

Too much power vested in too few people with too little change. Radical overhaul needed and radical rethink of Irish soccer. If we could get past the sectarian mindset, it'd be far better to have one national governing body for the entire island.

EmmetSpiceland

realdanbreen wrote: »

Classy post!

Sure he wouldn’t care too much, he’s got his dolly bird.

Ray Bloody Purchase

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Sure he wouldn’t care too much, he’s got his dolly bird.

Wonder what attracted her to the very well paid Delaney????

storker

This alone should be enough to warrant a purge, surely...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/fai-s-auditors-say-proper-accounting-records-were-not-kept-1.3862310

Snickers Man

MrMusician18 wrote: »

How many have actually gotten off their arses and done anything apart from whinging? How many fans are actually members of the clubs they support? How many take jobs volunteering and doing the hard work? Or are they there whinging and moaning at others saying "you must do better, but I'm not actually going to help".
.........

So maybe the former CEO or board is not the problem, but the attitudes of the people that matter (and the majority up to now), the members of the FAI that have resisted change

Quite right.

Totally bored by the whole "Delaney out!!" mentality. If he's the problem, then maybe there would be some justification for it but it just seems like a typical mob-led brainless soccer faux controversy. You know, to be taken as seriously as any of the moronic terrace chants you get at a typical soccer match.

Bring it down to brass tacks:
What is his job?
What is the FAI's job?
What are the performance indicators?
How well is/are he/they doing?
Is there anybody better to replace him/them?

Comparing soccer in Ireland to the other popular codes of football played here, it does indeed come across as a joke. Look at the way the GAA is embedded deep within the culture and society across the country, from the busiest cities to the most windswept hamlet. Granted, it is an amateur association but the time and effort invested by coaches/club members/parents/administrators throughout the country has its reward in the number of kids actually togging out to play the games every weekend and the crowds you get at Croke Park at the big occasions. It doesn't just happen.

Take a look at the other professional code: rugby. Ireland has been an exemplar of how to turn from an amateurish also-ran to one of the top professional countries in the world. Since the Six Nations started it is the only country to have a parity or winning record against all others in the tournament. OK, England have a better overall win/loss record but we lead them on head to head (11-9) and we are at parity with France (9-9-2) with comfortable winning records against the other three. Does that make us what the Americans call the "winningest team" in the Championship?

Irish provinces have won 7 European Cups (England and France have eight each), all, or nearly all, of our top players play at home and there are other Irish players playing for pro clubs throughout England and France. In terms of developing talent in excess of our needs, Irish rugby is probably equivalent to France in soccer terms.

So why is this? Is it all the fault of the FAI? Can/should they do something about it and are we all agreed on what it should be?

Do we need a stronger league, or are we happy to flog off promising kids to the "academies" of clubs oscillating between the lower half of the Premiership and the top half of the Championship?

Does this not matter as we can always depend on persuading enough English kids with Irish grannies to "declare" for us, and then get really pissed off when they suddenly realise they might be good enough to challenge for a place on the England team and tell us "thanks but no thanks"?

And can we persuade self-important Irish fans to turn their energies away from the Premiership and towards helping to build and develop a pool of talent here instead of bestowing all their energy, enthusiasm and, yes, money on devotion to the likes of United, Arsenal, Chelsea or Liverpool? (Anybody know an Irish soccer fan who supports a team other than these? Apart from a few oul fellas in their 50s who still hanker after Leeds from their glory days)

But Irish soccer fans tend to have a sniffy attitude to local soccer. The likes of Bohemians or Dundalk do not accurately reflect the self-important high-achieving image these people have of themselves. They would much rather use the royal "We" to describe their relationship with one of the glitzy, globalised, awash-with-dirty-money corporate entities I mentioned.

How is that going to develop talent, build a strong soccer culture or give the game any true connection to players and fans here? I exempt of course from this criticism the minority of fans who DO put their heart and soul into supporting local soccer but if your primary concern is the fate of Mo Salah or Firmino or Eden Hazard, at least for as long as he's contracted to your bauble of choice, then you really can't complain if Irish soccer continues its slide down the U-bend.

But yeah, it's all Delaney's fault.

"Delaney Ouh!! Ouh, NOW!!" :rolleyes:

(You can see why they won't let me on the soccer forum )

ToBeFrank123

I believe John's father left the FAI only when he died and was carried out in a coffin (or not far off it). Which is how John eventually came to get the top job in the FAI. John seems to be holding out for the same fate, along with the rest of the board.

The FAI board more and more resembles a Soviet era politbureau with old men replaced only when they die off.

Snickers Man

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I believe John's father left the FAI only when he died and was carried out in a coffin

Joe Delaney is still alive, AFAIK.

Richard Hillman

Auditors report FAI for breaking company law https://jrnl.ie/4594241

Oh, it's real trouble now.

kilns

So the FAI were reported by Auditors for not filing official accounts, there is now no option but for every single one of the board including the Delaney to resign.

No pay off for Delaney too as this would represent gross misconduct and fraud

valoren

on legal advice = I plead the fifth = if I say anything I'm in serious trouble

EmmetSpiceland

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Auditors report FAI for breaking company law https://jrnl.ie/4594241

Oh, it's real trouble now.

The auditors are just throwing them under a bus so that no one looks at their own practices and involvement in all of this.

Stinks the same as the rating agencies who took the silver and gave AAA+ ratings to worthless bonds.

kilns

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

The auditors are just throwing them under a bus so that no one looks at their own practices and involvement in all of this.

Stinks the same as the rating agencies who took the silver and gave AAA+ ratings to worthless bonds.

Auditors in general need to be looked at, no doubt they turned a blind eye to this when it happened but they are getting in before it was uncovered by a journalist. Arent Auditors also the ones who allowed Anglo Irish away with their shady dealing too

storker

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/ross-reveals-entire-fai-board-to-step-down-while-auditors-say-proper-accounting-records-not-kept-38021045.html

But note:
"Honorary Secretary Michael Cody and Honorary Treasurer Eddie Murray resigned from their roles yesterday and John Delaney is no longer a board member since he changed from CEO to Executive Vice President."

So the entire board is going, but JD is still going to be there? *Boggle*

seamus

kilns wrote: »

Auditors in general need to be looked at, no doubt they turned a blind eye to this when it happened but they are getting in before it was uncovered by a journalist.

It's worse than that for the auditors.

The shambles of the treasurer in the Oireachtas enquiry showed a complete lack of proper corporate governance.

The guy who's job is cash flow management, didn't know how many bank accounts the organisation had and was unaware of a €100,000 loan that had allegedly been taken to sort out cash flow problems.

That's not a one-off. That's a clear indicator that the organisation was doing whatever it liked - which means that whoever was auditing it was not doing their own job properly.

Once that was exposed in the Oireachtas enquiry, the auditors moved suspiciously quickly to raise flags. Funny how these breaches were reported after the enquiry rather than before. Serendipity I suppose.

amcalester

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I believe John's father left the FAI only when he died and was carried out in a coffin (or not far off it). Which is how John eventually came to get the top job in the FAI. John seems to be holding out for the same fate, along with the rest of the board.

The FAI board more and more resembles a Soviet era politbureau with old men replaced only when they die off.

His dad left when he was caught in some shady dealings with a ticket tout.

The apple didn't fall far from the tree.

ToBeFrank123

Snickers Man wrote: »

Joe Delaney is still alive, AFAIK.

Fair enough, I stand corrected. I don't remember the exact details because it seems like a lifetime now that John has been on the FAI board. All I remember is that after his father left, his son was elected onto the board without much in the way of outside interviewing and in keeping with the finest traditions of nepotism.

Also, Delaney Jnr inherited a very good structure with some very good players playing at top clubs in the UK.

The measure of his performance is that we now have no players in the top 4 or 5 UK clubs.

This feeds into the performance of the national team.

So by that measure Delaney has been a failure, a failure to ensure we produced world class soccer players here.

Ray Bloody Purchase

kilns wrote: »

Auditors in general need to be looked at, no doubt they turned a blind eye to this when it happened but they are getting in before it was uncovered by a journalist. Arent Auditors also the ones who allowed Anglo Irish away with their shady dealing too

Ernst and Young were auditors for Allied i think. They now go under 'EY' as an effort to rebrand i think.

JohnnyFlash

Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »

Ernst and Young were auditors for Allied i think. They now go under 'EY' as an effort to rebrand i think.

And now are trying to ‘pivot’ by pretending they are an IT advisory and consultancy organisation- selling pipe dreams and expensive reports to companies telling them they need a blockchain and process automation strategy. Shower of chancers.

feargale

realdanbreen wrote: »

I haven't been paying much attention to the whole Delaney saga as it's dragged on like brexit and was boring the arse off me but most of the criticism seems to centre on his salary. So what? When I see and hear knobs like Dunphy and Tony O'Donoghue being critical of him I assume he must be doing something right. They are about to force the one individual in this country who has clout and influence in world soccer out of the game, how clever is that?

As clever as wanting to get rid of other big clouters such as Putin or Trump. People as "patriotic" as yourself wouldn't approve.

MrMusician18

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Fair enough, I stand corrected. I don't remember the exact details because it seems like a lifetime now that John has been on the FAI board. All I remember is that after his father left, his son was elected onto the board without much in the way of outside interviewing and in keeping with the finest traditions of nepotism.

Also, Delaney Jnr inherited a very good structure with some very good players playing at top clubs in the UK.

The measure of his performance is that we now have no players in the top 4 or 5 UK clubs.

This feeds into the performance of the national team.

So by that measure Delaney has been a failure, a failure to ensure we produced world class soccer players here.

That's the important bit. Who elected him, and reelected him?

The performance of the senior team is a very narrow definition of success or failure btw

realdanbreen

feargale wrote: »

realdanbreen wrote: »

I haven't been paying much attention to the whole Delaney saga as it's dragged on like brexit and was boring the arse off me but most of the criticism seems to centre on his salary. So what? When I see and hear knobs like Dunphy and Tony O'Donoghue being critical of him I assume he must be doing something right. They are about to force the one individual in this country who has clout and influence in world soccer out of the game, how clever is that?

As clever as wanting to get rid of other big clouters such as Putin or Trump. People as "patriotic" as yourself wouldn't approve.

ðŸ˜So you want to go after Trump & Putin as well, you must be my brother Sylvest!

seamus

Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »

Ernst and Young were auditors for Allied i think. They now go under 'EY' as an effort to rebrand i think.

Nah, that was actually just timing. The "EY" thing was a global rebrand. The goings-on of their tiny Irish holdings wouldn't make a global corporate rebrand.
They felt that "Ernst & Young" was far too stuffy; sounded far too much like a 1980s business parody; Statler & Waldorf; compared to their contemporaries.

PricewaterhouseCoopers had changed to "PwC", Deloitte & Touche became "Deloitte", KPMG had been there for years. So "Ernst & Young" was way behind the pack.

realdanbreen

seamus wrote: »

Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »

Ernst and Young were auditors for Allied i think. They now go under 'EY' as an effort to rebrand i think.

Nah, that was actually just timing. The "EY" thing was a global rebrand. The goings-on of their tiny Irish holdings wouldn't make a global corporate rebrand.
They felt that "Ernst & Young" was far too stuffy; sounded far too much like a 1980s business parody; Statler & Waldorf; compared to their contemporaries.

PricewaterhouseCoopers had changed to "PwC", Deloitte & Touche became "Deloitte", KPMG had been there for years. So "Ernst & Young" was way behind the pack.

Not so. The fallout from the ballsup by 'the tiny Irish holding' which saw billions wiped out sent shock waves through the corporate world. Changing to EY was only part of the repercussions to hit that firm.

D.Q

All this over a few tennis balls.

daheff

D.Q wrote: »

All this over a few tennis balls.

and who got rich off the tennis balls?? huh? follow the money sheeple

/paranoid rant :pac::pac:

ToBeFrank123

MrMusician18 wrote: »

That's the important bit. Who elected him, and reelected him?

The performance of the senior team is a very narrow definition of success or failure btw

Good question. The Board are now saying they are stepping down and will facilitate open and transparent elections. That sounds like a third world dictator saying they will facilitate open and transparent elections!

Who votes in these elections? Hopefully all previous board members including Delaney are banned from running otherwise it just becomes a farce.

You have to peel these guys fingers off their grip on power and influence. I'm sure they are hoping with a bit of jiggery-pokery the public will soon forget all this and the board members can get back to being the blazers in first class.

ToddyDoody

He did wonders for the women's game.

But seriously though, can we not get someone cheeper?

stoneill

Irregardless of where the money for his salary originated, if your getting paid 30,000 a month, you should be performing to a 30,000 a month level, JD was not.

Wanderer2010

It must be fashionable to denounce Delaney now as even Eamonn Dunphy is at it. And not a peep out of him the last few years, Hes a very odd one, spends his life ranting at how bad Ireland is, despite him having a very comfortable lifestyle and no doubt planning to live and die in this very country.

Then he turned on Roy Keane after years of worshipping him...

ifElseThen

http://www.soccer-ireland.com/irish-football-history/merriongate.htm

Interesting reading about his Da

ifElseThen

http://www.soccer-ireland.com/irish-football-history/merriongate.htm

Interesting reading about his Da

ifElseThen

http://www.soccer-ireland.com/irish-football-history/merriongate.htm

Interesting reading about his Da

Augme

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

It must be fashionable to denounce Delaney now as even Eamonn Dunphy is at it. And not a peep out of him the last few years, Hes a very odd one, spends his life ranting at how bad Ireland is, despite him having a very comfortable lifestyle and no doubt planning to live and die in this very country.

Then he turned on Roy Keane after years of worshipping him...

He's spent the last few weeks defending Delaney.

Ray Bloody Purchase

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

And now are trying to ‘pivot’ by pretending they are an IT advisory and consultancy organisation- selling pipe dreams and expensive reports to companies telling them they need a blockchain and process automation strategy. Shower of chancers.

You sound like an expert in Blockchain and the like Johnny, i'll leave that to you and the rest of eggheads.

The likes of EY and Deloitte make a fortune out of using the same glossy template for audits for all the companies that they work for. Churning out the same report with de rigeur terms and phrases and charging big bucks for it.

Companies lap it up and their boards then consider themselves 'compliant.'

It was interesting to see the way the wind changed with the FAI audit after board members sh1t the bed when questioned at hearings.

Jurgen Klopp

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

John Delaney could run anything. John Delaney could run UEFA easily. He could run FIFA as far as I’m concerned.

You know I can't believe it took me this long to cop the first letter of each word of your username spells out TROL

:P

feargale

realdanbreen wrote: »

ðŸ˜So you want to go after Trump & Putin as well, you must be my brother Sylvest!

Very clever debating tactic there! That should trip them up at the UCD L&H. It might even win the gold medal at the TCD Philosophical Society.

JohnnyFlash

Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »

You sound like an expert in Blockchain and the like Johnny, i'll leave that to you and the rest of eggheads.

The likes of EY and Deloitte make a fortune out of using the same glossy template for audits for all the companies that they work for. Churning out the same report with de rigeur terms and phrases and charging big bucks for it.

Companies lap it up and their boards then consider themselves 'compliant.'

It was interesting to see the way the wind changed with the FAI audit after board members sh1t the bed when questioned at hearings.

Or one of these firms will assist in creating and scoring a tender, and another one of them will come in to carry out the report when the overall bill is 3 times what was estimated.

The report will cost half a million, and the recommendation will include hiring a load of their consultants to assist. They tell you what’s wrong and then tell you they are the cure.

It’s hard to underestimate how negative an impact the likes of Deloitte, EY, Accenture etc have on the world.

Cienciano

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

You know I can't believe it took me this long to cop the first letter of each word of your username spells out TROL

:P

It's a direct quote from Denis O'Brien about John Delaney.

ToBeFrank123

stoneill wrote: »

Irregardless of where the money for his salary originated, if your getting paid 30,000 a month, you should be performing to a 30,000 a month level, JD was not.

That's not including the ~80k expenses plus 36k benefit in kind accommodation.

His actual total remuneration was closer to 500k. And who knows if that includes pension contributions, healthcare contributions and so on.

Something tells me there is a lot more to this story and once proper auditors, the Revenue Commissioners and the new Board get involved more will emerge. Who knows what shenanigans they were up to.

Snow Garden

Obviously the 100k loan was to hide the money from his estranged wife but look at how much that loan is costing the FAI in terms of consultants and retrospective investigations! They need to sack him asap.