Author John Boyne receives abuse from strangers on Twitter

Zorya

B0jangles wrote: »

You are entitled to your opinion of course, but it's sounds an awful lot like the same sort of slippery-slope fearmongering that was so prevalent when gay people were fighting for their rights, and when women were fighting for theirs. I know there were plenty of people who were very vocally opposed to those rights being granted who equally could cite gay people they knew, women they knew who were opposed to this divisive and dangerous battle for equality.

It's not though. But labelling it as a slippery slope fear mongering is an attempt to shut down opinion other than the accepted. Likewise labelling an opposing view as some kind of Uncle Tom position.

Some very dangerous ideologies have hitched their wagon to gay rights and the feminist movement.

Time will tell how things pan out, I guess.

AndrewJRenko

B0jangles wrote: »

Most trans people want to live quiet, ordinary lives - they should not be endlessly forced to defend their right to simply publically exist because some people have objections to the effect such recognition has on their own philosophical framework. Philosophy is a tool, not a religion.

Zorya wrote: »

Because trans activism is largely made up of very noisy intolerant ideologues promoting unscientific, political theories which are leading to unthinkable irremediable damage being done at the present time to vulnerable and impressionable sections of our society.

Interesting choices of words - it's almost as if the real problem some people have with some trans people is their loudness - that they're not ashamed of their situation hiding behind their net curtains - that they're prepared to be out and loud, and to ease the journey for those coming behind them.

Some people really haven't moved beyond the old Ireland 'valley of the squinting windows' thinking.

Il Fascista

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Interesting choices of words - it's almost as if the real problem some people have with some trans people is their loudness - that they're not ashamed of their situation hiding behind their net curtains - that they're prepared to be out and loud, and to ease the journey for those coming behind them.

Some people really haven't moved beyond the old Ireland 'valley of the squinting windows' thinking.

The problem is though is that they're doing the opposite of that by being so totalitarian in their approach.

sk8erboii

Il Fascista wrote: »

The problem is though is that they're doing the opposite of that by being so totalitarian in their approach.

What? Do you even know what totalitarian means?

Cause im not seeing any transgender death squads or political parties controlling the judiciary

AndrewJRenko

Il Fascista wrote: »

The problem is though is that they're doing the opposite of that by being so totalitarian in their approach.

One would think that your username would suggest a good understanding of what 'totalitarian' means, but apparently not.

Again, one can only assume that some people have a real problem with transgender people choose to stick their heads above the parapet. It seems that some people would prefer us to be locking up our 'problem people' in laundries and baby homes.

JohnnyFlash

Gibson Lazy Pita wrote: »

Look at this misandric sh1t and all the support it gets:

https://twitter.com/MaxHomo/status/996724431908147206?s=19

Absolutely despicable. So would they like to inflict that punishment on their fathers/brothers/uncles/grandfathers/male cousins? :rolleyes:

What is it about fat and ugly women that makes them so angry?

The J Stands for Jay

punisher5112 wrote: »

I don't give a fcuk who you are but if you are actually a male and you are in women's toilets then you should be done.

I don't care if you wake up today and say ah sure I'm female today or tomorrow ah sure I'm an it or whatever you want to call yourself.

Simple you were born with a penis or a vagina....

So if you want to dress differently nock yourself out I couldn't give a rat's a#s....

I think the world is going to actually end up completely backwards if things keep going the way they are.

God help us when this lad encounters unisex toilets.

Zorya

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

What is it about fat and ugly women that makes them so angry?

I imagine Gimme as very pretty. You, on the other hand...... :pac:

AndrewJRenko

Zorya wrote: »

I imagine Gimme as very pretty. You, on the other hand...... :pac:

Perhaps Johnny should post his own photo so we can make a fair comparison?

JohnnyFlash

Zorya wrote: »

I imagine Gimme as very pretty. You, on the other hand...... :pac:

I wasn’t talking about Gimme; I was talking about the absolute hellbeasts and swamp donkeys replying and agreeing with that tweet. There’s a strong correlation between how angry they were and how fat and ugly they were.

AndrewJRenko

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I wasn’t talking about Gimme; I was talking about the absolute hellbeasts and swamp donkeys replying and agreeing with that tweet. There’s a strong correlation between how angry they were and how fat and ugly they were.

Any chance of photo of your good self Johnny, just for a fair comparison? Pots and black kettles and all that.

JohnnyFlash

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Any chance of photo of your good self Johnny, just for a fair comparison? Pots and black kettles and all that.

Post a photo of myself on this? Not a chance, pal. Don’t do social media - happy enough with life without having to post about every moment and feeling I have.

All I’m saying is most of the people on that twitter post were hideous looking people with hideous opinions. The fücking tide wouldn’t take them out.

DEFTLEFTHAND

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

What is it about fat and ugly women that makes them so angry?

Same as fat and ugly men.

They resent the good looking, well adjusted people.

The people who do well in life.

James Brown

Dante7 wrote: »

John Boyne has written a book about a trans kid transitioning and he has been forced to leave Twitter because of the abuse he has received. His crime is apparently misgendering and also saying that he objects to being forced to use the word cis.

The silver lining here is that a lot of mainstream Irish authors are now realising that the trans cult are lunatics.

your ignorance won't help any discussion either.

Zorya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L240CPOJ6FM

This woman is a highly qualified scientist. Nonetheless she claims a mother can know when handed her newborn infant that they are transgender.

What a scary fcuking person this woman is. She is proposing gender surgery - ie the removal of womb, ovaries, breasts, testes and penis - in children younger than 18.

She is Dr. Tandy Aye, a Pediatric Endocrinologist at Stanford Children’s Health and is the Medical Director of their Pediatric and Adolescent Gender Clinic.

AndrewJRenko

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Post a photo of myself on this? Not a chance, pal. Don’t do social media - happy enough with life without having to post about every moment and feeling I have.

All I’m saying is most of the people on that twitter post were hideous looking people with hideous opinions. The fücking tide wouldn’t take them out.

But you're an oil painting, right? God's gift to women, presumably?

Franz Von Peppercorn

Talking about women maybe we should allow women to continue the discussion on this thread. This issue largely affects them.

B0jangles

Woman here, no problem with trans women or trans men, no problem with describing my self as cisgendered if the occasion warrants the usage.

I don't think doing so robs me of anything or is a slippery slope towards any kind of terrifyingly dystopian future in which criminals will be using fake I.D.'s to trick the Gen-O-Scan into letting them into the 'wrong' toilet.

AndrewJRenko

Zorya wrote: »

She is Dr. Tandy Aye, a Pediatric Endocrinologist at Stanford Children’s Health and is the Medical Director of their Pediatric and Adolescent Gender Clinic.

Are you expecting her to be practicing in Ireland anywhere soon, or are we looking to worry about every possible risk or danger from around the world? Because if we are, there are a lot bigger risks and dangers out there than doctors who are pushing the boundaries of their medical treatments.

Or once again, is it just this particular issue that is associated with the irresistible temptation to import problems?

Franz Von Peppercorn

B0jangles wrote: »

Woman here, no problem with trans women or trans men, no problem with describing my self as cisgendered if the occasion warrants the usage.

I don't think doing so robs me of anything or is a slippery slope towards any kind of terrifyingly dystopian future in which criminals will be using fake I.D.'s to trick the Gen-O-Scan into letting them into the 'wrong' toilet.

Well the biological males in the wrong (or ‘wrong’) toilet don’t have to be criminals or indeed use a fake id. Under Irish law at least it’s just a matter of getting self identified. Then the Id isn’t fake.

To be fair, as Andrew has pointed out before, this hasn’t had much effect in Ireland so it’s fairly moot here.

Zorya

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

To be fair, as Andrew has pointed out before, this hasn’t had much effect in Ireland so it’s fairly moot here.

One hundred Irish children have been sent to England over the past three years to be assessed at a clinic caught in a controversy over fast-tracking gender transition.

The Tavistock Clinic in London, the main gender clinic for children in Ireland and England, is under the spotlight after the resignation of whistle-blowing clinicians who claim children were being incorrectly diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

The most recent figures released from the English clinic's Gender Identity Development Services show that 38 Irish children attended their service from June 2017 to June 2018, while 35 children were referred the previous year.

Since 2010, 117 boys and girls from Ireland have been referred to the specialist NHS clinic in London which treats transgender children; and in the past three years there has been a sharp rise in referrals of children feeling unhappy about their biological sex.

The children, aged eight to 17, are initially psychologically assessed in the Tavistock Clinic in the UK while treatment, which can involve puberty blockers in some cases, is now mainly carried out in the Our Lady's Children's Hospital in Dublin.

Consultant Psychotherapist Marcus Evans, one of the former governors of the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust, resigned over concerns that the youth gender clinic was too quick to give children and young people gender reassignment treatment.

Dr Evans, who had a 34-year association with the trust, said he believed the clinic needed oversight from an independent body.

"I do not have confidence, and that's why I resigned, that the trust is taking the necessary steps to make sure that children are being adequately cared for," he said.

He added that staff in the Tavistock's Gender Identity Development Services were raising concerns that there was "not enough of a thorough investigation of what was wrong with these kids" and that they were "being fast-tracked".

Children can be treated with hormone blockers to stop puberty and from the age of 16 cross-sex hormones of either oestrogen or testosterone can be prescribed which will cause some irreversible changes to the body.

"There's pressure to come down all the time, younger and younger. Why can't we stop hormone development that comes with adolescence earlier and earlier?" said Dr Evans.

He said people find it difficult to speak out because of the fear of being accused of being transphobic. "It's tyrannised by the fear of being accused of being transphobic.

"I'm not transphobic," said Dr Evans. "I'm standing up for what I think is good medical practice."

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/irish-children-sent-to-london-clinic-caught-in-gender-storm-38012757.html

strandroad

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Well the biological males in the wrong (or ‘wrong’) toilet don’t have to be criminals or indeed use a fake id. Under Irish law at least it’s just a matter of getting self identified. Then the Id isn’t fake.

Does anyone seriously believe that a man would go through a process of false trans-identification to walk into a women's bathroom to assault a woman? When he can do it on any day he wishes anyway?

BBFAN

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Talking about women maybe we should allow women to continue the discussion on this thread. This issue largely affects them.

In what way is a man being bullied off Twitter a womens issue?

B0jangles

A person who is determined to commit a sexual assault in a toilet does not need the cover of claiming to be trans to do so. Claiming to be trans does not give someone a free pass to behave inappropriately in a toilet.

Any trans people I've spoken to on the subject of public toilets (you can imagine how often that comes up in casual chat), just want to use whatever bathroom they can use with the minimum chance of being confronted. They just want to go to the loo in peace. Like everyone else does.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Zorya wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/irish-children-sent-to-london-clinic-caught-in-gender-storm-38012757.html

I was talking about the limited effect self id has had here, so far.

Franz Von Peppercorn

B0jangles wrote: »

A person who is determined to commit a sexual assault in a toilet does not need the cover of claiming to be trans to do so. Claiming to be trans does not give someone a free pass to behave inappropriately in a toilet.

Any trans people I've spoken to on the subject of public toilets (you can imagine how often that comes up in casual chat), just want to use whatever bathroom they can use with the minimum chance of being confronted. They just want to go to the loo in peace. Like everyone else does.

Alright. If that’s the majority opinion amongst women then so be it.

It would seem fairly obvious that the existance of self identification makes policing this a bit tougher than before since the biological male in the toilet (or changing room) could previously have been asked to leave, given his obvious maleness, and now cannot. Nobody is walking around with passports.

However as I said, it has little effect on me personally.

strandroad

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Alright. If that’s the majority opinion amongst women then so be it.

It would seem fairly obvious that the existance of self identification makes policing this a bit tougher than before since the biological male in the toilet (or changing room) could previously have been asked to leave, given his obvious maleness, and now cannot. Nobody is walking around with passports.

However as I said, it has little effect on me personally.

Anyone who misbehaves can and should be asked to leave. Trans papers won't hinder or help. People who behave don't bother me in any way...

BBFAN

Jesus H Christ again "what has the OP got to do with toilets???".

People on boards are obsessed with the toilet issue.

Gimme A Pound

RWCNT wrote: »

Couldn't that be said about numerous derogatory comments made about particular groups though? I mean, yeah, he doesn't mean it literally, but it's still a very inflammatory and unnecessary thing to say. And where is the humour? It doesn't seem so light-hearted. Usually the source of humour is when something has a kernel of truth to it. What's so terrible about the men of Ireland as a collective? The tweet related to Repeal The 8th. What was the go at men for? Aren't there several women opposed to abortion? (And who are entitled to their opinion). It's not like all today's men are responsible for the eighth amendment.

I know statements like "The most discriminated against group in the West is white, straight men" are stupid, but it is just a clumsy way of saying "White straight men are fair game at times" which they are. If that tweet were made about any other group, it simply wouldn't be tolerated. Easy target. Lazy and cheap tweet, but shur he got plenty of likes and retweets.

And since he's gay, I doubt he means himself.

Misogyny isn't acceptable and neither should this toxic crap be. At a selfish level, I hate the way those women prove woman haters' point. They demand respect from men, then endorse stuff that completely denigrates men and just creates further resentment from those with an axe to grind.

Zorya wrote: »

I imagine Gimme as very pretty.

Oh you... x

RWCNT

Gibson Lazy Pita wrote: »

Couldn't that be said about numerous derogatory comments made about particular groups though? I mean, yeah, he doesn't mean it literally, but it's still a very inflammatory and unnecessary thing to say. And where is the humour? It doesn't seem so light-hearted. Usually the source of humour is when something has a kernel of truth to it. What's so terrible about the men of Ireland as a collective? The tweet related to Repeal The 8th. What was the go at men for? Aren't there several women opposed to abortion? (And who are entitled to their opinion). It's not like all today's men are responsible for the eighth amendment.

I know statements like "The most discriminated against group in the West is white, straight men" are stupid, but it is just a clumsy way of saying "White straight men are fair game at times" which they are. If that tweet were made about any other group, it simply wouldn't be tolerated. Easy target. Lazy and cheap tweet, but shur he got plenty of likes and retweets.

And since he's gay, I doubt he means himself.

Misogyny isn't acceptable and neither should this toxic crap be. At a selfish level, I hate the way those women prove woman haters' point. They demand respect from men, then endorse stuff that completely denigrates men and just creates further resentment from those with an axe to grind.

Oh you... x

Yeah, of course it could, this clearly is a joke though. I'm a fan of irreverent humour, especially when it's dark. Never quite grew out of that particular aspect of my edgy teen persona no matter how much of a namby pamby lefty bollix I might be these days!

As for where the humour is, for me it's just the sheer mean spirited edgyness of it, along with the absurdity aspect since the situation proposed is so ridiculous. I got the impression it was probably part of a thread but didn't see the other tweets, so don't know enough of the context to assess whether his thoughts on Irish men have any validity.

"And since he's gay I doubt he means himself"????? Absolutely no idea what you're getting at there to be honest, gay men are men. And that's another reason Im OK with the joke and disagree with your assertion that if that joke were about any other group it wouldn't be tolerated. Black comedians make fun of black people all the time. Same with Indian comedians, trans comedians, gay comedians and so on. I actually agree with you about white men being seen as "fair game" these days and while I don't find it offensive, as I can't say I've ever found living as a white man to be a struggle, I do find it a cringy and lazy source of humour.

This joke is an exception for me as its a man making it.

Gimme A Pound

Yeah fair enough - I just find it needlessly polarising. The women slapping him on the back are worse imo.

The reason I mentioned that he's gay is I'm confident he just means straight men - how could blame for the eighth amendment be placed at the door of gay men?

I know I'd think "self loathing internalised misogynist" if a woman tweeted such a thing about women.

NewbridgeIR

He's an awful person; full of condescension and hate.

Wibbs

RWCNT wrote: »

"And since he's gay I doubt he means himself"????? Absolutely no idea what you're getting at there to be honest, gay men are men. And that's another reason Im OK with the joke and disagree with your assertion that if that joke were about any other group it wouldn't be tolerated. Black comedians make fun of black people all the time. Same with Indian comedians, trans comedians, gay comedians and so on. I actually agree with you about white men being seen as "fair game" these days and while I don't find it offensive, as I can't say I've ever found living as a white man to be a struggle, I do find it a cringy and lazy source of humour.

This joke is an exception for me as its a man making it.

A Gay man. He may be a man, but his gayness is very much informing things and what audience he's looking for and what focus he's pushing. It's pretty obvious. I've met the type more than once, though thank christ they're a minority within the Gay community(although are too bloody loud within it and too many outside the community often tend to judge the rest by the type). The bitchy queens with extra edgelord topping. They're beyond tiresome in the flesh, though handily tend to retract like a snails eye at the merest resistance and WTF did you just come out with? Though they tend to get away with this guff, because they know their audience and seek it out.

NewbridgeIR wrote: »

He's an awful person; full of condescension and hate.

I dunno. Again going from my own experience though in fairness a small enough sample group, that kinda shite from the type above is more defensive "banter" and looking for inclusion in a group masquerading as humour than anything. Understandable on a few levels if you've had to grow up being regularly pilloried just for being Gay. I've found it's more reactive a thing. The joke being that of all the subcultures of "maleness" I've encountered in my days from adolescent rugger buggers through arse crack builders, among the worst misogynists were the bitchy queen types, particularly towards Gay women. The nastiness I've heard aimed at those women.

CroatoanCat

This article makes several pertinent points and has some useful links.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/the-author-john-boyne-was-wrong-to-pander-to-trans-activists/amp/

AndrewJRenko

Zorya wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/irish-children-sent-to-london-clinic-caught-in-gender-storm-38012757.html

What's your point? Do you have a concern about the treatment being given at Our Lady's in Crumlin?

TheValeyard

Heard him on the radio this morning. He made some very good points in regard to Twitter and fairly ripped apart that lady who accused him of cis white privilege.

Ipso

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Heard him on the radio this morning. He made some very good points in regard to Twitter and fairly ripped apart that lady who accused him of cis white privilege.

Is cis white a kind of mixed race?

applehunter

Someone told me Tubridy give him a bj live on air this morning.

Can't be true?