Extinction Rebellion Ireland

Hector Savage

Emissions could significantly drop in the morning if people changed their lifestyles ... they won't it's easier to virtue signal and DEMAND the govt. do something (ie tax the **** outta us)

blinding

abcabc123123 wrote: »

The government ensuring a just transition is one of XR Ireland's three central demands.

Translation = Tax the poor to make some wealthy people feel better about themselves .

I am sure after consideration that , Wealthy People will say ‘ We’ll get this “ ;)

vladmydad

abcabc123123 wrote: »

The government ensuring a just transition is one of XR Ireland's three central demands.

And of course you support nuclear power which is CO2 free ?

blinding

Hector Savage wrote: »

Emissions could significantly drop in the morning if people changed their lifestyles ... they won't it's easier to virtue signal and DEMAND the govt. do something (ie tax the **** outta us)

Put away the Private Jets today .

abcabc123123

vladmydad wrote: »

And of course you support nuclear power which is CO2 free ?

XR doesn't have positions on individual policies. That isn't the purpose of XR; it's not a political party. The purpose of it, which I think it has done well so far, is to act as an alarm bell and draw attention to the seriousness of the problem.

I personally don't know enough about nuclear to have a position on it.

blinding wrote: »

Translation = Tax the poor to make some wealthy people feel better about themselves .

I am sure after consideration that , Wealthy People will say ‘ We’ll get this “ ;)

Untrue

Beechwoodspark

Tax the carbon emitters exponentially

Aviation industry
Car industry
Heavy polluting industry

It’s not about taxing the poor, just the worst offenders emission wise

Micky 32

abcabc123123 wrote: »

The government ensuring a just transition is one of XR Ireland's three central demands.

All ye f**** want is petrol and diesel at10 euros a litre. Shut down Dublin airport and restrict peoples freedoms, make poor people poorer because food and services will sky rocket because of the cost of deliveries due to trucks doing 8mpg, then the struggle to heat their homes. Then we have that person in power threathening to raise carbon taxes every year he is in power..

Sure it will be grand for you because i suspect you have a huge salary or a huge bank account or both...

vladmydad

This is what proper protesting looks like by brave people wanting more freedoms, not a bunch of leftists using climate change to push socialism https://mobile.twitter.com/cnni/status/1181156116014796800

blinding

I don’t think extinction rebellion know whether they are coming or going !

They are attacking Public Transport = The best Green way to travel .

They are putting the backs up of ordinary people by causing them problems while keeping away from the 1% that have beniffited most from the policies they are complaining about .

vladmydad

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Tax the carbon emitters exponentially

Aviation industry
Car industry
Heavy polluting industry

It’s not about taxing the poor, just the worst offenders emission wise

They’ll pass the cost on to us. Only the rich will be able to travel.

Beechwoodspark

And no I don’t want to shut down the airport

I do want it to reduce and curtail operations over the coming years

Green tax on all carriers
Green levy on all individual tickets

Reduction of flights by 20percent over the next 3 years.

I’m all for aviation once it is carbon neutral btw

Hector Savage

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Tax the carbon emitters exponentially

Aviation industry
Car industry
Heavy polluting industry

It’s not about taxing the poor, just the worst offenders emission wise

100% agree, tax the lads buying SUV's, problem is they won't they will make far more money if they just tax EVERYBODY.

And of course the frustrating thing is the money will just be abused by the corrupt govt, it won't change anything.

vladmydad

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

And no I don’t want to shut down the airport

I do want it to reduce and curtail operations over the coming years

Green tax on all carriers
Green levy on all individual tickets

Reduction of flights by 20percent over the next 3 years.

I’m all for aviation once it is carbon neutral btw

Who made you king

Topgear on Dave

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

And no I don’t want to shut down the airport

I do want it to reduce and curtail operations over the coming years

Green tax on all carriers
Green levy on all individual tickets

Reduction of flights by 20percent over the next 3 years.

I’m all for aviation once it is carbon neutral btw

Your not going to win any elections by driving the price of flights through the roof.

Beechwoodspark

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Your not going to win any elections by driving the price of flights through the roof.

Sorry now but there is a serious climate emergency declared. Co2 and other greenhouse gases are through the roof.

For travel instead of emission fueled avaiation I would propose solar powered shipping and trains

suicide_circus

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Tax the carbon emitters exponentially

Aviation industry
Car industry
Heavy polluting industry

It’s not about taxing the poor, just the worst offenders emission wise

ordinary people drive cars, ordinary people fly on planes, ordinary people work in factories. make no mistake, the rich will insulate themselves from your carbon taxes at the expense of ordinary people.

Thelonious Monk

Hopefully this leads to more carbon taxes and massive reduction in our standards of living and spending power. Only way we can fix this mess. Unfortunately nothing will change till it’s too late though.

Thelonious Monk

suicide_circus wrote: »

ordinary people drive cars, ordinary people fly on planes, ordinary people work in factories. make no mistake, the rich will insulate themselves from your carbon taxes at the expense of ordinary people.

The rich will still be rich just not quite as rich as they’ll pay fair share too hopefully.

Blazer

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The rich will still be rich just not quite as rich as they’ll pay fair share too hopefully.

I’m betting you’re a government artist or something like that aren’t you?

blinding

Would extension rebellion accept that it would be okay to take direct action against them if you do not agree with them ?

lleti

Do they want to save the planet or do they want to save humans?

It's really conflicting what they want. If you want to save the planet the easiest thing to do is reduce population.

If you want to improve peoples lives then taxing them more and more doesn't do it.

Thelonious Monk

Blazer wrote: »

I’m betting you’re a government artist or something like that aren’t you?

A what now?

Thelonious Monk

lleti wrote: »

Do they want to save the planet or do they want to save humans?

It's really conflicting what they want. If you want to save the planet the easiest thing to do is reduce population.

If you want to improve peoples lives then taxing them more and more doesn't do it.

Depends how you measure improvement of lives. More taxes will hopefully lead to decreased spending and less consumption.

abcabc123123

lleti wrote: »

If you want to improve peoples lives then taxing them more and more doesn't do it.

Agree. The talk of carbon tax is a deliberate red herring. When XR activists chant about system change, they're not talking about ****ing carbon taxes.

Captain Snow

Hector Savage wrote: »

100% agree, tax the lads buying SUV's, problem is they won't they will make far more money if they just tax EVERYBODY.

And of course the frustrating thing is the money will just be abused by the corrupt govt, it won't change anything.

Why SUV,s? There emissions are lower then any Electric car on the road. Both production and through the life time of the vehicle. A properly maintain vehicle poses no threat to the environment.

Where as:

To produce your plastic Electric cars you need more oil and gas to come out of the ground.

You need more lithium mines to produce your batteries. All of which are 100 times more polluting.

Beechwoodspark

suicide_circus wrote: »

ordinary people drive cars, ordinary people fly on planes, ordinary people work in factories. make no mistake, the rich will insulate themselves from your carbon taxes at the expense of ordinary people.

It’s not about a class conflict it’s about emissions. The target is emissions. The green tax can be used to research and deploy effective solutions.

Hector Savage

Why is overpopulation never mentioned ?
That's the elephant in the room - fix overpopulation and climate change will take care of itself.

It is a long term solution of course.

Thelonious Monk

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Hopefully this leads to more carbon taxes and massive reduction in our standards of living and spending power. Only way we can fix this mess. Unfortunately nothing will change till it’s too late though.

Please tell me your joking, "more taxes and a massive reduction in our standard of living"

Thelonious Monk

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Hopefully this leads to more carbon taxes and massive reduction in our standards of living and spending power. Only way we can fix this mess. Unfortunately nothing will change till it’s too late though.

Hopefully not.
Taxing people in Ireland will have no effect on climate change.

Dyr

lleti wrote: »

I heard that they're prepared to get arrested.

Says a lot about these people that they have nothing to lose so are willing to get arrested. No jobs to lose.

Hopefully the Gardee adopt a common sense approach and give them a liberal dose of the timber rather than making arrests.