Extinction Rebellion Ireland

jmayo · 07-10-2019 5:00pm

SeanW wrote: »

I would call 100,000,000 dead corpses (Communism killed 100,000,000 people in the last century) more than "it didn't work out" but thanks for proving that this is more pushing Socialism than anything else.

Well one could look at it this way that they did a fair bit to combat climate change long long before it was popular.

Removing 100,000,000 people or so nearly a century ago helped hugely in population control in the 20th century.

Imagine those 100,000,000 from 1920s onwards could have resulted in another billion on the planet today.

Maybe the Nazis deserve a mention as well for their contributions to population control in 20th century.

Now of course the commies did some bad environmental shyte too like those dodgy reactors they used throughout USSR and especially the one in Ukraine, all those polluting inefficient industries they created that polluted huge chunks of rivers, seas and land throughout the world and those dodgy nuclear submarines that had a habit of sinking.

MrMusician18 · 07-10-2019 5:05pm

Calhoun wrote: »

The funny thing is the people impacted the worse are going to be the poorer in society, as long as they aren't afraid of the cold then its something we can do.

The government is already half ****ting it over raising the carbon tax and we have SVP and other services come out and basically condemn them for it.

I find the whole climate thing fascinating, if people really understood what it meant and would accept the medicine that came with it then fair enough but we all know that wont happen.

A lot of the protests amount to "the government must do something". What the something is, we don't know, but it can't reduce "my" living standards.

Portsalon · 07-10-2019 5:06pm

Micky 32 wrote: »

I found amusing an article from Denis Naughten how worried he is the carbon taxes are going to affect rural Ireland, acting sooo concerned . Last year he was for higher fuel costs and if fuel cost rose for whatever reason he was going to make sure they wouldn’t go back down. He clearly is now covering his own ass sonhe won’t get any blame..

This time last year he was a Government Minister so wasn't paying for his own fuel and was able to virtue signal with the best of them; this year, having been forced to resign, he has reverted to his core rural gobsh*te populist TD persona.

Now almost guaranteed to top the poll in Inbred West Central or whatever his Godforsaken constituency is called.

Calhoun · 07-10-2019 5:06pm

Micky 32 wrote: »

I found amusing an article from Denis Naughten how worried he is the carbon taxes are going to affect rural Ireland, acting sooo concerned . Last year he was for higher fuel costs and if fuel cost rose for whatever reason he was going to make sure they wouldn’t go back down. He clearly is now covering his own ass sonhe won’t get any blame..

Will be interesting to see how the next general election goes, FG have already lost allot of their rural base. This election could be the whitewash of FF built on the back of another budget that adds more tax burden on those working and poorer people.

_Brian · 07-10-2019 5:20pm

It will remain to be seen what is done with the revenue collected from increased carbon taxes.

Plans I’ve seem from the current government seem farsical to me.

Planting bogland with trees not that BNM have destroyed it ? That shouldn’t happen, it should be rewetted and returned over time to its natural state to support the biodiversity it once did.

Plans to plant some mad number of trees ?? Again ill conceived mumbling, 70% is to be Sitka Spruce which supports nothing and clearfell is a blight on the landscape.

The uptake from farms will be negligible as in its current form forestry grant system leave no income for land that’s lost to Sitka Spruce forever.

So for me it’s money wasted yet again. A greenwash to make them feel smug but with no long term tangible result. It may buy D4 votes where the snoots know no better but that’s about it.

is_that_so · 07-10-2019 5:30pm

Seems disruption is limited as they are wandering round to protest at a variety of buildings. Now on North Quays but not on the road.

Plumbthedepths · 07-10-2019 5:38pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Seems disruption is limited as they are wandering round to protest at a variety of buildings. Now on North Quays but not on the road.

Bet none wandered in somewhere looking for a job.

is_that_so · 07-10-2019 5:39pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Bet none wandered in somewhere looking for a job.

Too busy saving the planet!

_Brian · 07-10-2019 5:39pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Seems disruption is limited as they are wandering round to protest at a variety of buildings. Now on North Quays but not on the road.

If they were actually serious about hitting polluters they would block the port tunnel and the airport terminals.

Hanging round inconveniencing daily commuting public in Dublin is meaningless but it’s easy to get on the need so granny can turn into six one and se you.

is_that_so · 07-10-2019 5:42pm

_Brian wrote: »

If they were actually serious about hitting polluters they would block the port tunnel and the airport terminals.

Hanging round inconveniencing daily commuting public in Dublin is meaningless but it’s easy to get on the need so granny can turn into six one and se you.

It gets them media profile. Security risk at airport and safety issues at tunnel so I'd say they are non-starters.

Micky 32 · 07-10-2019 5:42pm

_Brian wrote: »

It will remain to be seen what is done with the revenue collected from increased carbon taxes.

I’d say it will benefit the un desirables and the ones that couldn’t be arsed to work with an increase in their social welfare.

Calhoun · 07-10-2019 5:47pm

Micky 32 wrote: »

I’d say it will benefit the un desirables and the ones that couldn’t be arsed to work with an increase in their social welfare.

Will hit the poorer the worst, as they have to purchase stuff like solid fuels ECT.

lola85 · 07-10-2019 5:53pm

Calhoun wrote: »

Will hit the poorer the worst, as they have to purchase stuff like solid fuels ECT.

No increases in home heating fuel.

Zorya · 07-10-2019 5:53pm

From what pictures I have seen (even globally) looks like very few people are drawn to this cult. The media must have nothing better to be doing than giving them air time - or maybe there is an agenda that is being pushed. You would get more people out at a rural 5k charity run. Looks like the Law of Diminishing Returns is hitting the boys and girls who constantly scream wolf.

Danzy · 07-10-2019 5:56pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Bet none wandered in somewhere looking for a job.

They'll nearly all have good jobs or great job prospects.

These are the well heeled.

Beechwoodspark · 07-10-2019 5:58pm

vriesmays wrote: »

Bunch of dopes marching down Grafton Street, most students, hippies or older ones who've never worked.

Fair play to them for taking a stand. Wish I could take time off work for it but fair play to those fellow inhabitants of this little island on this pale blue dot for actually getting up off their ass and getting involved.

Calhoun · 07-10-2019 5:58pm

lola85 wrote: »

No increases in home heating fuel.

Did they change that as all weekend they have been talking about increases to all home heating.

Danzy · 07-10-2019 5:59pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Fair play to them for taking a stand. Wish I could take time off work for it but fair play to those fellow inhabitants of this little island on this pale blue dot for actually getting up off their ass and getting involved.

In fairness they are.

Calhoun · 07-10-2019 6:01pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Fair play to them for taking a stand. Wish I could take time off work for it but fair play to those fellow inhabitants of this little island on this pale blue dot for actually getting up off their ass and getting involved.

Taking a stand is only credible if they have the convictions to follow up on it and make changes to their lives ect that reflect the decisions they want.

weldoninhio · 07-10-2019 6:03pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Fair play to them for taking a stand. Wish I could take time off work for it but fair play to those fellow inhabitants of this little island on this pale blue dot for actually getting up off their ass and getting involved.

Why couldn’t you?

Beechwoodspark · 07-10-2019 6:05pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why couldn’t you?

Unfortunately have a job and little to no time off opportunities. And a wife and kids at home who’d be askin where’s daddy. But ya know what I might go down there to the camp with the kids on sat next to show them a bit of history. These ppl will rightly be seen on the side of good in 100 years time

weldoninhio · 07-10-2019 6:06pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Unfortunately have a job and little to no time off opportunities. And a wife and kids at home who’d be askin where’s daddy. But ya know what I might go down there to the camp with the kids on sat next to show them a bit of history. These ppl will rightly be seen on the side of good in 100 years time

You have annual leave entitlements I’m sure??

Danzy · 07-10-2019 6:08pm

In England,for example, this movement has been hijacked by Vegan whack jobs, anarchists and others.

People who instinctively **** up movements and thrive on pissing potential supporters off.

gmisk · 07-10-2019 6:09pm

I was wondering what was going on saw tents and gazebos this morning in merrion square I work just beside it.
I have no issue with the idea behind the event really, but I do not agree with disrupting hard working people trying to get home from work, which has happened today with the red line luas.

Fr_Dougal · 07-10-2019 6:10pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Unfortunately have a job and little to no time off opportunities. And a wife and kids at home who’d be askin where’s daddy. But ya know what I might go down there to the camp with the kids on sat next to show them a bit of history. These ppl will rightly be seen on the side of good in 100 years time

You have kids? You’re part of the problem.

Plumbthedepths · 07-10-2019 6:12pm

lola85 wrote: »

No increases in home heating fuel.

Seems you missed the memo, the increase in Carbon tax will add 15 euro to a fill of home heating oil, solid fuels will increase aswell .

Greentree_uk · 07-10-2019 6:15pm

I asked one of these protesters, who the biggest polluting nations of the world are and they didn't have a clue. Nor could they provide me with the answer for what provides heat to the planet... and of course they had no answer for what we could do... I'm all for being Carbon neutral if that is indeed the major cause, but in order to get there we'll produce a lot more carbon...
Far too many people out there with the, it sounds right so it must be true attitude... do they not do any research themselves other than facebook or twitter? And don't get me started on Vegans who could not exist in Ireland if it wasn't for all the other industries supporting them. Eat local, eat what's around you as what every other animal does in the planet. We have evolved as omnivores and don't have seven chambers in our stomachs... Rant over.

Beechwoodspark · 07-10-2019 6:19pm

No need for cynicism folks

Remember. The issues are so huge now that systemic change is required. Individuals can only do so much.

The system as a whole, churning out greenhouse gas at a frightening rate, needs to be disrupted and innovations brought in.

Won’t happen overnight i grant you.

07-10-2019 6:33pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

No need for cynicism folks

Remember. The issues are so huge now that systemic change is required. Individuals can only do so much.

The system as a whole, churning out greenhouse gas at a frightening rate, needs to be disrupted and innovations brought in.

Won’t happen overnight i grant you.

I'd urge anyone with even a passing interest to read this article from the last issue of the New Yorker bar one

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/what-if-we-stopped-pretending

His point is that climate change is real, its man-made, and we're all fcuked. It's too late.

He has a point. Even if we delay global warming for a few generations, even if we take drastic action now, how long until our population reaches our capacity to contain ourselves? There is no time-limit on global warming, it's not a library book that we need to return lickety-split. There is no end to it. If it doesn't reach catastrophic levels in 70 years, as currently expected based on today's outputs, it will happen in 150 years instead.

I hope Extinction Rebellion makes some inroads, but the change would have to be radical, and permanent throughout human history. That's not going to happen.

There's a cheery thought for your Monday commute (probably stuck in traffic).

_Brian · 07-10-2019 6:34pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

No need for cynicism folks

Remember. The issues are so huge now that systemic change is required. Individuals can only do so much.

The system as a whole, churning out greenhouse gas at a frightening rate, needs to be disrupted and innovations brought in.

Won’t happen overnight i grant you.

What is systemic change anyway.
Do you think that governments that rely on votes will intentionally reduce the standard of living of its people, not a hope. Particularly when most don’t want that.

The term systemic change is used because the leaders don’t want to list out the unpalatable actions they hope for.

Bunch of whack jobs at best.

Extinction Rebellion Ireland

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