Extinction Rebellion Ireland

Beechwoodspark

Hence I say make public transport *accessible* and the first choice for most necessary journeys.

Robert_Beach

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Aviation accounts for 2 per cent of carbon emissions, fashion accounts for 10 per cent any plans for curtailing fashion?

Oh absolutely the "fast fashion" nonsense needs to stopped. Cheap tat, shipped across the world to be bought in Penny's and worn a handful of times before ending up in the tip, is not sustainable. We need long living, quality produced clothing.

AlphabetCards wrote:

Solar powered ships? Show me where there is any example of moving a few hundred tonnes with just solar power is possible

You're thinking too small. We need to move away from shipping so much in the first place!

NIMAN

So one major success would be killing the 'fashion industry' as of now.

Stop telling people their clothes are out of fashion, are the wrong colour for the season etc. It has to stop. Clothes serve a purpose. They keep you warm and dry in winter, and cool in summer. While stopping you from being naked.

If we put an end to fast fashion, or indeed fashion full stop, it would be a massive start.

cnocbui

Robert_Beach wrote: »

We need to stop/cut-back on

- eating meat
- going abroad
- driving solo journeys

I think that peer pressure could be a great tool to achieve this. Drink driving used to be fine and dandy but now it's mostly unacceptable to modern ears. We need to make it the same for people going on "city breaks". Shame the funk out of them

Form a political party and make those your policies and let the people decide whether they want you and like-minded people running the show.

What's your plan regarding the unemployment you will cause? 10% of people employed on this planet work in tourism. 10% of world GDP comes from tourism. Obviously government revenues will also decline by 10%, so how will you pay benefits to the 10% you just made unemployed? Perhaps you could force them to work on collective farms and use manual labor to do the work tractors used to, powered only by turnips of course. Good thing is you can ask the Chinese and Russians for pointers on the details or chop down some trees and construct a sailing ship and use it to send some advisors to North Korea where they still function like that. 3 short years and they should be back with their bounty of collective wisdom - pardon the pun.

blinding

Other People are having way too much Sex .

AlphabetCards

NIMAN wrote: »

So one major success would be killing the 'fashion industry' as of now.

Stop telling people their clothes are out of fashion, are the wrong colour for the season etc. It has to stop. Clothes serve a purpose. They keep you warm and dry in winter, and cool in summer. While stopping you from being naked.

If we put an end to fast fashion, or indeed fashion full stop, it would be a massive start.

Now we are talking.

Robert_Beach

cnocbui wrote: »

Form a political party and make those your policies and let the people decide whether they want you and like-minded people running the show.

People don't vote for the long term. Why on earth would I run in such a system and get my arse handed to me by Michael Lowery promising to build a build replica White house casino?!

What's your plan regarding the unemployment you will cause? 10% of people employed on this planet work in tourism. 10% of world GDP comes from tourism. Obviously government revenues will also decline by 10%, so how will you pay benefits to the 10% you just made unemployed? Perhaps you could force them to work on collective farms and use manual labor to do the work tractors used to, powered only by turnips of course. Good thing is you can ask the Chinese and Russians for pointers on the details or chop down some trees and construct a sailing ship and use it to send some advisors to North Korea where they still function like that. 3 short years and they should be back with their bounty of collective wisdom - pardon the pun.

Yes, there's gonna be a lot of problems and plans need to be drawn up. Not out of want, but out of necessity. What's your plan to deal with the millions of climate refugees coming over the next few decades? What's your plan to deal with the huge number of major cities which will be submerged?

ToBeFrank123

If the Irish version is anything like in other countries it will involve a lot of middle class well travelled people telling everyone else to stop travelling etc.

And celebrities telling us to lesson our carbon footprint before they then head off to the airport to jump on their private jet.

blinding

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

If the Irish version is anything like in other countries it will involve a lot of middle class well travelled people telling everyone else to stop travelling etc.

And celebrities telling us to lesson our carbon footprint before they then head off to the airport to jump on their private jet.

You’d wonder do these people have any self awareness at all or intelligence ?

Are they just spouting what their PR People are briefing them on ?

This is the latest Right On fashionable thing to Espouse before they move on to the Next Right On Fashionable thing .

mgn

Harika wrote: »

Yeah it makes sense to fly across the globe to protest in a foreign country, to a government that you cannot vote for :rolleyes: They will take you seriously :pac:

The can get the boat their doing nothing else, I thought the were all about raising awareness nothing to do with who you vote for.

Jimmy Garlic

Robert_Beach wrote: »

Yes, there's gonna be a lot of problems and plans need to be drawn up. Not out of want, but out of necessity. What's your plan to deal with the millions of climate refugees coming over the next few decades? What's your plan to deal with the huge number of major cities which will be submerged?

The cities Al Gore said would be underwater 5 years ago are still there, and will be still dry land when you and me are long dead and gone. Saying that cities will be underwater is a hysterical claim and nothing more, all observations show that sea level rise is negligible.

"Climate refugees" or economic migrants. Sorry but we have no obligation to be throwing the doors open and rolling out the red carpet to people with vague and spurious reasons for coming such as being a so called "climate refugee" whatever the F that is supposed to be.

Robert_Beach

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

The cities Al Gore said would be underwater 5 years ago are still there, and will be still dry land when you and me are long dead and gone. Saying that cities will be underwater is a hysterical claim and nothing more, all observations show that sea level rise is negligible.

"Climate refugees" or economic migrants. Sorry but we have no obligation to be throwing the doors open and rolling out the red carpet to people with vague and spurious reasons for coming such as being a so called "climate refugee" whatever the F that is supposed to be.

I suppose if (when?) the Gulf Stream stops flowing, and Ireland is a Siberian-esque wasteland, you'd be happy enough staying put and glad to see other countries give two fingers to those fleeing for their lives?

weldoninhio

Robert_Beach wrote: »

I suppose if (when?) the Gulf Stream stops flowing, and Ireland is a Siberian-esque wasteland, you'd be happy enough staying put and glad to see other countries give two fingers to those fleeing for their lives?

Wouldn't happen. :rolleyes: This isn't The Day After Tomorrow.

We also have free movement throughout Europe. So wouldn't need to claim asylum anywhere. I'm fully legally entitled to move anywhere in the EU.

Robert_Beach

weldoninhio wrote: »

Wouldn't happen. :rolleyes: This isn't The Day After Tomorrow.

We also have free movement throughout Europe. So wouldn't need to claim asylum anywhere. I'm fully legally entitled to move anywhere in the EU.

Yeah... the effects of that wouldn't be limited to Ireland. It'd be you and every other Westerly and Northerly EU country heading for Greece...

Jimmy Garlic

Robert_Beach wrote: »

I suppose if (when?) the Gulf Stream stops flowing, and Ireland is a Siberian-esque wasteland, you'd be happy enough staying put and glad to see other countries give two fingers to those fleeing for their lives?

We could play the what if game all day long. What if the earths poles flip? What if the sun sends a supermassive CME our way? What if the aliens land? Hysterical hyperbole is no foundation for making good reasonable decisions, it is however great for those who produce the fear porn in the first place to push their agenda. Getting people to sheepishly agree to massive changes in society can only be achieved if fear propaganda is used, fear is the main factor that gets them to agree. There are dozens of examples down through history where people were frightened into accepting tyranny.

blinding

What if the Un-Green Super Wealthy spread the cash around ?

weldoninhio

Robert_Beach wrote: »

Yeah... the effects of that wouldn't be limited to Ireland. It'd be you and every other Westerly and Northerly EU country heading for Greece...

Not gonna happen in mine, my children’s, or their children’s lifetime.

randd1

weldoninhio wrote: »

Wouldn't happen. :rolleyes: This isn't The Day After Tomorrow.

We also have free movement throughout Europe. So wouldn't need to claim asylum anywhere. I'm fully legally entitled to move anywhere in the EU.

Unfortunately, I think there are people out there who seem to view said film as a form of documentary and not the ridiculous over the top sci-fi popcorn fest it was meant to be.

And forget that the science in the film was completely off the wall.

Dr. Bre

We need our alien overlords to either save us or wipe us out

randd1

Dr. Bre wrote: »

We need our alien overlords to either save us or wipe us out

If they're anything like humans, and given normally when one human civilisation collides with another the inferior one is killed off, then unless;

- A Jeff Goldblum-esque genius can somehow outsmart a significantly technologically superior species with coding they would have left behind millenia ago
- The aliens are susceptible to terrible music (thank God for Geldof) like in Mars Attacks
- They're actually humans themselves but with different disguises (Star Trek)
- They have a serious inter-species fetish porn scene going

we're, fuc*ed.

20Cent

‘Untold human suffering’: 11,000 scientists from across world unite to declare global climate emergency
‘Despite 40 years of major global negotiations, we conduct business as usual and have failed to address this crisis,’ group says

https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-emergency-scientists-emissions-letter-climate-change-a9185786.html

Suppose they are all lying as well.



We are encouraged by a recent surge of concern. Governmental bodies are making climate emergency declarations,” they write.

“Schoolchildren are striking. Ecocide lawsuits are proceeding in the courts. Grassroots citizen movements are demanding change, and many countries, states and provinces, cities, and businesses are responding.

“Such swift action is our best hope to sustain life on planet Earth, our only home.”

Beechwoodspark

Having a quiet chuckle to myself here reading the responses to that report.

Ppl attempting to deflect through comedy

Guys and girls I suggest reading up a bit on climate science and the huge challenges we face.

Then after a sobering cup of coffee have a read up on the solutions that are being proposed.

It’s not all bad news is what I am saying.

weldoninhio

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Having a quiet chuckle to myself here reading the responses to that report.

Ppl attempting to deflect through comedy

Guys and girls I suggest reading up a bit on climate science and the huge challenges we face.

Then after a sobering cup of coffee have a read up on the solutions that are being proposed.

It’s not all bad news is what I am saying.

Windup value has gone rapidly downhill since your will I/won’t I attend the week long protest. 2/10 for that effort.

SeanW

I find it funny that all the people advocating that Western peoples basically go back to the Stone Age never advocate for the use of nuclear energy. If any of the posters below actually cared about carbon dioxide emissions, that's where they would start. Have a look at the carbon intensity (in real time) of European national grids:
https://www.electricitymap.org/?page=country&solar=false&remote=true&wind=false&countryCode=FR

Notice that France will almost always have the lowest CO2 emissions per kw/h of energy that they use, and that includes "woke" countries like Ireland and Germany. Seems strange that "we" (as defined by Extinction Rebellion types) have to close down Dublin Airport, according to some, use government force to make people give up driving and meat, but "we" don't have to give "our" stupid and irrational objection to nuclear electricity - all of which is based on lies and fearmongering by those same Extinction Rebellion types? Curious that.

Robert_Beach wrote: »

We need to stop/cut-back on

- eating meat
- going abroad
- driving solo journeys

I think that peer pressure could be a great tool to achieve this. Drink driving used to be fine and dandy but now it's mostly unacceptable to modern ears. We need to make it the same for people going on "city breaks". Shame the funk out of them

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

+1 on this

Aviation needs to be green taxed much more than it is currently. Taxes on the carriers, the airports, and green levies on every ticket.

Dublin airport needs to be wound down gradually until carbon neutral solutions found. No new routes!

Consign the on a whim cheap bookings to history

Solar powered passenger ships are the coming thing in transport. We will see a big revival in maritime passenger travel over the coming years.

And agree regarding private cars. Tax them and makes public transport accessible and efficient for most travel.

Reading this thread makes me wonder about life in the Soviet Union under Stalin. I rather imagine one of Stalin's apparatchiks telling a bunch of starving peasants in a village somewhere "We must take away everything comrade, it is for greater good. But it will be good. There will be 5 year plan. So successful it is already complete. We have big factories were we make many machines, where workers sing as they work (for basically nothing). You must sacrifice any idea of a good quality of life comrades. We will take everything from you, comrade. For the greater good."

This is basically that, 70-odd years later and with a different pretext. Just as there was no reason for the Soviet people to be enslaved and impoverished, there is no cause for any of this.

1) Western populations are falling.
2) Western CO2 emissions are falling, both in absolute terms and (even more so) per head of population.
3) Alternative methods exist to bring CO2 emissions down even further (like the use of nuclear energy)
4) Asian populations are rising.
5) So are their CO2 emissions, again both in absolute terms and also per head of population.
6) The biggest driver of population growth in this century will be in Africa.

So remind me again why, to quote one poster above:

Dublin airport needs to be wound down

Micky 32

AlphabetCards wrote: »

I don't mean to come across as some American lover of 'democracy', but you are looking to limit peoples freedom of movement with some of this. People should be free to move wherever they want. I'm not willing to give up driving solo journeys, eating meat of going abroad, because I know that the politicians, the wealthy upper classes and the intelligentsia will in no way,shape or form conform to these rules. It will be the classic 'one rule for them, one rule for us', mark my words. When you start putting boundaries on freedom of movement, you are writing off your progeny's right to see the world.

.

I wouldn’t worry it will never happen in our lifetime.There’s a lot of dreamers on this thread.

Micky 32

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You should keep promoting that nonsense, does your agenda great harm. ;-)

You know i have been chatting to people like him that are for climate change and they are the biggest beggrudgers i know of. They hate it when their neighbours have a newer car than themselves or have more holidays abroad than themselves.

boring accountant

Robert_Beach wrote: »

I'd like to see people ostracised, looked down on and ignored for say going on holiday to Spain.

That's absurd. We don't get enough natural sunlight here, especially those of us who work in offices throughout the winter and go to work in the dark and come home in the dark.


We all need some time away in the sun for our own wellbeing.

Robert_Beach

boring accountant wrote: »

That's absurd. We don't get enough natural sunlight here, especially those of us who work in offices throughout the winter and go to work in the dark and come home in the dark.


We all need some time away in the sun for our own wellbeing.

Hahaha! It's a wonder Irish people survived here for thousands of years isn't it?

I do agree that we need more outdoors time though. Hopefully as we wind down the meat industry here and re-wild rural Ireland, more outdoor pursuits will be popular among Irish people. Hiking, camping, fishing, kayaking etc.

is_that_so

20Cent wrote: »

‘Untold human suffering’: 11,000 scientists from across world unite to declare global climate emergency
‘Despite 40 years of major global negotiations, we conduct business as usual and have failed to address this crisis,’ group says

https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-emergency-scientists-emissions-letter-climate-change-a9185786.html

Suppose they are all lying as well.



We are encouraged by a recent surge of concern. Governmental bodies are making climate emergency declarations,” they write.

“Schoolchildren are striking. Ecocide lawsuits are proceeding in the courts. Grassroots citizen movements are demanding change, and many countries, states and provinces, cities, and businesses are responding.

“Such swift action is our best hope to sustain life on planet Earth, our only home.”

I will admit these things are fast becoming a clickbait zone for me. This type of stuff feeds the psychoses of activists and the easily frightened. It could be 20 million of them but all they do is declare things. The day even one of them comes up with a single realistic and practical solution I'll listen to them. Meanwhile I thought this was a very cool and welcome example of actually doing something.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/04/restoring-jamaicas-lost-coral-reefs-photo-essay

Beechwoodspark

Micky 32 wrote: »

You know i have been chatting to people like him that are for climate change and they are the biggest beggrudgers i know of. They hate it when their neighbours have a newer car than themselves or have more holidays abroad than themselves.

I don’t consider myself a begrudger type at all but yes I do cringe when I hear or see ppl going on silly “on a whim” budget flights.

There’s NO need for it unless ppl are prepared to pay a proper substantial green levy for each flight.

Same with big engine petrol or diesel cars. I’m ok with them once ppl are ok with substantial taxes on them.

There is a sweet spot win win in this if ppl are willing to accept the quid pro quo.