Woman burned alive in Bangladesh for reporting sexual assault

RobertKK

I think everyone should read what happened to this 19 year old woman in Bangladesh.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/nusrat-jahan-rafi-death-bangladesh-sexual-assault-school-protests-a8875906.html

She was being sexually harassed in school, she went to the police who made little of her complaints. She went to do her final exams in school and I will quote from the above link "A fellow female student took her to the roof of the school, on the premise of telling her that Ms Rafi’s friend was being beaten up, according to a statement given later by Ms Rafi. On the rooftop, four or five people surrounded her and allegedly pressured her to withdraw the case against the headteacher – then set her on fire when she refused."

The murder of Nusrat Jahan Rafi is a huge story in Bangladesh, the policeman who failed her has been moved to a different department and the accused is in custody.

The only good thing is this "Ms Rafi had managed to record a statement on her brother’s mobile phone in the ambulance, in which she identified some of her attackers as students at the school.

“The teacher touched me, I will fight this crime till my last breath,” she said."

A number of people have been arrested.

Brave woman who paid with her life. It must be terrifying for women to report any form of assault in countries like this when they see something as horrific as this happening.

Atlantic Dawn

Sickening, it's their culture.

The only way to change these countries is not give a single cent in aid and completely blacklist them for all trade.

spurshero

RobertKK wrote: »

I think everyone should read what happened to this 19 year old woman in Bangladesh.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/nusrat-jahan-rafi-death-bangladesh-sexual-assault-school-protests-a8875906.html

She was being sexually harassed in school, she went to the police who made little of her complaints. She went to do her final exams in school and I will quote from the above link "A fellow female student took her to the roof of the school, on the premise of telling her that Ms Rafi’s friend was being beaten up, according to a statement given later by Ms Rafi. On the rooftop, four or five people surrounded her and allegedly pressured her to withdraw the case against the headteacher – then set her on fire when she refused."

The murder of Nusrat Jahan Rafi is a huge story in Bangladesh, the policeman who failed her has been moved to a different department and the accused is in custody.

The only good thing is this "Ms Rafi had managed to record a statement on her brother’s mobile phone in the ambulance, in which she identified some of her attackers as students at the school.

“The teacher touched me, I will fight this crime till my last breath,” she said."

A number of people have been arrested.

Brave woman who paid with her life. It must be terrifying for women to report any form of assault in countries like this when they see something as horrific as this happening.

Jesus . We do t realize how good we have it overall in Ireland . I know there are issues but compared to other parts of world there small

amcalester

And yet if she fell pregnant you’d deny her an abortion and force her to give birth, so how much concern do you really have for her?

yerwanthere123

What can you say to that? It's just horrific. The poor girl, may she RIP.

This is it

I don't have it in me to tell a dog off, how do people live with themselves after doing something so barbaric.

OldMrBrennan83

amcalester wrote: »

And yet if she fell pregnant you’d deny her an abortion and force her to give birth, so how much concern do you really have for her?

Sometimes a story is about more than this ****ing agenda.

Woodsie1

amcalester wrote: »

And yet if she fell pregnant you’d deny her an abortion and force her to give birth, so how much concern do you really have for her?

At least a little more than you've shown!

TheValeyard

spurshero wrote: »

Jesus . We do t realize how good we have it overall in Ireland . I know there are issues but compared to other parts of world there small

Yeah, we may have our problems but we are a paradise compared to some parts of the world.

amcalester

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Sometimes a story is about more than this ****ing agenda.

You’re right, I just don’t think Robert actually cares about the woman.

RIP to her.

mcmoustache

RobertKK wrote: »

I think everyone should read what happened to this 19 year old woman in Bangladesh.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/nusrat-jahan-rafi-death-bangladesh-sexual-assault-school-protests-a8875906.html

She was being sexually harassed in school, she went to the police who made little of her complaints. She went to do her final exams in school and I will quote from the above link "A fellow female student took her to the roof of the school, on the premise of telling her that Ms Rafi’s friend was being beaten up, according to a statement given later by Ms Rafi. On the rooftop, four or five people surrounded her and allegedly pressured her to withdraw the case against the headteacher – then set her on fire when she refused."

The murder of Nusrat Jahan Rafi is a huge story in Bangladesh, the policeman who failed her has been moved to a different department and the accused is in custody.

The only good thing is this "Ms Rafi had managed to record a statement on her brother’s mobile phone in the ambulance, in which she identified some of her attackers as students at the school.

“The teacher touched me, I will fight this crime till my last breath,” she said."

A number of people have been arrested.

Brave woman who paid with her life. It must be terrifying for women to report any form of assault in countries like this when they see something as horrific as this happening.

Good find there Robert. It's nice to know that you are on the right side of womens' rights when the perps are brown.


It would have been nice to have that can-do attitude from you when we were fighting for womens' rights over here.

Woodsie1

mcmoustache wrote: »

Good find there Robert. It's nice to know that you are on the right side of womens' rights when the perps are brown.


It would have been nice to have that can-do attitude from you when we were fighting for womens' rights over here.

Cant you comment on the post and not the poster?

Pretzill

We shouldn't have to read this - medieval shenanigans and the western world isn't on the same planet. Despicable and frustrating - but we can't change this -

shamrock55

These people are animals, wasn't it India a few years back that a young girl was gang raped in the back of a public bus

ahnowbrowncow

mcmoustache wrote: »

Good find there Robert. It's nice to know that you are on the right side of womens' rights when the perps are brown.


It would have been nice to have that can-do attitude from you when we were fighting for womens' rights over here.

Women don't get burned alive over here.

RobertKK

shamrock55 wrote: »

These people are animals, wasn't it India a few years back that a young girl was gang raped in the back of a public bus

Yeah back in 2012 was when the gang rape and murder of the 23 year old student happened.
Four men for that got the death penalty, another man committed suicide in prison and a 6th was a 17 year old who did three years as a juvenile.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-44762220

Your Face

That's horrible but I'm reluctant to pass judgement due to our own past.

I always wonder, would I have said anything?

Gimme A Pound

amcalester wrote: »

You’re right, I just don’t think Robert actually cares about the woman.

RIP to her.

mcmoustache wrote: »

Good find there Robert. It's nice to know that you are on the right side of womens' rights when the perps are brown.


It would have been nice to have that can-do attitude from you when we were fighting for womens' rights over here.

Why can't you separate the two? I voted yes to repealing the 8th but I don't see how it's inconsistent to be not in favour of abortion yet to be horrified by this. They're not the same. Not everyone who disagrees with abortion is a woman hater or doesn't care about women.

Your Face wrote: »

That's horrible but I'm reluctant to pass judgement due to our own past.

I don't get that. Unless you were abusing women and children yourself, what's hypocritical about it? Presume you weren't even alive. The fact you're from the same rock in the Atlantic is barely a link, and we can be critical of both this incident and what happened in Ireland.

janfebmar

Terrible if it is true.

Your Face

Vincenzo Bumpy Person wrote: »

I don't get that. Unless you were abusing women and children yourself, what's hypocritical about it? Presume you weren't even alive. The fact you're from the same rock in the Atlantic is barely a link, and we can be critical of both this incident and what happened in Ireland.

I dont like the position of making generalizations about a culture or country when the same could so easily be said of us.


I also wouldn't take odds on it not going on today.

DaithiMa

Your Face wrote: »

I dont like the position of making generalizations about a culture or country when the same could so easily be said of us.


I also wouldn't take odds on it not going on today.

When have 'we' burned women alive for reporting sexual assault?

freshpopcorn

Mod Note
Leave the OP alone and stop bringing up old threads!

Your Face

DaithiMa wrote: »

When have 'we' burned women alive for reporting sexual assault?

I never said we did.


Its amazing how offended people get when its pointed out that we're not perfect.

jay1988

It really goes to show the mindset of some of the people that post here that on the first page the OP is being attacked by two separate posters over his beliefs on abortion etc. rather than discussing this horrific incident. Some sad, sad people out there.

RIP to this young woman, this is seriously messed up and shouldn't happen anywhere in the world.

Birneybau

Your Face wrote: »

Vincenzo Bumpy Person wrote: »

I don't get that. Unless you were abusing women and children yourself, what's hypocritical about it? Presume you weren't even alive. The fact you're from the same rock in the Atlantic is barely a link, and we can be critical of both this incident and what happened in Ireland.

I dont like the position of making generalizations about a culture or country when the same could so easily be said of us.


I also wouldn't take odds on it not going on today.

Ludicrous

Gimme A Pound

Your Face wrote: »

I dont like the position of making generalizations about a culture or country when the same could so easily be said of us.


I also wouldn't take odds on it not going on today.

It's not a generalisation when it's commentary on a specific incident and conditions that led to it..

The same couldn't be said for people here (certainly not "us").

And nobody said we are perfect. Of course we aren't perfect. Not offended, just think what you're saying makes no sense. Similar does not go on in this country, and even if it did, only the people guilty of doing it would be hypocrites for condemning this incident in Bangladesh. Horrendous things were done to women in this country - certainly not something those of us who weren't even born should feel guilty for though.

I don't understand putting this dubious collective guilt stuff before condemning what was done to the woman.

Outlaw Pete

Was only posting on Twitter last night about another Muslim woman getting burned alive, in a store I believe, and a guy appears to make an advance on her, which she spurns, and so he sprays her with lighter fluid.... and well, wish I hadn't seen the damn thing now.

I tired Google'ing it and get some more information about it but the sheer amount of women that are burned alive in that part of the world is staggering.

Seen a clip of Malala Yousafzai giving a talk in Dublin (she was the 16 year old girl shot by the Taliban for attending school in Pakistan) and she spoke about these kind of killings and appealed to western governments to place more sanctions on countries were such killings are all but tolerated.

He Named Me Malala is a good docu for anyone that hasn't seen it actually.

Mad_maxx

Vincenzo Bumpy Person wrote: »

It's not a generalisation when it's commentary on a specific incident and conditions that led to it..

The same couldn't be said for people here (certainly not "us").

And nobody said we aren't perfect. Of course we aren't perfect. Not offended, just think what you're saying makes no sense. Similar does not go on in this country, and even if it did, only the people guilty of doing it would be hypocrites for condemning this incident in Bangladesh. Horrendous things were done to women in this country - certainly not something those of us who weren't even born should feel guilty for though.

I don't understand putting this dubious collective guilt stuff before condemning what was done to the woman.

It's just another form of intellectual posing which liberals excel in

up for anything

DaithiMa wrote: »

When have 'we' burned women alive for reporting sexual assault?

Some might say we've done worse in our time.

Gimme A Pound

up for anything wrote: »

Some might say we've done worse in our time.

Yeah, "we" in "our" time. Not sure what could be worse than burning someone alive.

Dalomanakora

How incredibly brave and smart she was though - believing she would die, she made sure to record a statement on her brother's phone.


What a brave young lady. Even in the face of death, she wanted to fight for her rights.

RobertKK

If I was this woman in Bangladesh I would be heading to the airport to get out asap.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/459247-bangladesh-starlet-apologises-after-atheist-comments


Safa Kabir, an actress and model said on radio the following:


"I don´t believe in life after death. Actually, I never believe in what I can´t see,"

She ended up posting this on Facebook after widespread criticism:

"If I committed any mistake, I seek forgiveness from the most merciful. He is the most merciful and forgiving. He will definitely forgive me,"

"If my words hurt any one´s belief, I am sorry for this and I ask for forgiveness,"

robarmstrong

RobertKK wrote: »

Yeah back in 2012 was when the gang rape and murder of the 23 year old student happened.
Four men for that got the death penalty, another man committed suicide in prison and a 6th was a 17 year old who did three years as a juvenile.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-44762220

That was vile.

Reading the reports of what happened (the sheer graphic descriptions of what they did to her) was absolutely vile and sickening.

Was there further reasoning behind the 6th individuals light sentencing? I initially read somewhere the 17 year old was to do some juvenile time, then be given the death penalty?

robarmstrong

mcmoustache wrote: »

Good find there Robert. It's nice to know that you are on the right side of womens' rights when the perps are brown.


It would have been nice to have that can-do attitude from you when we were fighting for womens' rights over here.

To be fair, our country is a lot more civilized than setting people alight, which although Robert may or may not have disdain towards female repeal voters or abortion seekers, I highly doubt he'd want them to be burned alive.

His views on abortion and women who seek abortion are not really relevant here.

RobertKK

The teacher ordered the burning of the woman according to police.

I hope people keep this thread updated as this is my last post in AH, and I will not be posting here anymore. Please don't comment on this, it is a personal choice.
Just remember this woman.

poisonated

I voted to repeal but can understand the position of those opposing such right. You can be against it but still feel that it is wrong to burn people alive.

Potential-Monke

So there's quite a lot of Islam worshipers in Pakistan, and a quick Google will give you results showing that around 1000 women a year in Pakistan are killed in order to redeem their honor (eloping, marriage outside of family wishes, etc). From what I've read, they believe this is the only way to restore honor due to their religion.

I can't understand how any religion condones violence for restoring honor. It actually baffles me why women are not fleeing this backwards country in droves if that is the outcome of living your own life. I don't know a lot about Islam, but I don't want to know any more if this kind of carry on is not just accepted, but widely practiced, even if it's against criminal law over there. How can people expect me to be ok with this? We have to be so careful as to not offend anyone based on their religion, yet the people saying this stand back and allow this to happen. What kind of religion is this? It's 20-fukcing-19.

I no longer follow any religion, and I urge everyone to do the same. It has no place in a modern society. In another thread, I said that religion should now be practiced only in private, and I'm starting to be more firm on this stance. Religion should not affect anyone else, I don't believe people should get time off to pray for Ramadan or any other religious practice.

poisonated

Potential-Monke wrote: »

So there's quite a lot of Islam worshipers in Pakistan, and a quick Google will give you results showing that around 1000 women a year in Pakistan are killed in order to redeem their honor (eloping, marriage outside of family wishes, etc). From what I've read, they believe this is the only way to restore honor due to their religion.

I can't understand how any religion condones violence for restoring honor. It actually baffles me why women are not fleeing this backwards country in droves if that is the outcome of living your own life. I don't know a lot about Islam, but I don't want to know any more if this kind of carry on is not just accepted, but widely practiced, even if it's against criminal law over there. How can people expect me to be ok with this? We have to be so careful as to not offend anyone based on their religion, yet the people saying this stand back and allow this to happen. What kind of religion is this? It's 20-fukcing-19.

I no longer follow any religion, and I urge everyone to do the same. It has no place in a modern society. In another thread, I said that religion should now be practiced only in private, and I'm starting to be more firm on this stance. Religion should not affect anyone else, I don't believe people should get time off to pray for Ramadan or any other religious practice.

You can tell the kids that Christmas is cancelled.

Castlekeeper

poisonated wrote: »

You can tell the kids that Christmas is cancelled.

Why? Have the christians signed Santy?

BBFAN

Watched Delhi Crime recently on Netflix which is a drama based on the 2012 rape case. Heartbreaking and gruelling to watch but it does show the other side of this story too.

The brave, educated people with the same religion who are risking their own lives to fight this injustice and change their society. It's going to take a long time but certainly they need back up and support from all over the world if this is to be stopped.

The only hope we can have is that we over many centuries have changed slowly but surely and the same can happen in these countries so long as there are enough brave people fighting to change it.

backspin.

spurshero wrote: »

Jesus . We do t realize how good we have it overall in Ireland .

For now, our grandchildren may not have it as good and as safe as we have known it.

Wibbs

India, Pakistan and Bangladesh are on the cultural level backward, corrupt and morally bankrupt shitholes. To describe them as "medieval" is to do a disservice to that time period. India despite laws and the 20th, never mind the 21st century, still largely operates under their retarded caste system that goes back thousands of years.

When that Indian woman Savita(apologies I can't remember her surname) died in childbirth here a few years ago, there was a natural and understandable outpouring of WTF! and things have subsequently changed for the better, but when some Indian government types gave Ireland static over it, my first thought was look to your own house you backward pricks. A house where a huge proportion of your population openly defecate in the street and have to be reminded not to by an advertising campaign, yet they have a space programme and enough cash(500 million quid) to erect this globular monstrosity and have the bald faced gall to call it a symbol of unity?



And Ireland and others give taxpayers money to this nation for their poor? G'way to fuck India. If you were looking for a good example of not throwing stones in a glasshouse, you would be walking a huge distance to find another better example than India.

poisonated

poisonated wrote: »

You can tell the kids that Christmas is cancelled.

This might shock you but Christmas is a Christian holiday. To remember this, please keep in mind the name CHRISTmas.

feargale

mcmoustache wrote: »

Good find there Robert. It's nice to know that you are on the right side of womens' rights when the perps are brown.


It would have been nice to have that can-do attitude from you when we were fighting for womens' rights over here.

amcalester wrote: »

And yet if she fell pregnant you’d deny her an abortion and force her to give birth, so how much concern do you really have for her?

Let me get this straight. Because RobertKK holds/held an opinion at variance with yours on one issue it follows that he has no concern for peoples' rights or their plight. Right? You keep that up, and refuse to engage with all those who hold a view on any particular matter which is at variance with yours, and you will end up talking to yourself.

Church on Tuesday

mcmoustache wrote: »

Good find there Robert. It's nice to know that you are on the right side of womens' rights when the perps are brown.


It would have been nice to have that can-do attitude from you when we were fighting for womens' rights over here.

Irish ladies are doing just fine in that regard don't worry. Thankfully.

Horrific this. A very strange, frankly barbaric attitude towards women in that part of the world.

You could argue that it's to do with culture, but I feel it's mostly to do with education and some lack of moral grounding.

robarmstrong

feargale wrote: »

Let me get this straight. Because RobertKK holds/held an opinion at variance with yours on one issue it follows that he has no concern for peoples' rights or their plight. Right? You keep that up, and refuse to engage with all those who hold a view on any particular matter which is at variance with yours, and you will end up talking to yourself.

As someone who disagrees vehemently with Robert's views on abortion I can recognize that that is only his view on a subject, I agree that his views on abortion aren't really relevant here as this is a completely different topic.

I think the posters highlighting his views on abortion in this thread are simply misinterpreting his intentions on creating this thread. As I've previously stated, I have no doubt that Robert does genuinely care about women's rights.

Grayson

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Sickening, it's their culture.

The only way to change these countries is not give a single cent in aid and completely blacklist them for all trade.

Except aid workers are the people who are able to help someone like her. And charities provide protection to women who have been abused.
Other organisations provide medical assistance, vaccines etc. Innocent people would die because of it.

And textiles, one of the countries biggest exports are mainly worked by women.

So you'd actually be hurting a lot of innocent people.

Grayson

Potential-Monke wrote: »

So there's quite a lot of Islam worshipers in Pakistan, and a quick Google will give you results showing that around 1000 women a year in Pakistan are killed in order to redeem their honor (eloping, marriage outside of family wishes, etc). From what I've read, they believe this is the only way to restore honor due to their religion.

I can't understand how any religion condones violence for restoring honor. It actually baffles me why women are not fleeing this backwards country in droves if that is the outcome of living your own life. I don't know a lot about Islam, but I don't want to know any more if this kind of carry on is not just accepted, but widely practiced, even if it's against criminal law over there. How can people expect me to be ok with this? We have to be so careful as to not offend anyone based on their religion, yet the people saying this stand back and allow this to happen. What kind of religion is this? It's 20-fukcing-19.

I no longer follow any religion, and I urge everyone to do the same. It has no place in a modern society. In another thread, I said that religion should now be practiced only in private, and I'm starting to be more firm on this stance. Religion should not affect anyone else, I don't believe people should get time off to pray for Ramadan or any other religious practice.

It's not the religion. Honor killing occurs across the entire sub continent. I remember reading about hindu killings. they would soak the woman in petrol and set her alight. Because most cheap sari's are made from nylon the fabric would melt and fuse with the skin leaving them horribly disfigured if they survived.

There's a massive problem with women's right all across india, pakistan and bangladesh. Things are getting better, but slowly. Thankfully we've seen massive marches against the abuse, rapes, "eve teasing" and all that crap.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I no longer follow any religion, and I urge everyone to do the same. It has no place in a modern society. In another thread, I said that religion should now be practiced only in private, and I'm starting to be more firm on this stance. Religion should not affect anyone else, I don't believe people should get time off to pray for Ramadan or any other religious practice.

Even Easter? I’m afraid that the world is getting more religious, not less.

Gimme A Pound

robarmstrong wrote: »

As someone who disagrees vehemently with Robert's views on abortion I can recognize that that is only his view on a subject, I agree that his views on abortion aren't really relevant here as this is a completely different topic.

I think the posters highlighting his views on abortion in this thread are simply misinterpreting his intentions on creating this thread. As I've previously stated, I have no doubt that Robert does genuinely care about women's rights.

And as a woman and voter to repeal, I really consider "fighting for women's rights" to be an overblown way of referring to the repeal campaign.

Snow Garden

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Even Easter? I’m afraid that the world is getting more religious, not less.

Is it? I wouldn't have thought so but open to correction. Religion makes the whole world backward.