Woman shot & killed in Derry being treated as a terrorist incident MOD WARNING IN OP

Junkyard Tom

markodaly wrote: »

7 nationalists MP's in Westminister could actually do alot.

This has been dismantled and sunk numerous times yet you still seem not to get it.

Amirani

NIMAN wrote: »

As someone who hopes to live to see a United Ireland, if this is what's needed to bring about, then count me out.

It's not worth any more human lives.

I think this is a perfect summation of the attitude of most reasonable people in the South. Most probably favour a United Ireland, but not at the expense of these sorts of acts. These "Republicans" that murder innocent people are shunned by the citizens of the Republic they wish to be part of.

cameramonkey

Amirani wrote: »

I think this is a perfect summation of the attitude of most reasonable people in the South. Most probably favour a United Ireland, but not at the expense of these sorts of acts. These "Republicans" that murder innocent people are shunned by the citizens of the Republic they wish to be part of.

So you change you mind about a perfectly reasonable aspiration a United Ireland because some uneducated person (probably a teenage) take a shot at some police and kills an innocent woman.



Do you let the actions of idiots in general change you political ideas?

smurgen

As a republican I have to say I'm disgusted to what happened to this woman.i really really had hope the violence was behind us at this stage. RIP to that woman.
I hope anyone involved has the book thrown at them.

recedite

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It struck me yesterday as Pellosi was talking that there are far too many people still clapping themselves and select others on the back for the GFA.

Your word 'commemorating' is apposite because the GFA is dead atm. And it has stagnated and failed to deliver fully. One of the reasons a lot have been left behind.
This killing is the culmination of stagnation that far too many have been willing to ignore.

NIMAN wrote: »

As someone who hopes to live to see a United Ireland, if this is what's needed to bring about, then count me out.
It's not worth any more human lives.

It would be even worse if somebody had deliberately cranked things up for the Pelosi visit.
If minor political "points scoring" is the result they were after, then its not exactly a great victory.

The most powerful US Democrat, Nancy Pelosi, visited the border and delivered a stark message.
If the UK's manner of leaving the EU damages the Good Friday Agreement then forget about a US-UK trade deal.
"That's just not on the cards if there's any harm done to the Good Friday accords," she said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-47979214
Its not even The Whitehouse saying that, its their opposition.

Jurgen Klopp

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

This has been dismantled and sunk numerous times yet you still seem not to get it.

3 posts from you so far and not a word condemning these "republican" arse holes just doing all you can to ensure the blame is firmly directed at the DUP

Says a fcuking lot

noodler

cameramonkey wrote: »

So you change you mind about a perfectly reasonable aspiration a United Ireland because some uneducated person (probably a teenage) take a shot at some police and kills an innocent woman.



Do you let the actions of idiots in general change you political ideas?

Well, that wasn't at all what was said.

markodaly

cameramonkey wrote: »

You obviously know nothing about the north if you think people will move away from SF because of this strategy. What dont you understand? SF say they will not take seat if elected, they get elected and do as they promise, people continue to vote for them, its pretty simple really, even you should have the capacity to understand it.

Oh, I understand it alright, and I think its patiently and obviously retarded. But there you go, that is the North for ya. They deserve each other.

markodaly

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

This has been dismantled and sunk numerous times yet you still seem not to get it.

Dismantled and sunk numerous times by whom exactly? You, as if you are the moral authority on the topic?

It is funny though in a thread about a young woman shot dead by IRA wannabe nationalistic scumbags you want to wade in with the crap and defense you spout numerous times when it comes to SF/IRA and their awful history of violence on this island.

Maybe you should cop yourself on like a good lad.

markodaly

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

3 posts from you so far and not a word condemning these "republican" arse holes just doing all you can to ensure the blame is firmly directed at the DUP

Says a fcuking lot

100%

Much to say about da Brits and the DUP at any given opportunity but when their ideological kin murder a woman for the Irish cause..... tumbleweeds....

It's pathetic really.

cameramonkey

noodler wrote: »

Well, that wasn't at all what was said.

He was referring to this post by NIMAN and agreeing with it.


"As someone who hopes to live to see a United Ireland, if this is what's needed to bring about, then count me out"


So it is exactly what he proposed.

daheff

this is BS. they are nothing short of criminals, not Republicans.


Part of me wonders is the official line of 'Dissident Republicans' put out to have the Sinn Fein hard liners put manners on them?

Junkyard Tom

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

3 posts from you so far and not a word condemning these "republican" arse holes

My condemnation goes without saying. I support the GFA, all its institutions, strands, and aspirations for a workable peaceful society in the north.

just doing all you can to ensure the blame is firmly directed at the DUP. Says a fcuking lot

I did not initiate the 'two-sides-are-as-bad-as-each-other' bullshit. The false equivalence is a huge part of the problem. We need to draw a distinction between those who support the GFA, Stormont, cross-border institutions, rights etc and those don't.

Reproductive Rights
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Minority Language Legislation
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Marriage Equality Legislation
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Unionists: 'It's SF's fault'.

circadian

17 year old lifted, assumed to be the shooter apparently. Won't name names but if you know anyone from Derry I'm sure you'll see the Facebook profile sooner or later.

Amirani

cameramonkey wrote: »

So you change you mind about a perfectly reasonable aspiration a United Ireland because some uneducated person (probably a teenage) take a shot at some police and kills an innocent woman.

Do you let the actions of idiots in general change you political ideas?

I didn't change my mind at all. I wasn't willing to support a United Ireland before this and I'm not willing to support one after. This is just another example of why I'm not interested in trying integrate that social and economic basket case into our country.

I said I though NIMAN's position was reasonable and representative of most living in Ireland.

markodaly

Seems our dissident friends were busy last night. Not only murdering, but also robbing.

https://www.thejournal.ie/kells-atm-theft-4599732-Apr2019/

4 ATMS stolen, two in the north, two in the south.

Pathetic and worrying at the same time. Funds could be used to buy more guns. Classic Provo tactics of the past.

markodaly

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

My condemnation goes without saying. I support the GFA, all its institutions, strands, and aspirations for a workable peaceful society in the north.



I did not initiate the 'two-sides-are-as-bad-as-each-other' bullshit. The false equivalence is a huge part of the problem. We need to draw a distinction between those who support the GFA, Stormont, cross-border institutions, rights etc and those don't.

Reproductive Rights
Scotland ✓
Wales ✓
England ✓
Norn Iron ✗ -- Blocked by Unionists.

Minority Language Legislation
Scotland ✓
Wales ✓
Norn Iron ✗ -- Blocked by Unionists.

Marriage Equality Legislation
Scotland ✓
Wales ✓
England ✓
Norn Iron ✗ -- Blocked by Unionists.

Unionists: 'It's SF's fault'.

Sorry but what the **** has this murder got to do with Unionists....
You are utterly pathetic in your attempts to divert attention away from this murder by Irish nationalist scumbags

Save it for your next rant on Brexit.

Junkyard Tom

markodaly wrote: »

Dismantled and sunk numerous times by whom exactly?

It's been sunk here on boards regularly, and by anyone with even a degree of understanding. The only people who call for Nationalists to take their seats in Westminster are people who are clueless or those who know they won't or would benefit from it i.e. the DUP. In the Brexit thread in politics SF abstention isn't even allowed to be discussed because its 'benefits' have been so thoroughly trashed.

Junkyard Tom

markodaly wrote: »

Sorry but what the **** has this murder got to do with Unionists....

You seem to have trouble following the flow of the thread. I can't help you with that.

For those who can they'll see that someone brought up the 'two-sides-are-as-bad' trope when it came to politics in the north and I'm demonstrating why that's simply untrue.

kravmaga

punisher5112 wrote: »

Derry is the correct place and not Londonderry....??

Glad to see that RTE news report have called the city by its correct name Derry.

Sky News always get it wrong.

Looks like republican dissidents are in the frame for this murder.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0419/1043543-new-ira-northern-ireland/

cameramonkey

Amirani wrote: »

I didn't change my mind at all. I wasn't willing to support a United Ireland before this and I'm not willing to support one after. This is just another example of why I'm not interested in trying integrate that social and economic basket case into our country.

I said I though NIMAN's position was reasonable and representative of most living in Ireland.

So you think it is reasonable to change you political ideas because of the murder of an innocent women? The country would be a basket case if we bowed down to every kid with a gun.


I would say that your ideology would be a recipe for disaster, just as well most people dont think your way.

Lavinia

kravmaga wrote: »

Glad to see that RTE news report have called the city by its correct name Derry.

Sky News always get it wrong.

Looks like republican dissidents are in the frame for this murder.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0419/1043543-new-ira-northern-ireland/

sounds like speculation at this point

markodaly

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

For those who can they'll see that someone brought up the 'two-sides-are-as-bad' trope when it came to politics in the north and I'm demonstrating why that's simply untrue.

Yes, it clearly the priority to defend SF/IRA on a thread where violent Irish nationalism rears its ugly head again.

Well done.

markodaly

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

In the Brexit thread in politics SF abstention isn't even allowed to be discussed because its 'benefits' have been so thoroughly trashed.

That is an outright lie. It's not allowed because the mods don't want to turn into the usual NI type thread where people argue over that inane topic, rather than discuss Brexit.

Having a Nationalist voice in Westminister is a no brainer. I hope to dear god, if there is an election soon, we get more SDLP MP's this time around.

At least they will actually do something for nationalists, other than ceding all power to the DUP but collect their MP salaries and expenses.

If Hurling on the ditch was a GAA sport SF would be the Dublin of it.

Junkyard Tom

markodaly wrote: »

Yes, it clearly the priority to defend SF/IRA on a thread where violent Irish nationalism rears its ugly head again.

SF/IRA? What decade are you posting from? Grow up.

Irish Guitarist

The Twitter comments are exactly what I was expecting.

Anyone on either side who is more outraged about a place name than about the death of a human being can fuck right off.

citytillidie

Lavinia wrote: »

any link to those news but from before she was killed? i cannot seem to find it. i tried.

It was on the BBC about the riots before she was killed

Lavinia

citytillidie wrote: »

It was on the BBC about the riots before she was killed

okay thanks, i will search bbc thank you.

One More Toy

This thread is pure muck. Everyone pushing their ideologies while a family are grieving. Grow the fcuk up

NIMAN

It's the way most threads involving NI politics goes.

Lavinia

citytillidie wrote: »

It was on the BBC about the riots before she was killed

try to search it and there are absolutely no articles on this on bbc website except the ones about the killing




coincidence probably...




example
https://www.bbc.com/news/localnews/2643736-londonderry-derry/0

A Dub in Glasgo

Lavinia wrote: »

try to search it and there are absolutely no articles on this on bbc website except the ones about the killing




coincidence probably...




example
https://www.bbc.com/news/localnews/2643736-londonderry-derry/0

You are flogging a dead horse here, the BBC and other outlets were reporting on the rioting last night. The story escalated when the shooting happened

Lavinia

Ok thanks, I am just trying to find what were they reporting before this about the protests, that's all. If anyone has a link to article prior to this Id appreciate it lots, thanks a lot.
Now everything is made about the murder and how anyone who search any other information is either a traitor or is terrible human being who has not feelings for the grieving family or whatever.
But its not that. Id like to know what happened before this.
Anyway, thanks.

timthumbni

I have posted for ages here about Londonderry/ doire and it’s major issues around anti social behavior and the rise of dissident Irish republicanism there. I was shouted down by many but unfortunately this proves my point.

I also said that republicans will not be happy until they murder someone again.

What a pile of dickheads.

theguzman

It was really only a matter of time before something like happened and the way things are going it likely won't be the last. I can't help but think that she put herself in harms way because she was in a very dangerous situation as tweeted just before that. There is a hardcore element of both sides of the political divide itching to return to the ways of the past. Mass ATM thefts are surely linked to this also as Militiant Republicans rearm in a return to their armed struggle .

From a Nationalist point of view the ballot box has sadly failed and the Good Friday Agreement is effectively dead, as we saw from before, when the ballot box fails the bullet follows shortly after. As the Unionist demographic shrinks you will see more incidents like this and another armed struggle until Unity is achieved or there is major concessions like returning to the politics of consensus and compromise, getting a devolved assembly up and running would help. With Corbyn on the cusp of getting power in the UK he would love nothing more than to offload Northern Ireland to the ROI and it seems certain that a United Ireland will happen whether by bloody conflict or hopefully by peacefully democratic means. It is a disgrace that this young woman lost her life due to breakouts of violence like this, which are directly related to the continued political deadlock and failure of consensus there.

timthumbni

theguzman wrote: »

It was really only a matter of time before something like happened and the way things are going it likely won't be the last. I can't help but think that she put herself in harms way because she was in a very dangerous situation as tweeted just before that. There is a hardcore element of both sides of the political divide itching to return to the ways of the past. Mass ATM thefts are surely linked to this also as Militiant Republicans rearm in a return to their armed struggle .

From a Nationalist point of view the ballot box has sadly failed and the Good Friday Agreement is effectively dead, as we saw from before, when the ballot box fails the bullet follows shortly after. As the Unionist demographic shrinks you will see more incidents like this and another armed struggle until Unity is achieved or there is major concessions like returning to the politics of consensus and compromise, getting a devolved assembly up and running would help. With Corbyn on the cusp of getting power in the UK he would love nothing more than to offload Northern Ireland to the ROI and it seems certain that a United Ireland will happen whether by bloody conflict or hopefully by peacefully democratic means. It is a disgrace that this young woman lost her life due to breakouts of violence like this, which are directly related to the continued political deadlock and failure of consensus there.

Will you be up for the bloody conflict part?

davycc

Rip to the poor wee girl '
Lock the gunman and his handlers up for life.

timthumbni

davycc wrote: »

Rip to the poor wee girl '
Lock the gunman and his handlers up for life.

What do you mean by “Handlers”? Thanks Davy?

Some balls on whoever did this



https://twitter.com/freyamcc/status/1119197481642930179

Kermit.de.frog

This was some tracksuit wearing moron with a gun.

I don't buy this "orchastrated, organised, planned" language by the police and media.

It's giving juvenile delinquents an absurd amount of credit.

timthumbni

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This was some tracksuit wearing moron with a gun.

I don't buy this "orchastrated, organised, planned" language by the police and media.

It's giving juvenile delinquents an absurd amount of credit.

Nope, Nothing to do with Irish republicanism, at all, at all.....

StinkyMunkey

Low life pieces of ****, real bunch of ****ing hero's shooting an unarmed woman in the middle of a riot.

I hope they catch the scum and throw them in a dark hole for the rest of their lives.

timthumbni

judeboy101 wrote: »

Journo standing with security forces , not wearing clothes to identify herself as a media despite in the middle of an armed conflict and the good old british security forces doing their old trick of bundling a wounded person into the back of a security vehicle only for them to die enroute, sounds familiar.

Holy feck. Good luck putting this on the oul brits chum.

timthumbni

I think people need to wise up about what a riot entails. People routinely get killed during riots around the world. It’s not funny, it’s not a joke. Whether it’s by fellow rioters or by security forces that’s a fact.

Maybe parents in Londonderry/doire need to wise up. Whether they are supporting these republican thugs or they are negligent.

I know that my kids wouldn’t be allowed around them like it’s some kind of fecking carnival ride.

Sheeps

cisk wrote: »

Some balls on whoever did this



https://twitter.com/freyamcc/status/1119197481642930179

A round of applause

Tell me how

Sheeps wrote: »

A round of applause

The mural wouldn't have been updated if it was a PSNI officer who was killed though would it?

tayto lover

judeboy101 wrote: »

Journo standing with security forces , not wearing clothes to identify herself as a media despite in the middle of an armed conflict and the good old british security forces doing their old trick of bundling a wounded person into the back of a security vehicle only for them to die enroute, sounds familiar.

Classic victim blaming.
Wise up son.

Lavinia

But the fact she got killed has nothing to do with the fact that NI is Ireland (literally) and should not be undr UK anymore

Tell me how

Lavinia wrote: »

But the fact she got killed has nothing to do with the fact that NI is Ireland (literally) and should not be undr UK anymore

By what rational?

Did we have a unification poll since the GFA was signed which I managed to miss?

Avatar MIA

Looks like the moron murderer fired a hand gun at range. Basically could have hit anybody. From what I saw from the CCTV she was in a crowd. Horrible to see her going about her work knowing she would soon be shot by someone who'll never contribute to society.

Senseless, and counter productive to what they claim to be their aims.