Woman shot & killed in Derry being treated as a terrorist incident MOD WARNING IN OP

Frank Castle

Is it just me or are the majority of mods on this website far to heavy handed?

Nothing wrong with open discourse. Censorship suppresses diversity.

Can't tell if it's bad policy or power trip stuff tbh.

Hoboo

Berserker wrote: »

Yeah, nothing but love at republican parades and celebrations in that part of NI.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2018/0816/985542-ulster-bonfire/

That's a bonfire. In August.

I'm guessing you like a 'parade' in July though. That's a proper hate parade.

Infernum

Frank Castle wrote: »

Is it just me or are the majority of mods on this website far to heavy handed?

Nothing wrong with open discourse. Censorship suppresses diversity.

Can't tell if it's bad policy or power trip stuff tbh.

I think the message is that one's political views don't matter in this situation, and politics in general are irrelevant. This is a tragedy that has affected everyone. The woman transcended all divides and touched hearts of everyone regardless of their beliefs and views.

Discussing politics in regards to her and her untimely death kinda underestimates all that. Just my take.

Frank Castle

Infernum wrote: »

I think the message is that one's political views don't matter in this situation, and politics in general is irrelevant. This is a tragedy that has affected everyone. The woman transcended all divides and touched hearts of everyone regardless of their beliefs and views.

Discussing politics in regards to her and her untimely death kinda underestimates all that. Just my take.

Aye I can see where that is coming from and it does make sense. But truthfully politics religion and sectarianism is part of everyday life in ni. It's pretty impossible to talk about us without involving politics tbh.

Especially given the circumstances of this poor woman's death. It's a direct result of political opinions.

Infernum

Frank Castle wrote: »

Aye I can see where that is coming from and it does make sense. But truthfully politics religion and sectarianism is part of everyday life in ni. It's pretty impossible to talk about us without involving politics tbh.

Especially given the circumstances of this poor woman's death.

That's true, but I think for now the main focus should be on who the woman was. It's a time of national mourning and that's what should be at the heart of discussion of recent events.

I see that two teenagers have been arrested in connection with the shooting. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-47996258

Baggly

Frank Castle wrote:

Especially given the circumstances of this poor woman's death. It's a direct result of political opinions.

Mod

So head to the politics forum. As per the warning. Simples.

Lavinia

bob mcbob wrote: »

This is the kind of relativism the Trump would be proud of.

Hey a young woman has just been killed because some scumbag showing how big a man he was decided to "protect his community" by shooting a gun around a corner.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-northern-ireland-47989468/lyra-mckee-police-release-cctv-footage

But that should not detract from the real issue - that NI should not be part of the UK. Even although there is an agreed (and democratic) process for this to happen.

sure you can close your eyes and say yup everything just fine here.


how then this happened at all i wonder

Lavinia

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

I know exactly what it means, i was just curious as to your interpretation but then thats typical of the like of you who fire out 1169 blah blah blah

so you acttully have nothing to say.



should i now take the same approach and write - oh so typical of the likes of you


very mature conversation indeed.



:yawn:

Baggly

Lavinia wrote:

should i now take the same approach and write - oh so typical of the likes of you

Mod

That's essentially what you have done actually.

Both of ye stop bickering. Add to the discussion or don't post.

TomasMacR

Is it absolutely certain that the journalist wasn’t targeted?

Avatar MIA

TomasMacR wrote: »

Is it absolutely certain that the journalist wasn’t targeted?

If it were, given the distance involved with a handgun he'd be a candidate for the olympics. So, highly doubtful.

recedite

TomasMacR wrote: »

Is it absolutely certain that the journalist wasn’t targeted?

Depends on your definition of "targeted".
The individual who was killed, no.
The group of police and journalists, yes.

smurgen

Just a pity that I didn't hear of this woman when she was alive.read her stuff and listened to her Ted talk and she seemed like an excellent journalist

McMurphy

Picture taken from the vigil last night held in Derry for Lyra.

If it puts a lid on the escalation of violence up there, well then that might be the one and only good thing to come from her death.

citytillidie

TomasMacR wrote: »

Is it absolutely certain that the journalist wasn’t targeted?

Not if reports from people beside her that the bullet bounced off a jeep before hitting here are accurate in such a situation

Tell me how

TomasMacR wrote: »

Is it absolutely certain that the journalist wasn’t targeted?

Absolutely categorically certain.

If you have seen any of the videos of the area at the time of the incident you'll see it was likely that what was targeted was the jeep and unfortunately she was hit by chance.

I suspect that the perpetrator had zero desire to actually kill someone but yet, they did so.*

*I'm not saying this in any way whatsoever excuses their behaviour.

timthumbni

FrancieBrady wrote: »

the DUP will not allow it to progress. It is ironic that this victim is one that would not be recognised or given all her rights because of the continued behaviour of the DUP.
.

This is just weird even from you. So Irish republicans are now protecting lgbt rights by murdering them.

The DUP are against gay marriage. Wrong imo but that’s their and many others views on the matter. How you seriously managed to try and deflect the fact that Irish republicans have just murdered some wee girl in Londondoire is mind blowing.

Republicans have a bloodlust let’s face it. This is just but one more example.

recedite

Tell me how wrote: »

I suspect that the perpetrator had zero desire to actually kill someone but yet, they did so.*

*I'm not saying this in any way whatsoever excuses their behaviour.

If you have no desire to kill anyone, don't fire live rounds at a group of people.

Avatar MIA

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Looks like they are both in the orange order now.

Coillte_Bhoy

NIMAN wrote: »

But why wouldn't it cause revulsion from even the most hardened republican?

A 29yr old innocent civilian was shot dead on the streets of Derry. If you don't find it repulsive, then there is something wrong with you.

The problem is, the people who support the New IRA or whatever they want to call themselves, will get over this and continue supporting them, hiding them, assisting them.

Of course i find it repulsive, i think you misunderstood my post

Coillte_Bhoy

Lavinia wrote: »

so you acttully have nothing to say.



should i now take the same approach and write - oh so typical of the likes of you


very mature conversation indeed.



:yawn:

wtf are you on about, i simply asked you what you mean by 'occupation', you cant or wont answer that, fair enough, that says it all

Hoboo

TomasMacR wrote: »

Is it absolutely certain that the journalist wasn’t targeted?

Absolutely not, saw the video of the guy pulling the trigger. He's shooting through a fence, in the dark. I'd imagine aiming at the van she was beside.

zapitastas

Hoboo wrote: »

Absolutely not, saw the video of the guy pulling the trigger. He's shooting through a fence, in the dark. I'd imagine aiming at the van she was beside.

Was the footage of her standing in a crowd from just before she was shot? If it was she was desperately unlucky. Apparently the bullet hit the van and then she was struck by the ricochet

John2136

Frank Castle wrote: »

Is it just me or are the majority of mods on this website far to heavy handed?

Nothing wrong with open discourse. Censorship suppresses diversity.

Can't tell if it's bad policy or power trip stuff tbh.

Hundred percent

John2136

Frank Castle wrote: »

Is it just me or are the majority of mods on this website far to heavy handed?

Nothing wrong with open discourse. Censorship suppresses diversity.

Can't tell if it's bad policy or power trip stuff tbh.

If someone says something they don't like the mod probably spends an hour looking through the community guidelines for a reason to give them a warning.

Baggly

Mod

Issues with moderation do not belong on thread.

Please stop clogging up the thread for people who actually want to talk about the issue at hand (political aspect aside of course).

expectationlost

expectationlost wrote: »

maps of the shooting https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/04/19/an-open-source-survey-of-the-shooting-of-lyra-mckee/ who were they shooting at? the gun men seemed to be very close to the two psni vans? were thre psni standing outside the third vehicle behind ? vehicles could the gun men not see all the bystanders standing round right next to them ?

there a whole crowd of bystanders standing in the street with a psni landrover behind them and this guy fires at them ???? https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/witness-lyra-mckee-murder-recalls-14436029

Discodog

And hopeful people who will identify him & give evidence in Court

ToddyDoody

Infernum wrote: »

This was mindless terrorism that claimed a lovely young woman's life

Friends, family, loved ones and the city of Derry has my heartfelt condolences.

One thing, it didn't look mindless. It looked well planned and well organised.

Condolences to her family, partner and friends.

It was a horrendous thing to happen.

I'm as interested in seeing a United Ireland in my lifetime as anyone - but there is a process in place for this.

I didn't condone the murders of Bloody Sunday marchers. I didn't condone the Omagh bombings. I don't condone the murder of this young lady, either. It is absolutely appalling.

RIP Lyra. You should not have died. You were an inspiration in life, and coincidentally, in death, you remain one, in the sense that you have united Nationalist and Unionist alike in condemnation of those responsible for
yet another senseless death.

BENDYBINN

Awfull tragedy..
<snip>

Frank Castle

Pter wrote: »

Mod

So head to the politics forum. As per the warning. Simples.

Dear Frank Castle,

You have been warned for posting Backseat Moderation.


Proving my point about the ridiculously heavy handed moderation on this website tbh...

Doesn't make sense for the main discussion boards in the country to be run in such a way.

It's a joke

Baggly

Mod

Everyone else seems to get the distinction Frank. But as I have said, it's not up for discussion here.

Don't post in this thread again.

Kermit.de.frog

Feeling pretty annoyed with this. Don't know why these people are allowed march down our main street particularly given the circumstances.

https://twitter.com/NI_ALLO/status/1119619541196267520

Discodog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Feeling pretty annoyed with this. Don't know why these people are allowed march down our main street particularly given the circumstances.

https://twitter.com/NI_ALLO/status/1119619541196267520

Surely there is incitement as an offence.

Maybe the Guards are happy for them to come out into the open & be filmed & identified.

For Forks Sake

TomasMacR wrote: »

Is it absolutely certain that the journalist wasn’t targeted?

Yes. The only person suggesting otherwise is that lunatic Gemma O'Doherty.

Discodog

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Yes. The only person suggesting otherwise is that lunatic Gemma O'Doherty.

Everyone down that end of the road was deliberately targeted. It could of been any number of innocent people

JPCN1

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Feeling pretty annoyed with this. Don't know why these people are allowed march down our main street particularly given the circumstances.

https://twitter.com/NI_ALLO/status/1119619541196267520

Bunch of scrotes and I imagine their combined IQ wouldn't hit four figures.

BarryD2

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Feeling pretty annoyed with this. Don't know why these people are allowed march down our main street particularly given the circumstances.

https://twitter.com/NI_ALLO/status/1119619541196267520

WTF was going on there. Is this real? Were these lads actually parading down the city centre of Dublin wearing paramilitary gear and dark glasses? On the weekend that's in it, following the events of last week?

If it's true, we really need to get a good firm grip on ourselves and stop this in it's tracks now.

NIMAN

I'm wondering if the 2 teenagers they have lifted for questioning are the 2 were see in the videos firing the gun and then lifting the spent cases?

From past experience, the police often lift people soon after an incident like this to:

1) show the public they are on top of the situation
2) try to get a scared youth to squeal on the real perpetrators

I would love it if they have actually got the 2 scumbags we all seen in the video.

TomasMacR

Discodog wrote: »

Everyone down that end of the road was deliberately targeted. It could of been any number of innocent people

Jesus, enough already. That point has been made several times. It is quite clear what I was asking, let me rephrase just in case...was the individual journalist Lyra McKee targeted, is that ok? And it has been answered, no she wasn’t. Because, although just as tragic, targeting specific individual journalists is a lot more concerning than a bullet ricocheting off something and hitting someone. Either way, I think the question has been answered anyway, thanks.

Kermit.de.frog

BarryD2 wrote: »

WTF was going on there. Is this real?

Apparently. They appeared to have the street closed for them.

Even if the murder had not occurred why are we even allowing that

Embarrassing for the city to say the least.

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Apparently. They appeared to have the street closed for them.

Even if the murder had not occurred why are we even allowing that

Embarrassing for the city to say the least.

Unfortunately, they are allowed "peaceful" marches, under human rights laws. No permission is required when less than 5000 people march, according to what I have read. I'm not sure how accurate that is.

Personally, I'd prefer this particular group didn't march, but preventing them would set a nasty precedent for other, more acceptable group marches, and would also give them an excuse to play the victim, and possibly gather more followers, so, on that basis, as distasteful as I find it, I'm willing to tolerate it, - grudgingly.

NIMAN

Deleted User wrote: »

Unfortunately, they are allowed "peaceful" marches, under human rights laws. No permission is required when less than 5000 people march, according to what I have read. I'm not sure how accurate that is.

Personally, I'd prefer this particular group didn't march, but preventing them would set a nasty precedent for other, more acceptable group marches, and would also give them an excuse to play the victim, and possibly gather more followers, so, on that basis, as distasteful as I find it, I'm willing to tolerate it, - grudgingly.

Sadly what we have to put up with to have an open society with free democracy.

I would say many people standing about watching would not have even make the connection with the march and what happened in Derry.

Junkyard Tom

Deleted User wrote: »

Unfortunately, they are allowed "peaceful" marches, under human rights laws. No permission is required when less than 5000 people march, according to what I have read. I'm not sure how accurate that is.

I wonder how the Parades Commission works in the north if that applies.

NIMAN

I'm sure the North must have different parade rules.

Pythagorean

If a PSNI officer had been killed, there would not have been anything like the outcry that ensued, and furthermore, if they ever catch the gunman, he will probably only be charged with manslaughter.

NIMAN

Pythagorean wrote: »

If a PSNI officer had been killed, there would not have been anything like the outcry that ensued, and furthermore, if they ever catch the gunman, he will probably only be charged with manslaughter.

Agree that anyone ever charged with this killing will not be charged with murder.

Isn't murder premeditated? The gunman did try to murder policemen, but killed a bystander by mistake. That's manslaughter is it not?

Spanish Eyes

It is all simmering just below the radar it seems, judging by some comments on here.

What an awful thing to happen to that woman, her partner, her family, and her circle of friends.

But I am very afraid that the cycle of killing and violence is still upheld and justified by some.

Anyway, the reaction of the vast majority is one of disgust. That is very good. Need to build on that very quickly I think now.