Saracens vs Munster, Sat 20th April, 3pm

kingofthekong

Munster getting bullied in the contact area

Clegg

It's dispiriting to see that Munster are still essentially the same side as last season and the one before. They've a mean defence, decent set piece and well structured up front. But there's nothing going on in attack. When they meet a side they can't bully they fall apart.

razorblunt

Dubinusa wrote: »

Thus far, Itoje is a giant amongst boys. Beirne and Kleyn are no shows.
Neither of them are even close to his level.
Felix Jones is holding Munster back.
There's no imagination in Munsters back line.
JVG needs to bring in a top level attack coach.

Itoje has done the same as Beirne, that is fcuk all.

Dubinusa

Just lost the damn feed. Shyte.

ScrubsfanChris

A f*ck off Garces

stephen_n

Saracen’s just taking the piss with the offside now. Munster aren’t equipped to chase games, no intelligence to their play.

kingofthekong

Second time Archer has fluffed the ball , you want to win a European cup you really gotta have better guys than that coming on

Faugheen

Dubinusa wrote: »

Thus far, Itoje is a giant amongst boys. Beirne and Kleyn are no shows.
Neither of them are even close to his level.
Felix Jones is holding Munster back.
There's no imagination in Munsters back line.
JVG needs to bring in a top level attack coach.

Kleyn has probably been Munster's best forward. Genuinely don't know what game you're watching...

eigrod

Hope. Slim, but hope.

roshje

Yes

Faugheen

razorblunt wrote: »

Itoje has done the same as Beirne, that is fcuk all.

This is nonsense. He's put in a lot of hits and carries.

Itoje and Kleyn have both been very, very good.

There's a try.

AbusesToilets

Terrible effort for that maul, whole Munster pack shoved back by 3-4 Saracens players.

roshje

Great kick

Clegg

Starting to come around to the view that Beirne should be in the backrow. Doesn't look to have the muscle to play in the 2nd row against the best side.

osullic

Great kick

awec

Munster have to score next.

kingofthekong

Luckiest try I've ever seen lol , FairPlay to Murray though quality

troyzer

Munster just look so blunt in attack.

testtech05

Thought there was a hint of knock on by Murray there rolled the ball forward to himself after it popped out.
Great conversion by JJ. If Munster can score next they are well back in it.

razorblunt

Faugheen wrote: »

This is nonsense. He's put in a lot of hits and carries.

Itoje and Kleyn have both been very, very good.

There's a try.

As all 4 second rows have done

Faugheen

razorblunt wrote: »

As all 4 second rows have done

Kleyn and Itoje have stood out by a distance.

I really do wonder what games people are watching..

AbusesToilets

troyzer wrote: »

Munster just look so blunt in attack.

Carberry should've made it a contract condition that they hire a proper attack coach. Jones is stealing money from Munster

eigrod

Ah ffs Garces he lost that on landing

roshje

Justice

osullic

eigrod wrote: »

Ah ffs Garces he lost that on landing

Can’t seem to see how offside the Saracens line continuously are

testtech05

eigrod wrote: »

Ah ffs Garces he lost that on landing

That was a very tough call on Beirne.
A few very "flat" passes have been let go too.

KrustyUCC

No chance that's a penalty

Gifting them 3 points back

Faugheen

KrustyUCC wrote: »

No chance that's a penalty

Gifting them 3 points back

A lot of people could argue Munster were gifted 7 points after that scrum.

You get some, you lose some. They missed. Move on.

kingofthekong

Saracens pack making fools of this Munster pack

kmart6

https://twitter.com/btsportrugby/status/1119624321452920832

O'Donoghue definitely caused that to pop out by kicking it.

Murray rolled it forward to himself.

eigrod

That’s that

ScrubsfanChris

That's what you get for ZERO imagination

kmart6

All very easy.

People can say Billy V was being booed earlier but there were cheers every time for him countering it.

Squidgy Black

And that's game.

PTH2009

Ah **** that's that for another year

Next season do we really want another semi final exit ???

degsie

You could see the delight on the ref's face when the try was scored

Score probably reflects where the two teams are at, sadly.

awec

I said it after the Munster Leinster game at Christmas, and I’ll say it again. Munster are a very limited team. There is just a lack of quality there.

They play like 15 grunts. There is no brains, no imagination. Just 80 minutes of trying to run over the top of players and when it doesn’t work just try it some more.

AbusesToilets

6 semi finals lost in a row, and still nothing has changed.

kmart6

degsie wrote: »

You could see the delight on the ref's face when the try was scored

Nonsense.

eigrod

awec wrote: »

I said it after the Munster Leinster game at Christmas, and I’ll say it again. Munster are a very limited team. There is just a lack of quality there.

They play like 15 grunts. There is no brains, no imagination. Just 80 minutes of trying to run over the top of players and when it doesn’t work just try it some more.

Earls is probably the only one that can do something a little magical at pace so losing him drained them off any inventiveness.

Vinnie222

awec wrote: »

I said it after the Munster Leinster game at Christmas, and I’ll say it again. Munster are a very limited team. There is just a lack of quality there.

They play like 15 grunts. There is no brains, no imagination. Just 80 minutes of trying to run over the top of players and when it doesn’t work just try it some more.

Quality is not the issue . Game play is . You're probably looking at the winners here

swiwi_

Munster singing drowned out by the fat lady.

I think a semi was the best Munster could have hoped for so it’s a good season over all.

Squad needs improvement in the pack to be in with a shot at silverware.

troyzer

awec wrote: »

I said it after the Munster Leinster game at Christmas, and I’ll say it again. Munster are a very limited team. There is just a lack of quality there.

They play like 15 grunts. There is no brains, no imagination. Just 80 minutes of trying to run over the top of players and when it doesn’t work just try it some more.

They're incapable of holding onto the ball and scoring against top teams.

I don't think they were going to win this game anyway, they were murdered in the air and on the deck. Just not enough quality to counter Baby England.

Clegg

awec wrote: »

I said it after the Munster Leinster game at Christmas, and I’ll say it again. Munster are a very limited team. There is just a lack of quality there.

They play like 15 grunts. There is no brains, no imagination. Just 80 minutes of trying to run over the top of players and when it doesn’t work just try it some more.

Without Earls they lack any sort of guile in the backline. That should not be the case though. Scannell, Sweetnam, Conway are all talented footballers. That they look so clueless is an indictment of the coaching team.

twinytwo

And in typical irish fashion, coaches contract is already renewed

AbusesToilets

awec wrote: »

I said it after the Munster Leinster game at Christmas, and I’ll say it again. Munster are a very limited team. There is just a lack of quality there.

They play like 15 grunts. There is no brains, no imagination. Just 80 minutes of trying to run over the top of players and when it doesn’t work just try it some more.

I blame the IRFU somewhat, in that they shouldn't have permitted Munster to hire such substandard coaches. Foley, Jones et al. Flannery is seemingly decent, but they have done the players a disservice with the set up there.

griffinlee

is jones contract renewed?
needs to get back making music with his band

Erik Shun

twinytwo wrote: »

And in typical irish fashion, coaches contract is already renewed

But assistants are not... I think JVG is looking to bring in some fresh blood

troyzer

twinytwo wrote: »

And in typical irish fashion, coaches contract is already renewed

Jones is the problem. He's doing nothing.

Munster also lack the core skills to execute a more intricate gameplan, it takes a few seasons to build that up and change the culture. I don't blame JvG.