Kia e-Soul

Phibsboro

deegs wrote: »

Has your grant been approved yet? My garage are a bit slow!

Not yet, though in fairness I wasn't anticipating any movement until the new year, Christmas slows everything down.

peposhi

How does an e-Soul with 0.35 drag coefficient outperform in range a 0.29 dc Leaf?

unkel

peposhi wrote: »

How does an e-Soul with 0.35 drag coefficient outperform in range a 0.29 dc Leaf?

Leaf has an ancient drive train that is the least efficient of all EVs, whereas the drive train that Kia / Hyundai uses is one of the most efficient of all EVs

Also the WLTP test only drives for a few seconds at 120km/h, where a bad coefficient of drag really hurts. If you did a test for driving at a constant GPS speed of 120km/h (or a real life long distance test), the e-Soul would perform poorly against a more aerodynamic car

Joseph SEE

peposhi wrote: »

How does an e-Soul with 0.35 drag coefficient outperform in range a 0.29 dc Leaf?

It doesn't really. There's not that much difference in range on a per kWh basis.

Leaf has a WLTP of 385km. The Soul EV is 452km. If you gave the LEAF the larger Soul battery the difference in range is only 12km (385km divided by 56 X 64 is 440km) ignoring Soul's hidden buffer. Leaf has apparently 56kWh usable. Soul is 64kWh.

The new eSoul is thought to have a CdA of 0.22/0.23 and is lighter than the Leaf.

There's very little difference in efficiency. They are probably about the same.

peposhi

Joseph SEE wrote: »

It doesn't really. There's not that much difference in range on a per kWh basis.

Leaf has a WLTP of 385km. The Soul EV is 452km. If you gave the LEAF the larger Soul battery the difference in range is only 12km (385km divided by 56 X 64 is 440km) ignoring Soul's hidden buffer. Leaf has apparently 56kWh usable. Soul is 64kWh.

The new eSoul is thought to have a CdA of 0.22/0.23 and is lighter than the Leaf.

There's very little difference in efficiency. They are probably about the same.

When I sat in one this morning it had 82% left and 330km in Eco mode... I drove roughly 30+ odd km and brought it back with 287km. Some accuracy there. The HUD is fab, loved the AC, much better than the Leaf.

The only thing I kinda disliked - it’s quite noisy compared to a Leaf...

Joseph SEE

peposhi wrote: »

When I sat in one this morning it had 82% left and 330km in Eco mode... I drove roughly 30+ odd km and brought it back with 287km. Some accuracy there. The HUD is fab, loved the AC, much better than the Leaf.

The only thing I kinda disliked - it’s quite noisy compared to a Leaf...

Yes, I believe the Soul is a much better car than the Leaf. It has a much larger battery and it's liquid cooled. The degradation should be minimal and that hidden buffer on the top end is a good strategy.

However, there's a misconception it is more efficient. It's on par with the Leaf, maybe a tad worse in some conditions and it's only 0.1m longer than the Zoe.

https://ev-database.org/car/1154/Kia-e-Soul-64-kWh
https://ev-database.org/car/1144/Nissan-Leaf-eplus

Kramer

Joseph SEE wrote: »

However, there's a misconception it is more efficient. It's on par with the Leaf, maybe a tad worse in some conditions

I very much doubt the any of the three sisters are less efficient than a Leaf.
Isn't the Leaf still running practically the same drivetrain from 2011?

peposhi

Joseph SEE wrote: »

Yes, I believe the Soul is a much better car than the Leaf. It has a much larger battery and it's liquid cooled. The degradation should be minimal and that hidden buffer on the top end is a good strategy.

However, there's a misconception it is more efficient. It's on par with the Leaf, maybe a tad worse in some conditions and it's only 0.1m longer than the Zoe.

https://ev-database.org/car/1154/Kia-e-Soul-64-kWh
https://ev-database.org/car/1144/Nissan-Leaf-eplus

Drove another one this morning and have to say - it’s a really nice car to be in. Love the HUD!

Joseph SEE

Kramer wrote: »

I very much doubt the any of the three sisters are less efficient than a Leaf.
Isn't the Leaf still running practically the same drivetrain from 2011?

It's listed at 17.3kWh per 100km on the EV Database compared to 17kWh for the Leaf. That's a pretty comprehensive site. There is a large disparity in the size of the batteries. The E-Plus battery really isn't much larger than the 52kWh Zoe.

I believe that the Soul is a superior car to the Leaf and the battery should have much less degradation. It's the option I would choose.

EV motor efficiency should be high for most EVs. I think the highest peak efficiency is approaching 97 per cent. Of course overall efficiency isn't going to hit those figures. All brushless DC motors should have good efficiency that's much higher than an AC motor like the Model S and X.

I'd be very curious to see the efficiency of the Model 3 motor at various rpm bands. Coincidentally, there's a research paper published on such a motor that was produced long before the Model 3 ever existed. The year was 2011.

peposhi

Some summarized info here
https://www.evspecifications.com/en/model/e94fa0

peposhi

Lads, can anyone tell me what font is used to write the Soul badge on the car?!?

deegs

peposhi wrote: »

Lads, can anyone tell me what font is used to write the Soul badge on the car?!?

Yip it's a custom don't but really hard to find unless, I guess, you speak Korean. Lots of info on the design and brand language here but can't find the actual book and I expect it will be Korean.

http://sampartners.co.kr/en/portfolio-item/all-about-soulkia-soul-book-project/?ckattempt=1

Phibsboro

Picking my baby up tomorrow, haven't even ordered a charger yet and I have a sneaking suspicion it doesn't come with a granny cable - this is going to be an interesting few weeks!

icom

Phibsboro wrote: »

Picking my baby up tomorrow, haven't even ordered a charger yet and I have a sneaking suspicion it doesn't come with a granny cable - this is going to be an interesting few weeks!

It will come with a granny charger.

JohnC.

icom wrote: »

It will come with a granny charger.

I thought Kia stopped doing that a few months ago?

Silent Running

JohnC. wrote: »

I thought Kia stopped doing that a few months ago?

They didn't give one with the Niro. Only in Ireland though. Maybe they were shamed enough by that exercise though, and are now supplying them again.

AMKC

Phibsboro wrote: »

Picking my baby up tomorrow, haven't even ordered a charger yet and I have a sneaking suspicion it doesn't come with a granny cable - this is going to be an interesting few weeks!

Brilliant and hope you have many hours of happy motoring. Maybe you will put some pictures up when you get a chance. Enjot its a great cool car.

Phibsboro

Picked it yesterday, Murphy's Law the sales guy missed getting it on to the (only!) charger they have that morning so it was at about 200 km. Not the end of the world, I do very little mileage. In better news, it did come with a granny! Ordered a multi-mode Wall Pod from the UK (as I also wanted a 3-pin socket out the front for maintenance/Xmas lights etc) - https://evonestop.co.uk/collections/home-charging-range/products/wallpod-ev-multi-mode-type-2-tethered-cable-5m?variant=40494204932

Also ordered the two safety options, not really sure I needed those tbh (the DC monitoring thing and the earth module).

Had a bit of a run around today, I love it! Such a lovely drive, so smooth. The smart cruise control is gas, you can basically drive in stop/start traffic by just clicking the button to restart, no need to accelerate or brake. The screen is amazing, Android Auto set up no problem. One thing that is bugging me is that the built in nav doesn't seem to have the Irish address database - it doesn't have any detailed addresses at all (though it knew, say, Marino). It also doesn't seem to take a start nav address via voice. Nor does it seem to have live traffic for Ireland (though I'm not sure it can even access the internet via a connected phone, it seems to only offer a wifi connection). All of that wouldn't normally bother me as I've never seen a built in nav that can better Android Auto but the one thing you miss out on using AA (or CarPlay) is getting the next directions in the HUD, which is pretty cool

Have it on the granny at the moment, I was down to about 160 when I plugged it in earlier and it was saying approx 24hrs to full, which is fair enough.

peposhi

Excellent news!!!
Many happy miles!

Silent Running

Phibsboro wrote: »

Picked it yesterday, Murphy's Law the sales guy missed getting it on to the (only!) charger they have that morning so it was at about 200 km. Not the end of the world, I do very little mileage. In better news, it did come with a granny! Ordered a multi-mode Wall Pod from the UK (as I also wanted a 3-pin socket out the front for maintenance/Xmas lights etc) - https://evonestop.co.uk/collections/home-charging-range/products/wallpod-ev-multi-mode-type-2-tethered-cable-5m?variant=40494204932

Also ordered the two safety options, not really sure I needed those tbh (the DC monitoring thing and the earth module).

Had a bit of a run around today, I love it! Such a lovely drive, so smooth. The smart cruise control is gas, you can basically drive in stop/start traffic by just clicking the button to restart, no need to accelerate or brake. The screen is amazing, Android Auto set up no problem. One thing that is bugging me is that the built in nav doesn't seem to have the Irish address database - it doesn't have any detailed addresses at all (though it knew, say, Marino). It also doesn't seem to take a start nav address via voice. Nor does it seem to have live traffic for Ireland (though I'm not sure it can even access the internet via a connected phone, it seems to only offer a wifi connection). All of that wouldn't normally bother me as I've never seen a built in nav that can better Android Auto but the one thing you miss out on using AA (or CarPlay) is getting the next directions in the HUD, which is pretty cool

Have it on the granny at the moment, I was down to about 160 when I plugged it in earlier and it was saying approx 24hrs to full, which is fair enough.

Congrats on getting the car!

The screen should show live traffic once it's connected to WiFi. I set up a hot spot on my phone for the car to connect to, and I automate it with MacroDroid. It works perfectly and live traffic is very useful.

Phibsboro

Just an update on the native nav address situation, it was user error! It actually splits the address out into town, street and house number and starts you in town, so I just started typing and of course was actually only getting towns. If you click into street first it has the full Irish dB. All a little Heath Robinson but it does work.

Re the live traffic, that is great news. There is actually a Kia app to establish a hotspot, must give that a try to see if it will automate the hotspot startup when you get in the car.

Finally, a pic, the car charging today down at Clontarf dart station...

deegs

Well wear! Looking Sharp, hopefully getting mine tomorrow!

ewj1978

I'm also about to jump on the e-soul bandwagon. Just waiting for the finance approval.
Some people's wishes of a few used cars in a couple of years might be coming to fruition.

AMKC

Phibsboro wrote: »

Just an update on the native nav address situation, it was user error! It actually splits the address out into town, street and house number and starts you in town, so I just started typing and of course was actually only getting towns. If you click into street first it has the full Irish dB. All a little Heath Robinson but it does work.

Re the live traffic, that is great news. There is actually a Kia app to establish a hotspot, must give that a try to see if it will automate the hotspot startup when you get in the car.

Finally, a pic, the car charging today down at Clontarf dart station...

Thats looks very very nice. Love the colour. Looks great. Well wear. Hope you get many miles of exciting, reliable motoring in your your cool new car.

peposhi

Phibsboro wrote: »

Picked it yesterday, Murphy's Law the sales guy missed getting it on to the (only!) charger they have that morning so it was at about 200 km. Not the end of the world, I do very little mileage. In better news, it did come with a granny! Ordered a multi-mode Wall Pod from the UK (as I also wanted a 3-pin socket out the front for maintenance/Xmas lights etc) - https://evonestop.co.uk/collections/home-charging-range/products/wallpod-ev-multi-mode-type-2-tethered-cable-5m?variant=40494204932

Also ordered the two safety options, not really sure I needed those tbh (the DC monitoring thing and the earth module).

Had a bit of a run around today, I love it! Such a lovely drive, so smooth. The smart cruise control is gas, you can basically drive in stop/start traffic by just clicking the button to restart, no need to accelerate or brake. The screen is amazing, Android Auto set up no problem. One thing that is bugging me is that the built in nav doesn't seem to have the Irish address database - it doesn't have any detailed addresses at all (though it knew, say, Marino). It also doesn't seem to take a start nav address via voice. Nor does it seem to have live traffic for Ireland (though I'm not sure it can even access the internet via a connected phone, it seems to only offer a wifi connection). All of that wouldn't normally bother me as I've never seen a built in nav that can better Android Auto but the one thing you miss out on using AA (or CarPlay) is getting the next directions in the HUD, which is pretty cool

Have it on the granny at the moment, I was down to about 160 when I plugged it in earlier and it was saying approx 24hrs to full, which is fair enough.

How long did the grant approval take? I’m waiting more than two weeks now for mine...

ewj1978

Finance approved, I'm also now just waiting on the grant application.

peposhi

ewj1978 wrote: »

Finance approved, I'm also now just waiting on the grant application.

Supercool!
What colour did you pick?

ewj1978

Blue.

Mickeroo

Well wear, similar to i3 the looks of these are slowly growing on me What's the price on the road everyone's getting?

Are these working out a bit cheaper than the Niro?

peposhi

Can’t wait to get mine! I’ve a feeling it’s going to be Wednesday (I believe the Force is with me)

peposhi

Mickeroo wrote: »

Well wear, similar to i3 the looks of these are slowly growing on me What's the price on the road everyone's getting?

Are these working out a bit cheaper than the Niro?

Slightly cheaper. E-Niro is a bigger car even though it does not look like when you have them side by side

ewj1978

Niros a bit longer, definitely a bigger boot but the inside of the soul is a nicer place to be.
Sat in a niro with my dad, his first words were "ugh, plasticky"
Sat in the soul, no comment from the grumpy bollocks.
Soul is 2k cheaper than the niro.
OTR it's 38,745-40k depending on which dealer, so don't be afraid to ring around.

Phibsboro

peposhi wrote: »

How long did the grant approval take? I’m waiting more than two weeks now for mine...

Well it was within the week, I submitted it on Monday and got the approval in the post on Thursday I think it was.

Old diesel

The since deleted Fine Gael twitter video about Fianna Fails "lack of ideas" had an eSoul pass by while it was being filmed.

peposhi

Phibsboro wrote: »

Well it was within the week, I submitted it on Monday and got the approval in the post on Thursday I think it was.

Hmm... I wonder why mine takes longer than that... would it be because of some January surge of EV purchases?

deegs

Here are two shots of my soul. Notice the length and size in relation to outlander. Decievingly big car!

peposhi

deegs wrote: »

Here are two shots of my soul. Notice the length and size in relation to outlander. Decievingly big car!

The e-soul looks seriously angry

Mikethehacker

I have my 64kwh Soul since August, so far so good, does anyone have any update on when we will get the UVo Connect app?

ewj1978

Aye, was going to come on and ask what apps will I need? Does Kia even have an App? how good is it etc?

Mikethehacker

There is a UVO app for the Kia E Soul which is available in a number of European countries and the States, Kia say on their website that it will be available in Ireland from January 2020 but no word yet

peposhi

The dealer said today ours is at stage 3 of grant approval, whatever that means...


Found this:
https://www.seai.ie/grants/electric-vehicle-grants/dealers-ev-grant-scheme/Grant-Flow-Process-Rev-02.pdf

paulers06

peposhi wrote: »

The dealer said today ours is at stage 3 of grant approval, whatever that means...


Found this:
https://www.seai.ie/grants/electric-vehicle-grants/dealers-ev-grant-scheme/Grant-Flow-Process-Rev-02.pdf

I spoke to our Kia dealer on a Friday about a Niro and we were at stage 3. No sign of approval yet 😩.

peposhi

She’s home

ewj1978

Well wear

ewj1978

Car signed for and collected today.
Lovely thing to drive.
The self driving bit is freaky at first but excellent when you get to know it. Caught me out at the first slip it tried to take on the motorway.

Is there an easy way to disable LKAS when in B roads?
And how do I get it to remember to turn on with level 3 regen not level 1?

peposhi

ewj1978 wrote: »

Car signed for and collected today.
Lovely thing to drive.
The self driving bit is freaky at first but excellent when you get to know it. Caught me out at the first slip it tried to take on the motorway.

Is there an easy way to disable LKAS when in B roads?
And how do I get it to remember to turn on with level 3 regen not level 1?

Excellent car!! Same colour as mine

To select your preferred recuperation level on any of the modes (Eco, Normal, Sport) you need to go to Settings (scroll the main screen all the way to the right) and in Vehicle you’d find all these. You could also select Eco or Normal function for you climate control in those driving modes...
Bear in mind with Level 2 recuperation the brake lights come on almost instantly.

You can disable the LKAS from the top centre button on the dash behind the right hand side of the steering wheel, just above the blind spot assistant button...

peposhi

http://webmanual.kia.com/PREM_GEN5/AVNT/RJ/KOR/English/uvo002.html

UVO app info

ewj1978

peposhi wrote: »

http://webmanual.kia.com/PREM_GEN5/AVNT/RJ/KOR/English/uvo002.html

UVO app info

But is it available in Ireland yet?
Is it a subscription based service?

ewj1978

ewj1978 wrote: »

Car signed for and collected today.
Lovely thing to drive.
The self driving bit is freaky at first but excellent when you get to know it. Caught me out at the first slip it tried to take on the motorway.

Well wear, great colour too !

peposhi

ewj1978 wrote: »

But is it available in Ireland yet?
Is it a subscription based service?

Nope. The dealer did not even know about it when I asked...
It's on their website that it was coming to Europe in 2020