Saoradh dissident republican march in Dublin

Farawayhome

Tomas81 wrote: »

Any proof to say otherwise?

When you ask for proof:

_Brian

bilston wrote: »

I had this conversation with a Dublin taxi driver recently. He said he took a fare all the way up to Belfast and got lost and ended up in a Loyalist estate and was very nervous.

The reality is people with southern accents would be absolutely fine in Loyalist areas and people from Loyalist areas will be absolutely fine in Republican areas.

I'm sure there are places where the PSNI still have to tread carefully. The Creggan being a prime example.

I imagine Northern Ireland is a much safer place to be than London

We spend allot of time on he north through sport, most weekends.

Just in the last year I was stopped at traffic lights in a small town, a guy made his way over to my open window and said with southern reg car I wouldn’t be welcome staying about tue town and should move on, man in his 40’s not some yobbo.

More recently our car was parked along a street overnight, only southern car in a row and it was vandalised.

A friend stopped for lunch with his wife and two kids, stopped a man in the street and asked to a bar showing the soccer and serving food, he was told he’d be better go back to the free state and eat there.

If you think everything in the north is antlything but simmering just under a shallow surface appearance of peace then your being very foolish.

Interacting with individuals across all areas and you see the subtle tells, they won’t ask your religion but there are conversational queues they use be that football, Irish dancing, among others. It’s something they want to know about others.

Peace in the north is fragile, very fragile.

Tomas81

Farawayhome wrote: »

When you ask for proof:

I asked for proof 2 pages ago, poster admitted he had exaggerated I am waiting for proof that the provisional IRA is still operating.

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/25th-IMC-Rpt

According to the IMC reports they are commited to peace, have broken down their rank and file structures.

Seth Brundle

Farawayhome wrote: »

Unionists just targetted civilians, they were terrorists. The British security forces also targetted civilians but occasionally fought the PIRA, the PIRA mostly stuck with military targets. That's the difference set out for you.

The loyalists were terrorists.
The British army at times were terrorists.
The IRA were terrorists.
Why are you trying to pretend it was something else when everyone knows what it was?

Tomas81

_Brian wrote: »

We spend allot of time on he north through sport, most weekends.

Just in the last year I was stopped at traffic lights in a small town, a guy made his way over to my open window and said with southern reg car I wouldn’t be welcome staying about tue town and should move on, man in his 40’s not some yobbo.

More recently our car was parked along a street overnight, only southern car in a row and it was vandalised.

If you think everything in the north is antlything but simmering just under a shallow surface appearance of peace then your being very foolish.

Interacting with individuals across all areas and you see the subtle tells, they won’t ask your religion but there are conversational queues they use be that football, Irish dancing, among others. It’s something they want to know about others.

Peace in the north is fragile, very fragile.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/loyalist-attack-on-catholic-actor-filming-in-belfast-1.442557%3fmode=amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dup-mans-tv-claim-attack-on-catholics-house-not-sectarian-while-camera-pans-past-sectarian-graffiti-was-bid-to-deescalate-situation-37171062.html

Take your pick.

Mortelaro

The bottom line here is,if Mary Lou or any political party that is in the Dáil at the moment said every night on TV that if reelected they'd rise defense spending by a few billion,buy tanks and jet fighter planes,bomb the crap out of psni stations and GB army barracks and blockade loyalist areas until all agreed to go back to Britain, what do you think would be the result?
They'd lose all their seats

That simple fact or any respect for democracy hasn't been absorbed by the groups marching O'Connell street at Easter sympathetic to the 'new' IRA

The funniest thing I saw was how beer bellied and frankly out of shape a lot of the marchers were,Army how are ya

In fact a caption under one of the photos on Twitter summed it up "The men behind the FRYER"

Utter Consternation

Mortelaro wrote: »

The bottom line here is,if Mary Lou or any political party that is in the Dáil at the moment said every night on TV that if reelected they'd rise defense spending by a few billion,buy tanks and jet fighter planes,bomb the crap out of psni stations and GB army barracks and blockade loyalist areas until all agreed to go back to Britain, what do you think would be the result?
They'd lose all their seats

That simple fact or any respect for democracy hasn't been absorbed by the groups marching O'Connell street at Easter sympathetic to the 'new' IRA

The funniest thing I saw was how beer bellied and frankly out of shape a lot of the marchers were,Army how are ya

In fact a caption under one of the photos on Twitter summed it up "The men behind the FRYER"

They're an absolute embarrassment, along with the rest of the barstool 'Brits out' brigade.

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

The bottom line here is,if Mary Lou or any political party that is in the Dáil at the moment said every night on TV that if reelected they'd rise defense spending by a few billion,buy tanks and jet fighter planes,bomb the crap out of psni stations and GB army barracks and blockade loyalist areas until all agreed to go back to Britain, what do you think would be the result?
They'd lose all their seats

Why would they (SF) advocate that? They have gotten the British to say that they have no strategic interest in Ireland and that it is for the people of Ireland to decide it's future.
If the last 20 years says anything, it is that the IRA have gotten sufficient for them to cease operations.
It was never the IRA's or indeed the SF's intention to cleanse Ireland of unionists or loyalists as far as I know, but I may have missed that. Do you have a link/proof?

Farawayhome

Seth Brundle wrote: »

The loyalists were terrorists.
The British army at times were terrorists.
The IRA were terrorists.
Why are you trying to pretend it was something else when everyone knows what it was?

The stats back up what I'm saying.

Unionists - 85% of those they killed were civilians.
British army - 51% of those they killed were civilians
PIRA - 31% of those they killed were civilians

Tomas81

http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/troubles/troubles_stats.html

Seth Brundle

Farawayhome wrote: »

The stats back up what I'm saying.

Unionists - 85% of those they killed were civilians.
British army - 51% of those they killed were civilians
PIRA - 31% of those they killed were civilians

Oh I'm sorry - so that 31% choose to be murdered?
Did relations of mine ask for the IRA to threaten their property unless they gave money to the IRA?
Would you go and ****e with your attempt to say that the IRA weren't terrorists? How many innocent civilians that didn't choose to be involved in your campaign are behind those statistics?

Tomas81

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Oh I'm sorry - so that 31% choose to be murdered?
Did relations of mine ask for the IRA to threaten their property unless they gave money to the IRA?
Would you go and ****e with your attempt to say that the IRA weren't terrorists? How many innocent civilians that didn't choose to be involved in your campaign are behind those statistics?

Your relations were asked for money by the IRA?

Farawayhome

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Oh I'm sorry - so that 31% choose to be murdered?
Did relations of mine ask for the IRA to threaten their property unless they gave money to the IRA?
Would you go and ****e with your attempt to say that the IRA weren't terrorists? How many innocent civilians that didn't choose to be involved in your campaign are behind those statistics?

I never said that the PIRA were angels. They did some horrible things. What I'm saying is that they mostly stuck with military targets, the stats back that up.
The stats also show that the British side were the terrorists. They targetted innocent people. They killed over 1,000 civilians.

Creol1

blanch152 wrote: »

That is so last century thinking.

There are so many more important things in life and in the world than whether this country is 26 or 32 counties big.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/local_and_regional_government/local_authorities.html

Given that we now have 31 local authorities, would splitting Tipperary again make you happy?

The current county boundaries were drawn by the British. Something nationalists tend to forget.

Creol1

Tomas81 wrote: »

I asked for proof 2 pages ago, poster admitted he had exaggerated I am waiting for proof that the provisional IRA is still operating.

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/25th-IMC-Rpt

According to the IMC reports they are commited to peace, have broken down their rank and file structures.

That link dates back to 2010. However, as recently as 2015 the killing of ex-PIRA member Kevin McGuigan was linked to the PIRA by the PSNI.

They have decommissioned but they have never dissolved and there is no proof their basic structures have been stood down.

Dick phelan

Bad as their views are i think they have a right to march, unless i'm mistaken they are not designated as a terrorist organization?

Unless they are carrying illegal firearms or engaging in some other illegal activity i don't see a legal basis to stop somebody marching down a public road wearing some military style clothes

mosstin

Dick phelan wrote: »

Bad as their views are i think they have a right to march, unless i'm mistaken they are not designated as a terrorist organization?

Unless they are carrying illegal firearms or engaging in some other illegal activity i don't see a legal basis to stop somebody marching down a public road wearing some military style clothes

Whatever the entitlement to march, most of those lads looked like they needed a brisk walk or two anyway, no?

EmmetSpiceland

I find a lot of this “online” support baffling.

I mean, what sort of person, in this day and age, would defend and support groups such as these??

Yermande

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I find a lot of this “online” support baffling.

I mean, what sort of person, in this day and age, would defend and support groups such as these??

Idiots.

mosstin

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I find a lot of this “online” support baffling.

I mean, what sort of person, in this day and age, would defend and support groups such as these??

Ben Dunne Gyms?

JohnnyFlash

Someone or something like this one would imagine, Emmet.

_Brian

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I find a lot of this “online” support baffling.

I mean, what sort of person, in this day and age, would defend and support groups such as these??

There’s an element out there wearing tin foil hats and waiting for every group that come along to “stick it to the man”.

They don’t care if it’s water charges, repossessions, unionists, nationalists, doctors nurses or guards. They just want to be seen to be anti something organised.

These are the people falling over themselves to support this nonsense.

Timberrrrrrrr

Tomas81 wrote: »

If you take on a uniform of police force or armed forces in a partitioned country you need to be aware you will be attacked. It is inevitable.

So it would have been ok to open fire on the idiots marching down oconnell st last week as they were in "uniform"?

EmmetSpiceland

Yermande wrote: »

Idiots.

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking too, Y.

mosstin wrote: »

Ben Dunne Gyms?

Not following, M. Is it something to do with criminality and people getting shot outside those type of gyms?

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Someone or something like this one would imagine, Emmet.

Jesus, Johnny, that made me laugh out loud here. Proper belly laugh. From being on here that’s exactly the type I’d picture. Very good.

_Brian wrote: »

There’s an element out there wearing tin foil hats and waiting for every group that come along to “stick it to the man”.

They don’t care if it’s water charges, repossessions, unionists, nationalists, doctors nurses or guards. They just want to be seen to be anti something organised.

These are the people falling over themselves to support this nonsense.

That’s just sad, Brian. Just professional protesters with nothing better to do with their time. Losers.

FrancieBrady

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I find a lot of this “online” support baffling.

I mean, what sort of person, in this day and age, would defend and support groups such as these??

It's all very easy to dismiss support for these groups.

But I was suprised to hear a security expert on radio this morning say that they have support in Derry in the 1000 people range. Admittedly Derry is at centre of this as it was in 69 but if that is even gotten close to across the province that is support that can do damage.
For those of us along the border who clearly remember the conflict/war these are worrying times.

Farawayhome

The British army presence is a problem. They are stoking the tensions. Knowing how they behaved in the past, not only the murders but the intimidation and beatings they handed out, they are not looked upon favourably by any Nationalist but especially by those in Derry. Them throwing their weight around will only increase support for these groups like the New IRA.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why would they (SF) advocate that? They have gotten the British to say that they have no strategic interest in Ireland and that it is for the people of Ireland to decide it's future.

You miss my point
I'm not saying they'd be stupid to advocate that
I said any party
My point is the only voters they'd have left is a few hundred of the 'new' IRA crowd because they'd love it
They haven't got the memo on democracy yet

If the last 20 years says anything, it is that the IRA have gotten sufficient for them to cease operations.
It was never the IRA's or indeed the SF's intention to cleanse Ireland of unionists or loyalists as far as I know, but I may have missed that. Do you have a link/proof?

Sigh,there are about 1 million Brits in NI,so I'd imagine you know,they take offense at the Brits out and enemy forces lingo used by anyone really
Its a by the by anyway as my example was to say putting shooting psni to the vote wouldn't win many votes

James Brown

_Brian wrote: »

There’s an element out there wearing tin foil hats and waiting for every group that come along to “stick it to the man”.

They don’t care if it’s water charges, repossessions, unionists, nationalists, doctors nurses or guards. They just want to be seen to be anti something organised.

These are the people falling over themselves to support this nonsense.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. You're dismissing genuine people with genuine issues because you may not agree with them.
I think shooting some young journalist dead, even by mistake, wouldn't be filled under 'sticking it to the man'.

Tomas81

Creol1 wrote: »

That link dates back to 2010. However, as recently as 2015 the killing of ex-PIRA member Kevin McGuigan was linked to the PIRA by the PSNI.

They have decommissioned but they have never dissolved and there is no proof their basic structures have been stood down.

Then where is the proof their basic structures havent been stood down

EmmetSpiceland

Matt Barrett wrote: »

genuine people with genuine issues

Genuine issues?? Jesus wept.

Have they also got “genuine” aims of bringing back daily bombings, punishment beatings and hundreds of civilians deaths?

Or have they “genuine” concerns over who controls the drug trade and other criminal rackets?

Tomas81

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So it would have been ok to open fire on the idiots marching down oconnell st last week as they were in "uniform"?

Again.... read my posts saoradh aren't republicans they are crims.

rosser44

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's all very easy to dismiss support for these groups.

But I was suprised to hear a security expert on radio this morning say that they have support in Derry in the 1000 people range.

So about 1% of the population, in a republican stronghold???

Ya, a force to be reckoned with. /s

Timberrrrrrrr

Tomas81 wrote: »

Again.... read my posts saoradh aren't republicans they are crims.

They identify as republicans wether you agree or not, all scrotes in my eyes, hopefully next time they try a stunt like this a few hundred people will walk alongside them with large sheets blocking them off from decent folk.

Farawayhome

Farawayhome wrote: »

The British army presence is a problem. They are stoking the tensions. Knowing how they behaved in the past, not only the murders but the intimidation and beatings they handed out, they are not looked upon favourably by any Nationalist but especially by those in Derry. Them throwing their weight around will only increase support for these groups like the New IRA.

Can you not tell the difference between the police and the army?

It’s not difficult.

Farawayhome

Aegir wrote: »

Can you not tell the difference between the police and the army?

It’s not difficult.

So the British army were not there?

BBFAN

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. You're dismissing genuine people with genuine issues because you may not agree with them.
I think shooting some young journalist dead, even by mistake, wouldn't be filled under 'sticking it to the man'.

Ah come on Matt, I have the utmost respect for your posts most of the time. But I can also recognise that there is definitely an element out there who will support anything simply because they have no lives.

If you listen regularly to radio you'll notice these guys. They are regular callers to every single radio station so they've obviously nothing else to do with their day.

It's sad but true that these people are just looking for somewhere to belong, company or attention.

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

You miss my point
I'm not saying they'd be stupid to advocate that
I said any party
My point is the only voters they'd have left is a few hundred of the 'new' IRA crowd because they'd love it
They haven't got the memo on democracy yet

Sigh,there are about 1 million Brits in NI,so I'd imagine you know,they take offense at the Brits out and enemy forces lingo used by anyone really
Its a by the by anyway as my example was to say putting shooting psni to the vote wouldn't win many votes

Your point, if there is one, makes zero sense to me.

What about these groups says they are looking for votes?

Seth Brundle

Tomas81 wrote: »

Your relations were asked for money by the IRA?

No no no. The IRA didn't ask them for money.
The IRA *told* them that if they didn't pay towards the cause their shop would be burnt down.

Farawayhome wrote: »

I never said that the PIRA were angels. They did some horrible things. What I'm saying is that they mostly stuck with military targets, the stats back that up.
The stats also show that the British side were the terrorists. They targetted innocent people. They killed over 1,000 civilians.

You tried to suggest that they weren't terrorists.
Which they most definitely were!

FrancieBrady

rosser44 wrote: »

So about 1% of the population, in a republican stronghold???

Ya, a force to be reckoned with. /s

The poster was talking about handfuls of people. It is sadly much more than that and the really scary thing is that those numbers are growing not decreasing. As is evidenced by the ramping up of incidents.

timthumbni

Of course violent republicans have a history in Londonderry for shooting 29 year old woman.

Joanne Mathers was a 29 year old Protestant woman who the IRA shot dead on someone’s doorstep as she committed the ghastly crime in the eyes of weirdo bloodthirsty republicans of taking a census. She was the mother of a one year old baby.

Again perhaps the laughable so called green book or whatever it’s called needs updated. This latest rebranding of the Ira appears to be following the same path of insane violence with bomb and bullet that the provies did a few years back so maybe they are using the old provo textbook.

All with the same sad, predictable outcome. Not of anything being united of course but the exact opposite.

Tomas81

Seth Brundle wrote: »

No no no. The IRA didn't ask them for money.
The IRA *told* them that if they didn't pay towards the cause their shop would be burnt down.


You tried to suggest that they weren't terrorists.
Which they most definitely were!

Where did this allegedly happen Seth?

Farawayhome

Seth Brundle wrote: »

No no no. The IRA didn't ask them for money.
The IRA *told* them that if they didn't pay towards the cause their shop would be burnt down.


You tried to suggest that they weren't terrorists.
Which they most definitely were!

Did you not read any of the stats I gave you? They clearly targetted military personnel and those involved in the war. There were times when they retaliated to the sectarian murders of the British side, they should never have stooped to this level.
Obviously, war is horrible and civilians always die but for the British side to kill such a high percentage of innocents shows that they were the terrorists.

FrancieBrady

timthumbni wrote: »

Of course violent republicans have a history in Londonderry for shooting 29 year old woman.

Joanne Mathers was a 29 year old Protestant woman who the IRA shot dead on someone’s doorstep as she committed the ghastly crime in the eyes of weirdo bloodthirsty republicans of taking a census. She was the mother of a one year old baby.

Again perhaps the laughable so called green book or whatever it’s called needs updated. This latest rebranding of the Ira appears to be following the same path of insane violence with bomb and bullet that the provies did a few years back so maybe they are using the old provo textbook.

All with the same sad, predictable outcome. Not of anything being united of course but the exact opposite.

If anyone can exploit the death of an innocent it would be you Tim.

James Brown

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Genuine issues?? Jesus wept.

Have they also got “genuine” aims of bringing back daily bombings, punishment beatings and hundreds of civilians deaths?

Or have they “genuine” concerns over who controls the drug trade and other criminal rackets?

Did you even read the post I was responding to or mine? He listed every protest under the sun as just being about sticking it to the man, (water, repossessions, Garda, Nurses). And I spoke on these shams separately that I wouldn't put them in the category of 'sticking it to the man'. Get your act together.

BBFAN wrote: »

Ah come on Matt, I have the utmost respect for your posts most of the time. But I can also recognise that there is definitely an element out there who will support anything simply because they have no lives.

If you listen regularly to radio you'll notice these guys. They are regular callers to every single radio station so they've obviously nothing else to do with their day.

It's sad but true that these people are just looking for somewhere to belong, company or attention.

Yes, I'm sure some have nothing better to do, but it's a bullsh*t argument. We can say the same about literally everything. Some go to FG meetings because they like being a busy body, not the politics, some join the army because they want to wear a uniform not defend the country and so on. It's pointless.

Timberrrrrrrr

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If anyone can exploit the death of an innocent it would be you Tim.

And if anyone can defend it or make an excuse for it it's you frankie.

batgoat

Farawayhome wrote: »

So the British army were not there?

An innocent woman was murdered by the New Ira, maybe cop on and stop treating her as collateral damage. The British are not those at fault for what happened. I hope those responsible are put away for a very long time.

James Brown

timthumbni wrote: »

Of course violent republicans have a history in Londonderry for shooting 29 year old woman.

Joanne Mathers was a 29 year old Protestant woman who the IRA shot dead on someone’s doorstep as she committed the ghastly crime in the eyes of weirdo bloodthirsty republicans of taking a census. She was the mother of a one year old baby.

Again perhaps the laughable so called green book or whatever it’s called needs updated. This latest rebranding of the Ira appears to be following the same path of insane violence with bomb and bullet that the provies did a few years back so maybe they are using the old provo textbook.

All with the same sad, predictable outcome. Not of anything being united of course but the exact opposite.

You should really proof read before you post. So many inaccuracies.

FrancieBrady

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And if anyone can defend it or make an excuse for it it's you frankie.

I condemned it and I am totally against dissident activity.

Timberrrrrrrr

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I condemned it and I am totally against dissident activity.

And yet you have been making excuses for them, yeah..... you're totally against it

Farawayhome

batgoat wrote: »

An innocent woman was murdered by the New Ira, maybe cop on and stop treating her as collateral damage. The British are not those at fault for what happened. I hope those responsible are put away for a very long time.

There's no one condoning the murder of Lyra! No one wants a return to violence. The presence of the British army is a threat to that. This needs to be questioned. Why are they there?