Saoradh dissident republican march in Dublin

Tomas81

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Link?

Incase you are incapable of researching,

http://saoradh.ie/the-death-of-lyra-mckee-in-derry-saoradh-statement/?fbclid=IwAR3DQEvk7eN2zXjjRW6-hFBC5op_Vx7kekzarurFU6ERRczUqP42q-zvXTg

During this attack on the community, a Republican Volunteer attempted to defend people from the PSNI/RUC. Tragically a young journalist covering the events, Lyra McKee, was killed accidentally while standing behind armed Crown Force personnel and armoured vehicles.

2011

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There will be no peace in Ireland until we deal with partition.

But partition has been dealt with in the most democratic way possible quite some time ago with the GFA.

Besides, I’m sure you are not deluded enough to believe that removal of the border would somehow be accepted peacefully by all.

Dyr

2011 wrote: »

Besides, I’m sure you are not deluded enough to believe that removal of the border would somehow be accepted peaceful by all factions of unionism.

But you're hypocritical enough to okay with a violent minority once their behaviour suits your book:o

K.Flyer

o1s1n wrote: »

Gotta love the way a few of the guys at the front are wearing British DPM camo jackets.

I was looking at that myself and thought could they really have made such a cokcup to be out wearing British Army Surplus DPM.
So I checked, and of All the uniforms in the world to use, they Are wearing British Army.

iebamm2580

Tomas81 wrote: »

Incase you are incapable of researching,

http://saoradh.ie/the-death-of-lyra-mckee-in-derry-saoradh-statement/?fbclid=IwAR3DQEvk7eN2zXjjRW6-hFBC5op_Vx7kekzarurFU6ERRczUqP42q-zvXTg

During this attack on the community, a Republican Volunteer attempted to defend people from the PSNI/RUC. Tragically a young journalist covering the events, Lyra McKee, was killed accidentally while standing behind armed Crown Force personnel and armoured vehicles.

That does not mention anywhere that Saoradh are responsible for her death.

riffmongous

K.Flyer wrote: »

I was looking at that myself and thought could they really have made such a cokcup to be out wearing British Army Surplus DPM.
So I checked, and of All the uniforms in the world to use, they Are wearing British Army.

Because it's traditionally been the easiest to acquire, it's use is nothing new

2011

Bambi wrote: »

But you're hypocritical enough to okay with a violent minority once their behaviour suits your book:o

B0ll0cks
I’m not ok with any violence from either side.

2011

K.Flyer wrote: »

I was looking at that myself and thought could they really have made such a cokcup to be out wearing British Army Surplus DPM.
So I checked, and of All the uniforms in the world to use, they Are wearing British Army

The Irish army have their own camouflaged pattern.

Dyr

2011 wrote: »

B0ll0cks
I’m not ok with any violence from either side.

Violent loyalists arent an argument against the removal of the border as per the terms in the GFA then,but there you are using it.

As you say: Bollocks

riffmongous

2011 wrote: »

The Irish army have their own camouflaged pattern.

It's not available surplus iirc, for this very reason

theguzman

I don't agree with them or their politics but they have the right to exist, right to march and right to be heard. We cannot go down the slippery road of a dictatorship trying to ban those we don't agree with. Just ignore and forget about it.

We are at the very beginning now but unless the Irish Government takes strong and unequivocal action to force the Assembly in Northern Ireland to reopen then I think it is inevitable that Republican Militarism will soon spread and a campaign of fighting start all over again. Leo Varadkar and his ilk make me sick, they really don't care about the North and their continued attempts to ignore it will only stoke the hornets nest even more. There needs to be more dialogue with action.

Why are these marches happening? Because the Good Friday Agreement has been implemented and is now effectively dead, Northern Ireland still remains under British rule and every Irish man should have a duty to bring about a totally peaceful reunification using democratic means only. There can be no return to the past of fighting but our Govt here and in Westminster have turned their backs and are opening the door for these groups. They won't be silenced or censored as history has proven many times, they want to be martyred to further the cause.

What is needed is dialouge, reopen the assembly and hold new elections and let these guys run and see if the people choose their ways or the way of peace. IF you shut them down and ban them then you let them win.

2011

Bambi wrote: »

Violent loyalists arent an argument against the removal of the border as per the terms in the GFA then,but there you are using it.

Correct, I never suggested otherwise. I was responding to a post that seemed to suggest that violence would cease if partition were to end.

K.Flyer

riffmongous wrote: »

Because it's traditionally been the easiest to acquire, it's use is nothing new

You can get almost any DPM you want easily online, plenty of different types out there. Just seems a bit ironic for them to be wearing the uniform of the people they deem to be their foe.

2011

riffmongous wrote: »

It's not available surplus iirc, for this very reason

Yes but plenty of camouflaged patterns other than British are.

Tomas81

iebamm2580 wrote: »

That does not mention anywhere that Saoradh are responsible for her death.

Ok- I am going to go into a little bit of back story cause you clearly don't know it. On the founding of Saoradh Davy Jordan said the NIRA was the republican army. Saoradh then released a statement making excuses for the "Republican volunteer" who shot Lyra. JD is a member of Saoradh through his own admissions, JD was also seen 11 minutes before the shooter emerged in his unique clothing in the same unique clothing.

Unless a Saoradh member is now joining another armed subversive group while sharing political aspirations of Saoradh, It's fairly easy to work out what is the situation.

K.Flyer

2011 wrote: »

The Irish army have their own camouflaged pattern.

Which is illegal to wear here unless you are a member of the Irish Forces.

NasserShammaz

K.Flyer wrote: »

I was looking at that myself and thought could they really have made such a cokcup to be out wearing British Army Surplus DPM.
So I checked, and of All the uniforms in the world to use, they Are wearing British Army.

Whoever did the ordering will be getting a slap, gob****es.

Can someone organise a parade of about 500 people dressed up as cartoon characters and super hero's with a band faux military marching and of course someone dressed as a twat shouting at the front in Irish 1 2 3 in a military fashion

Aparentlt you don't need a permit. (Yet)

2011

K.Flyer wrote: »

Which is illegal to wear here unless you are a member of the Irish Forces.

Very true. My point is that there are other camo patterns to choose from. It struck me as odd that they selected a British camouflaged pattern.

K.Flyer

2011 wrote: »

Very true. My point is that there are other camo patterns to choose from. It struck me as odd thy they selected a British camouflaged pattern.

Totally Agreed, a bizarre choice imo.

2011

K.Flyer wrote: »

Totally Agreed, a bizarre choice imo.

You could be forgiven for thinking that they are not the “sharpest knife in the drawer”......

Tomas81

K.Flyer wrote: »

Totally Agreed, a bizarre choice imo.

British army camo is Multi terrain pattern. The one used by Saoradh wasn't multi terrain.

2011

Tomas81 wrote: »

British army camo is Multi terrain pattern. The one used by Saoradh wasn't multi terrain.

I actually had one just like the ones Saoradh wore.
It is definitely British army issue.

Tomas81

2011 wrote: »

I actually had one just like the ones Saoradh wore.
It is definitely British army issue.

Well I'm telling you factually it's not British army issue.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Terrain_Pattern

Tomas81

For clarity Marpat is the camo used by Saoradh

K.Flyer

Tomas81 wrote: »

British army camo is Multi terrain pattern. The one used by Saoradh wasn't multi terrain.

Current B.A. camo is M.T.
What they were wearing was the older B.A. camo.

2011

Tomas81 wrote: »

Well I'm telling you factually it's not British army issue.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Terrain_Pattern

Look closely you have linked to a different (but very similar) pattern.


https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/saoradh-march-dublin-1916-4601544-Apr2019/%3famp=1

Tomas81

2011 wrote: »

Look closely you have linked to a different (but very similar) pattern.


https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/saoradh-march-dublin-1916-4601544-Apr2019/%3famp=1

I haven't , I was charged in a diplock court in a time gone by and one of my charges was listed as a Marpat camo uniform in suspicious circumstances

Tomas81

K.Flyer wrote: »

Current B.A. camo is M.T.
What they were wearing was the older B.A. camo.

It's not mate, but if it gives you comfort I will agree.

Vicarious Function

The fact that dark glasses is part of their uniform shows the cowards they are.

Pkiernan

2011 wrote: »

Very true. My point is that there are other camo patterns to choose from. It struck me as odd that they selected a British camouflaged pattern.

But they are British, like all the Nordies!

Tomas81

Vicarious Function wrote: »

The fact that dark glasses is part of their uniform shows the cowards they are.

Dark glasses was a funeral rig out. Commemoration was beret, high Skrim, jacket.

Funeral Glasses were added then after the facial recognition charge against Paddy McDade in Derry a few years back Glasses seemed to come compulsory to stop the Retinal ID.

Tomas81

Pkiernan wrote: »

But they are British, like all the Nordies!

Really poor attempt at trolling.

Beechwoodspark

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/lyra-mckee-s-friends-stamp-red-handprints-on-dissident-republican-office-1.3868241

Lyra’s friends have put red handprints all over saoradh’s Office to make the point that saoradh and their cowards have blood on their hands

RIP Lyra McKee

Pkiernan

Tomas81 wrote: »

Really poor attempt at trolling.

In what way in my post inaccurate?

2011

Tomas81 wrote: »

Funeral Glasses were added then after the facial recognition charge against Paddy McDade in Derry a few years back Glasses seemed to come compulsory to stop the Retinal ID.

All a bit pointless and pathetic.
I’m sure the authorities identified every one of them rapidly.

Tomas81

Pkiernan wrote: »

In what way in my post inaccurate?

Your uneducated and ignorant but I'm always here to correct with facts of course-

Irrespective of Northern Ireland's constitutional status within the United Kingdom, or part of a united Ireland, the right of "the people of Northern Ireland" to "identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both" (as well as their right to hold British or Irish citizenship or both) was recognised.

Tomas81

2011 wrote: »

All a bit pointless and pathetic.
I’m sure the authorities identified every one of them rapidly.

Totally agree mate, it's an ego trip is all. Saoradh are scumbags, they leadership is built on informers.

K.Flyer

Tomas81 wrote: »

For clarity Marpat is the camo used by Saoradh

Nope, MarPat is a very different style of camo, do a quick search and you will see the difference.
It's more "digital" looking as the colours are made up of small little block pieces.

Tomas81

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/lyra-mckee-s-friends-stamp-red-handprints-on-dissident-republican-office-1.3868241

Lyra’s friends have put red handprints all over saoradh’s Office to make the point that saoradh and their cowards have blood on their hands

Would ya look at the rejects standing in front of the protesters trying to the defend the office, 2 out of the 4 were thrown out of Sinn Fein years ago for robbing money on the prisoners. Great lads indeed.

Tomas81

K.Flyer wrote: »

Nope, MarPat is a very different style of camo, do a quick search and you will see the difference.
It's more "digital" looking as the colours are made up of small little block pieces.

Haha ok the CPS and the State prosecutor must of been wrong in my trial that I was subsequently found guilty of.

2011

Tomas81 wrote: »

Haha ok the CPS and the State prosecutor must of been wrong in my trial that I was subsequently found guilty of.

So you agree with me?

Tomas81

K.Flyer wrote: »

Nope, MarPat is a very different style of camo, do a quick search and you will see the difference.
It's more "digital" looking as the colours are made up of small little block pieces.

What you have listed in pics is Marpat Scale camo.

Tomas81

2011 wrote: »

So you agree with me?

No I don't.

2011

Tomas81 wrote: »

No I don't.

I can live with that

You seem to agree with me on the more important points.

Tomas81

2011 wrote: »

I can live with that

You seem to agree with me on the more important points.

I agree that the murder of Lyra McKee was criminal.
I agree it was wrong.
I believe Saoradh and the NIRA are not republicans.
I believe JD was the gunman and will be sacrificed by his leadership to save their own skin.

More importantly RIP Lyra McKee everything else is irrelevant

Pkiernan

Tomas81 wrote: »

Your uneducated and ignorant but I'm always here to correct with facts of course-

Irrespective of Northern Ireland's constitutional status within the United Kingdom, or part of a united Ireland, the right of "the people of Northern Ireland" to "identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both" (as well as their right to hold British or Irish citizenship or both) was recognised.

I'm very well educated and not at all ignorant.

You're unable to differentiate between your and you're.

Leaving aside your moronic assumption and your personal insults, these wanna be Fenian heroes are most likely signing on in the UK and therefore very, very British!

Tut, tut Paddy.

K.Flyer

Tomas81 wrote: »

What you have listed in pics is Marpat Scale camo.

It was just to demonstrate that MarPat is a "digital" style of camo.

I should have added "...something like this" to that post.

Tomas81

Pkiernan wrote: »

I'm very well educated and not at all ignorant.

You're unable to differentiate between your and you're.

Leaving aside your moronic assumption and your personal insults, these wanna be Fenian heroes are most likely signing on in the UK and therefore very, very British!

Tut, tut Paddy.

If you were very well educated you would already know the annex I posted above regarding British or Irish Identity in the north of Ireland.

You have no idea, and if we are honest your from a small country area with very little knowledge outside it. Sin é

riffmongous

K.Flyer wrote: »

You can get almost any DPM you want easily online, plenty of different types out there. Just seems a bit ironic for them to be wearing the uniform of the people they deem to be their foe.

2011 wrote: »

Yes but plenty of camouflaged patterns other than British are.

Yes but it's not like they've just started now, it's been used by various incarnations of the ira for years now, it's their 'uniform' based originally on neccessity. They won't change as it deligitimises them further by breaking their link to the past

Larbre34

There is one legitimate armed force in this Republic and thats the Defence Forces.

I have no objection to any peaceful marches (marches including hateful messages or images aren't peaceful), but no-one should be permitted to march in military fashion in military or military-esque clothing, even if it is just army surplus.

Let them wear white shirts and black trousers if they wish, they'll just look like the lounge boys union, but all headware, scarves, dark glasses and military garb that give an utterly false impression of a citizen militia or other para-military nonsense or seek to obscure marchers faces in a gathering should be confiscated on sight.

Yes, there will be talk of infringements of rights to assemble or free expression etc, but these scum cannot have it both ways. If the Dept of Justice and Gardaí don't deal with this, the next time word of such a march gets around there will be other groups there to meet and and stop them and that could turn very violent very quickly.